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Post ID: 426559by tense2 » Jan 04, 2014 - 03:47 PM PST
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Please do us and yourself a favor and stop messing with the Trade Machine. It can be dangerous for some. Razz



                
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Post ID: 426562by clippersfan85 » Jan 04, 2014 - 04:12 PM PST
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I can't believe ESPN actually put this rumor on Sportscenter. There is no way I would trade Griffin for Melo. The only player I would trade Griffin for would be Lebron. Melo doesn't have near the upside or versatility of Griffin. If Melo wants to play here he can wait until he is a free agent and have his agent work a sign and trade to the Clippers for lower pay. I truly believe we have the best chance to win this season without making major roster changes. We could use another solid backup big but aside from that we should be fine.

                
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Post ID: 426564by CapsNClips » Jan 04, 2014 - 04:17 PM PST
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But Mullens isn't even our worst player according to that awsome website. He's 12th out of our 15 players.

So I'm confused, is he our worst player or is your stats argument a little flimsy? Or is it C.) All of the above?

                
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Post ID: 426568by tense2 » Jan 04, 2014 - 04:30 PM PST
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Confused you are, lol....that goes without saying. Stick to your way of evaluating players it seems to work for you just find....simple nothing advanced Razz

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426569by tense2 » Jan 04, 2014 - 04:40 PM PST
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And for all those who think that Melo/Griffin trade might, could or should happen. Simple answer is...you're delusional.

Steve Perrin puts it best in this article:

Lost in the uncertainty and angst over Chris Paul's separated shoulder was the gem of innuendo journalism from Chris Broussard and his editors at ESPN.com about an allegedly potential trade of Carmelo Anthony of the New York Knicks for Blake Griffin of the Los Angeles Clippers. Please do not click on the link I'm about to provide you, because it will only drive up ESPN's page views, thus accomplishing their original goal. My blogger ethics require me to provide the link, but you don't have to follow it. Again, I repeat: DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK! I'll excerpt the most hilarious bits below, trust me. But don't give Chris Broussard another page view for this steaming pile of crap.

The headline itself "Sources: Melo-for-Griffin discussed" is amazingly, brilliantly misleading. Because obviously that headline is completely accurate -- at the very least, some folks at ESPN have been discussing a Melo-for-Blake trade: discussions along the lines of "It sure would generate a lot of traffic if people thought there was some possibility of a Melo-for-Blake trade."

Talking heads at ESPN like Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless have been floating this sideshow freak bit of speculation for weeks now. I've mostly ignored it for the garbage that it is, though when Nate Timmons of Denver Stiffs asked me about the rumors during a recent question-and-answer session, I felt compelled to address the situation head on:

Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony. Broussard and ESPN are now trying to take the Melo-for-Blake idea beyond idle speculation to the realm of "discussions" all according to "sources". In short, they're treating this as newsworthy, which it certainly is not. Pull at the thread even a little and the whole things begins to unravel.

First of all, by putting "Melo-for-Griffin" and the verb "discuss" together in the headline, they're clearly trying to imply that some form, any form, of discussion has occurred between the Knicks and the Clippers -- but reading the article, that's not even the case. Apparently, we're reporting here on "internal discussions", again, according to "sources."

So what would an internal Clippers' discussion of a Griffin-for-Anthony trade look like in order for Broussard's "source" to be able to say it happened?

Gary Sachs: Hey Doc, did you hear Skip Bayless talking about us trading Griffin for Anthony?

Doc Rivers: What an idiot. Discussion!

But seriously, is a trade discussion a trade discussion if the two parties haven't actually spoken to each other about it? How difficult is it to pick up the phone? Are we really reporting on trade rumors that haven't even reached the "Hey Gary, it's me Steve Mills" stage? Next Broussard is going to tell us that according to his sources a tree fell in the forest and did make a sound.

The story is so fast moving, that it was evidently over before it began, because while it's all about a trade "discussion," within 120 words we find out that the alleged discussion went nowhere, at least according to Broussard's most definitive statement about the matter:

One source close to the situation said the Clippers' latest internal discussion ended in favor of keeping Griffin. Knock me over with a feather. So glad we covered that. "We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming with this breaking news. Someone may have thought about doing something, but then decided not to. No film at 11."

Even more hilarious in all of this is the implication that the Knicks would somehow be hesitant to make this trade.

As of now, neither team is certain it would make an Anthony-for-Griffin trade, the sources said. Well, as of now, the Knicks are looking at the eventuality of Anthony becoming a free agent this summer, and he'll dictate the team he goes to for any trades before that time by his willingness to re-sign for the new team. The Knicks have a losing record and zero leverage in this situation -- the idea that they'd turn up their noses at Griffin is even more laughable than the idea that the Clippers would accept the trade.

