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Post Subject: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421628by LakerFan » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:07 AM PST
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sportsworldnewsDOTcom/articles/7639/20131215/carmelo-anthony-for-blake -griffin-trade-could-knicks-clippers-discuss-blockbuster-deal.htm

Original article is on Bleacher Report

It's all just speculation and talk between sources, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. As a Lakers fan here's my opinion.

Melo is the best scorer in the league, he can average 30 a night if he wanted to. He can score from literally anywhere on the court. Griffin on the other hand is a very entertaining player to watch with his high fly act and everything. He's developing a post game and he's not a bad finisher. He is an good rebounder that goes after all the loose balls. With that being said though, BOTH players are terrible defensively and even Chris Paul criticizes BG for that. However, it's an OK trade for both teams. Why? Clippers get an elite scorer to go with CP3 while Knicks get a good post player with plenty of upside in Griffin. New York is a great place for Griffin because he's a very exciting player to watch, while LA is a good place for Melo because he likes being with big market teams. This is coming from a Lakers fan too.

What do you guys think? I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can.

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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo to LA, Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421629by Kingkanyon » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:17 AM PST
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I don't agree with your analysis of Blake Griffen, the West is Deep when it comes to Power Forwards, almost every team has a Good to Great Big Man, so Blake would look bad on D some nights, but if we trade one of the Top 3 PF in the league for a SF who is never in great condition, who is a volume shooter and isn't really great on Defense as well then how smart would that make us. Why would anybody ever Trade a 24 year old 3x All Star, and one gets better every year. NAW.... I would SMH at a trade like that. Blake is Block Buster, but he has more game then you described, an Average Rebounder lol, you lost me with that line.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421630by david » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:17 AM PST
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I highly doubt this rumor would ever happen. Blake Griffin is as untouchable as Chris Paul pretty much, arguably even more so. Carmelo Anthony or his agent probably started this "rumor", lol.

                
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Post ID: 421631by LakerFan » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:21 AM PST
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You're right, he is a pretty good rebounder. He's a tenacious player and I respect him for that. Sorry

                
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Post ID: 421632by Kingkanyon » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:22 AM PST
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I doubt it'll happen but I heard it was thought about. The owner wants to get a good TV with Fox and I heard that he was thinking swapping BG for Melo could help, but as far as I know Blake and Cp3 and DJ are Untouchable.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421633by Clipswhit » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:24 AM PST
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I sincerely hope that the Clippers don't entertain this idea, I'd turn in my fan hood after years of toiling away in mediocrity. Drafting BG was the best thing to ever happen to the Clippers franchise. The only two I consider trading him for play the 3 reside in Miami and Oklahoma City.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421635by Steady818 » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:53 AM PST
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Something this major will not be done during the season by the clippers..

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421637by itsLuigi » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:56 AM PST
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why trade for melo when we can probably sign when he hits free agency

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421639by prokreation » Dec 17, 2013 - 03:08 AM PST
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THIS THREAD IS SO DUMB. Are you kidding me???

                
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Post ID: 421643by Silasie » Dec 17, 2013 - 05:51 AM PST
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Yes. I didn't read the OP but the title says DUMB all by itself. Melo is a big star but he is also a ball stopper. Blake is younger and has more potential, end of conversation IMO.

                
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Post ID: 421644by Heediot » Dec 17, 2013 - 05:59 AM PST
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If we also get Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. I may consider it, MAY.

                
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Post ID: 421646by Silasie » Dec 17, 2013 - 06:47 AM PST
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I don't think NY would want to do that.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421649by namzug » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:56 AM PST
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Yeah, I have stayed with the Clips through a lot as most of have; but this would be a pretty low blow. Carmelo is one of those guys that might come and go where Blake is more like Paul George and has some loyalty to the team. If we start mentioning how much Blake has helped change the culture here and made our Clips relevant, where Melo just left the Nuggets high and dry and is now willing to do it to the Knicks I'd be disappointed in any Clip fan who wouldn't pass on Melo.

From a basketball standpoint it doesn't make sense to me, we know what Melo is and he is not going to change his game anytime in the next ten years. Blake is continually improving and is already top 3 among PF's in my opinion. We have a potential Karl Malone like player, where Melo is always going to be a ball stopping scorer that can rebound well for a 3.

From a business standpoint it doesn't make sense to me, Blake has made the All-star team every year based on primarily on popularity. Blake is younger and is much easier to advertise with than Melo. Melo is only really popular amongst Basketball fans, my girl loved Blake before she ever knew anything about basketball and would have no idea who Melo is.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421650by cashdld » Dec 17, 2013 - 08:49 AM PST
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why trade blake griffin when carmelo is an expiring contract they have no leverage trade crawford,barnes, dudley, reddick and dj and 1st rounder for carmelo, chandler, shumpert, world peace and kenyon martin

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421651by clipper*joe » Dec 17, 2013 - 08:51 AM PST
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Bg, just like Marc...errr...Melo, endorses the Jordan Brand.

Bleacher report...Go figure. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_09

                
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Post ID: 421652by realbull17 » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:02 AM PST
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Sterling will NEVER trade Blake for anybody unless its Lebron

                
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Post ID: 421653by FightOnRon » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:22 AM PST
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I have been watching this team since 1989 but really die hard since maybe 1994. This would be the absolute worst move that DTS could ever make as an owner, and he has done some dumbshi* things before.

But I think if we just take last night for example,it shows Blake is a force when he needs to be and why would anyone trade away their franchise/money making/ fan favorite (listen to the cheers when 32 is introduced at every game)/ team mindset changing player for someone who may or may not decide he wants to play for us. Lakers can have Melo.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421654by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:28 AM PST
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As a Clippers fan and a Knicks fan I would hate this. Melo won't make this team better + he is older and has no upside left and as a Knicks fan I want draft picks for Melo.

Too bad the Knicks franchise is too dumb and inept to rebuild properly. Also no draft picks till 2018 or something ridiculous.

                
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Post ID: 421664by Silasie » Dec 17, 2013 - 10:38 AM PST
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Blake is a huge merchandising asset, I could see a franchise keeping him for that alone.

Maybe that is why the Lakers re-signed Kobe. They know he won't make the team win but he is probably still the biggest name in BBall outside the US.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421666by EwanB » Dec 17, 2013 - 10:55 AM PST
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nonononon. Blake is still young and improving. Even though I like where Clippers are going I don't see them winning the championship this year, and with that in mind I think it's a much better idea to hang onto Blake and pursue FA next off season. Only moves I think would make sense this year would be trading for/signing a better reserve 4/5 who can defend the post

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421667by Agent0 » Dec 17, 2013 - 10:58 AM PST
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"Chris Paul is Carmelo at a different position". No, no. I get what they are trying to imply, but their reasons for lack of success are not exactly the same. Part of Melo's problem has been the inability to consistently translate the attention he gets as a scorer to team basketball and creating good shots for the team consistently.

Also just no in general. This team is now 7th in Drtg with a proper defensive system and the 2nd best 3PT defense. There's no need for the Clippers to be making a move like this. Biggest needs are a shutdown wing defender and a very solid backup 4/5.

                
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Post ID: 421668by Flushyriver » Dec 17, 2013 - 11:00 AM PST
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I think if it was a real suggestion on the table that yes it would be "considered" just because Melo is a big enough name to consider. Heck the one for one swap for Aldridge was considered. Playing Melo at the 4 would be the dream in terms of floor-spacing, but in terms of just keeping the best deal and he best player, no way. No way ever.

How is this such a long bleacherreport article anyways? I stopped reading when I read "By giving away three players, the Clippers could also sign Lamar Odom-and perhaps he could eventually start at power forward with Anthony at the 3." Lol okay.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421669by Agent0 » Dec 17, 2013 - 11:03 AM PST
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Dream in terms of floor spacing, but what in terms of defense?

This teams next level ability is going to be because of defense, not floor spacing.

                
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Post ID: 421685by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 17, 2013 - 11:45 AM PST
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Good god what a terrible quote and a terrible article. Melo isn't even at the same level as Chris Paul and has never been the moment CP3 entered his 3rd season in the nba.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421691by BringKamanBack » Dec 17, 2013 - 12:35 PM PST
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as ridiculous as this rumor is, I would actually make that trade if I were the clippers. I'm thinking Blake's upside won't be as high as people on here think it is. Carmelo pretty much demands a double team every game, which takes pressure off CP3 -- which frees him up to be great in EVERY game.

Carmelo will also get the "cp3 bump" which shoots up his fg %, just like we've seen for matt barnes, chauncey, etc etc.

I think we'd be real contenders for the title more so with Melo than blake, I just don't think he has it in him to be a GREAT players. I think he's more an Amar'e Stoudemire...

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421696by sz123456 » Dec 17, 2013 - 12:43 PM PST
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New York has no leverage. They'd be lucky to get any big name players in return for Melo.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421698by ClipperPostman » Dec 17, 2013 - 12:53 PM PST
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What made this article dumb was that clippers are "Underwhelming".. Really?

  1. We have statistically the 2nd hardest schedule this far, if you count the road games, and the hardest if you look at our opponents record.

  2. Injuries - 3 critical injuries, including our backups - backup. I mean come on. Starting 2 guard averaging 15ppg. out.

  3. Adjusting to a new system.

  4. We've beatin the top teams in the west some twice, including the SPURS.

I'd say in spite of all this 17 -9 is pretty good. Mike smith said he thought if we could get to 17-8 during this stretch we'd be in prime position to make a run for the west.

And here we are pretty close to that.

Although this trade would be dumb for a million reasons. I just wanted to go in on that.

Good day

                
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Post ID: 421699by ClipperPostman » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:04 PM PST
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Your post just isn't true.

Let me teach you basketball 101.

  1. Carmelo has been a failure everywhere he has went. Do you know why? Because he is a scorer who needs to ball in his hands to be effective.

With a PG like chris Paul you need wings to play OFF THE BALL. Does that make sense?

  1. Carmelo demands a double team so it takes pressure off CP3 - This doesn't make any sense. Carmelo getting double teamed doesn't take any pressure of CP3 for the simple fact HE IS THE POINT GAURD.

He is not playing off the ball. CP3 is the one setting up the plays. When Wing players get double teamed it leaves the Post open. When a Post player is double teamed it leaves the Wings open. Get it?

  1. Blakes upside won't be as high as people think? Again doesn't make sense. HE is a 3x all-star averaging 20-10 and hasn't reached his prime yet, and his jump shot is improving by leaps and bounds. He rebounding is tenacious. If he wasn't playing next to DJ he'd be top 3 Rebounders in the league.

  2. When is the last time a team won a championship without a great low-post player. Huh?? I'll wait... Lakers? Pau Gasol... Miami... Chris Bosh... Celtics... Kevin Garnett. Spurs... Tim Duncan

There is a reason for this in today's game. Basketball today is played inside out. Without a low post scoring threat your dead in the water.

I get where you are coming from. Maybe if this was NBA2k14 I'd agree with you. Chuck up a bunch of 3's with Melo and slash to the basket and be unstoppable.

But in the real world it doesn't work like that.

If you need any more breakdown let me know.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421700by cleepers » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:06 PM PST
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'Nuff said.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421704by tense2 » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:11 PM PST
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Ho hum....next.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421706by cashdld » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:26 PM PST
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Blake griffin and Chris Paul ceiling and worth is higher than Melo for multiple reasons. what separates them are the intangibles that they bring and the ability to make players around them better. Carmelo doesn't have that ability. Carmelo is better suited as a teams second or third player on the roster who needs a leader (player and/or coach) to direct his game and maximize his efficiency. I would not trade Griffin for Melo. But i wouldn't mind if clippers can add Melo to this team to play with Paul and Blake. And yes i know that the concerns of Melo's defense but that why we hire doc rivers right? To implement a efficient offensive and defensive system and a championship pedigree that players would respect and would buy into to his system.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421711by tense2 » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:32 PM PST
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Melo's will opt out next year and just for that friggin simple reason, why in the f#*k would you trade for him.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421713by cashdld » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:44 PM PST
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they said the same thing about Cp3 opting out and sign elsewhere but look what happened

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421715by TheDude » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:51 PM PST
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Since it's a Lakerfan starting this thread I compare it to the Lakers trading Kobe a decade ago. CP is our best player but Blake is our salvation, our identity. Not saying Blake is as good as Kobe or ever will be but he's just as valuable to our organization. There's never been a guy like him in the history of the organization and because of a lot of factors, he's one of the top 2 or 3 players in the league as far as marketing value. National games are largely scheduled before the season. I think we're 1st or 2nd in the league in that regard and obviously we are not considered the best team in the league at this point. Doc Rivers left the Boston Celtics mid-contract to be our coach. CP didn't even entertain other offers before signing a 5 year deal. Almost every player on our roster is underpaid. Our worst contract is probably Mullens and he makes less than a mil per year.

We have high character and talent. We have the best or second best coaching staff in the league. We are probably thee most desirable destination team in the entire league right now. All this starts with Blake. On paper he might not be the best PF in the game but I guarantee Minny would send KLove + picks over here if it meant getting Blake. His numbers are great but it's not all about numbers. Intangibles on court and off, make him one of the most valuable assets in the league. Melo is not in the top 10 of that list.

I trade Blake for Bron and maybe KD. Nobody else.

                
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Post ID: 421719by tense2 » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:14 PM PST
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In Melo case, I'd hope he would opt out if we were to make an incredibly stupid trade.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421720by ClipperFaithful » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:17 PM PST
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no way this trade would ever happen. i'm guessing doc isn't a fan of melo's game.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421726by CapsNClips » Dec 17, 2013 - 03:02 PM PST
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I'd rather have Luol Deng, Danny Granger or even Trevor Ariza for 1/4 of the price and still get to keep DJ and BG in the front court.

BTW I'm obviously exaggerating about them being 1/4 of the price.

                
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Post ID: 421730by BringKamanBack » Dec 17, 2013 - 03:16 PM PST
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yeah, can you breakdown how you think chris bosh is a "great low post player" ?

                
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Post ID: 421731by BringKamanBack » Dec 17, 2013 - 03:20 PM PST
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wow, i'd trade blake for Klove *if healthy* in a heartbeat. A HEARTBEAT!!

                
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Strictly from an entertainment perspective, the Knicks should trade 'melo back to Denver for Javale McGee and pieces. The combination of McGee's antics and Woodson's unmatched "WTF?" face would make the Knicks must-see-TV for me. I hope Woodson gets another job when NY cans him... that face is priceless.

                
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Post ID: 421733by CapsNClips » Dec 17, 2013 - 03:38 PM PST
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I'd never trade a POWER Forward for a Forward who has zero power and can't play defense.

K Love's great, but I don't think he's a winning PF. Zero intangibles except for his outlet passes which are cool, but I'd rather have my PF on the other end of the outlet pass 10 times out of 10.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421737by Voyeur » Dec 17, 2013 - 03:57 PM PST
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Love puts up A LOT of shots. 26 last night! And watching some of the game last night...and really every T Wolves game I've seen. So many moments where he doesn't even TRY to play defense. It's downright shocking. I mean, Blake will make mistakes on defense, but we see him put some effort.

I suppose Love can be coached to be a better defender, but ironically, that may have a negative impact on his rebounding and offensive game. After all he won't be camped out in the paint when he's defending his man at the 3 point line.

                
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Post ID: 421738by TheDude » Dec 17, 2013 - 03:58 PM PST
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If they added in 2 1st round picks I'd still laugh in their face. Ryan Gomes looked like he was worth 4mil per year when he played in Minny. He was actually $0.04 per year. That Is a loser organization with a roster that looks stacked on paper and they're below .500. And every time we go head to head with them, Blake kills him.

Same goes for Aldridge or any other PF in the game today. Would not consider it.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421740by Laak » Dec 17, 2013 - 04:08 PM PST
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How can championship contending team trade one of their key guys midway into the season? Ain't happening. That being said, I would trade BG for Love.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421741by CP3Best » Dec 17, 2013 - 04:09 PM PST
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I remember Stephen A saying a trade with Griffin would only happen if Blake kept on playing bad, But we just saw his prowess last night. So..... no trade

                
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Post ID: 421742by Dunkathon » Dec 17, 2013 - 04:12 PM PST
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Here's the thing: If we trade anyone for Melo, we would be falling into the same trap as the Knicks, who trade basically half their team to get him from the Nuggets.

If we absolutely must sign him, then it's best to wait for him to be a free agent.

In any case, I wouldn't have Melo in his current state on this team, even if he was a free agent.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421744by xldicelx » Dec 17, 2013 - 04:46 PM PST
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melo is not a championship type player..... he's proven that.... knicks are the old nuggets team (with a few missing pieces) no thank you.... waste of thread space.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421745by cashdld » Dec 17, 2013 - 04:54 PM PST
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Knicks problem is that they sign and acquire a bunch of players that thrive best witha dominant leader in a point guard and Raymond Felton isn't fitting in that roll....Melo, Amare and Tyson chandler had there best success when they had a point guard that can lead them and utilize them. Melo got his furthest in the playoffs when the nuggets got a point guard in Billups. Amare got his furthest when he had Steve Nash running point. Tyson chandler played with CP3 and dominated in pick and roll lobs. Also Tyson played with Jason Kidd on the mavericks. the pieces just don't fit on the knicks for the system they run.

                
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Post ID: 421746by wessleejr » Dec 17, 2013 - 05:06 PM PST
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exactly!! and if carmelo want to win he will come to us without losing blake, then we have a real big 3 and one half (jordan is just half sorry) Smile

                
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Post ID: 421749by toohipcliptoslip » Dec 17, 2013 - 05:40 PM PST
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On this team I'd take Jordan any day. DJ is a rebounding machine. Melo can't function unless the ball is in his hands. He would be co-second option with BG. CP is the bulldog in the pack. Unless Melo can give is 11 Reb/game No Way

If Kobe wanted to win another ring he should have signed with us at MLE Twisted Evil true but CP would run the show. Dudley for Melo. Nope not worth the tax.

How about the Lakers?

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Blake showed last night that singly covered he's unstoppable by most players. He played with an intensity I've never seen.

                
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