I don't know if there's any agenda here other than ESPN wanting to generate page views. Is it possible that someone in the Knicks camp thinks talking about this will make it any more likely? Does Carmelo's team think that stories about his eventual departure will somehow improve his situation? It's difficult to say.

As for any Melo-for-Griffin discussion, I guarantee you that it will always end in a single word from the Clippers side: NO.  http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-gri ffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-joke

                
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Post ID: 426572by CapsNClips » Jan 04, 2014 - 05:23 PM PST
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That's impressive, your Basketall knowledge-to-Arrogance ratio is off the charts. Usually people who are basketball stat prodigies are usually a little arrogant, but nope not you....very very humble.

Then again my Truth-to-Sarcasm ratio isn't very good, so take it with a grain of salt.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426574by clipperharry » Jan 04, 2014 - 05:36 PM PST
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Please no trade , melo is a cancer and has no heart !! No no no

                
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Post ID: 426575by jarca » Jan 04, 2014 - 05:53 PM PST
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Take it easy with tense lol. JDud had his two game resurgence. He'll be out of your way once JDud goes cold again. J/k

                
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Post ID: 426578by cleepers » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:16 PM PST
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What a brilliant piece! Perrin FTW!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426579by Steady818 » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:20 PM PST
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And Doc Rivers shot down the bogus rumor that is as well

                
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Post ID: 426580by tense2 » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:22 PM PST
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Thank you....I do. You're on my grain of salt list. wink

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426581by CapsNClips » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:22 PM PST
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Love ya Doc.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426582by Voyeur » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:23 PM PST
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^ Very cool then!

                
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Post ID: 426583by tense2 » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:24 PM PST
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He or you don't have to take it easy with me, lol. I enjoy the repartee. Especially with you Jaca. Smile

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426585by FightOnRon » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:30 PM PST
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Um,gee Doc,what do you really think about this? Like the rest of us,ya think it is stupid?

                
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Post ID: 426587by pageC4 » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:32 PM PST
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CapsNClips wrote:

Love ya Doc.

horrible trade. I'm sure denver never looks back on getting rid of Melo

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426588by CapsNClips » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:34 PM PST
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Hahaha Doc showing no mercy.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426590by cleepers » Jan 04, 2014 - 06:41 PM PST
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^ Actually, I think he's showing a lot of mercy by using the term "that network" instead of calling out Broussard directly. Reminds me of the Bill Simmons beef last summer... "I would call him an idiot, but I'm too classy for that".

EDIT: Here's the video of Doc commenting on this "rumor"...

http://www.nba.com/clippers/video/2014/ ... p4-3095457

                
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Post ID: 426596by jarca » Jan 04, 2014 - 07:08 PM PST
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Bill Simmon part is still my favorite

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426600by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 04, 2014 - 07:28 PM PST
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@ArashMarkazi: Doc Rivers on Blake-Melo trade talk: "Please. It's so stupid. Let's move on. It's just so stupid."

I LOVE DOC SO MUCH MORE NOW! I'm glad he shut all this stuff down! He loves Blake

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426601by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 04, 2014 - 07:35 PM PST
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@ArashMarkazi: Doc is looking at PG options: "There are a few guys who could get out of their contracts in China, so you're looking at all that stuff."

Shannon Brown PG 6' 4", 210 lbs Born Nov 29, 1985 in Maywood, IL (Age: 28) Drafted 2006: 1st Rnd, 25th by CLE College Michigan State Experience 7 years

2012-13 Season PPG APG RPG PER 10.5 1.8 2.5 13.14 Career 8.1 1.2 2.0 Complete Stats

PLEASE SIGN SHANNON BROWN!

                
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Post ID: 426613by tense2 » Jan 04, 2014 - 07:54 PM PST
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Brown is a SG and not a very good one at that. We need a PG.

                
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we need to use the power of twitter and get the clippers to notice gilbert arenas

                
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Post ID: 426807by CapsNClips » Jan 04, 2014 - 10:20 PM PST
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Or not.

                
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Post ID: 426808by tense2 » Jan 04, 2014 - 10:21 PM PST
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No...and no to players that have not played in a game this year.

                
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D rather take a chance on an NBDL talent than Gilbert bang bang Arena

                
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Dee Bost Team: Idaho Stampede Position: PG/SG Age: 24 2013-14 Per-Game Stats: 16.5 points, 5.3 rebounds, 8.4 assists, 1.8 steals, 0.1 blocks NBA Experience: None

never seen him play but i wouldn't mind giving him a try. has nice stats. gilbert arenas is probably less of a gamble though

Edit: Maalik Wayns D-Leauge stats 12.4 points, 2.8 rebounds, 3.0 assists

                
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Post ID: 426832by clipper321 » Jan 04, 2014 - 11:11 PM PST
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Hahaha what? Gilbert Arenas? He'd be a net zero for the team and that's being generous.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 426850by LobAngelesBlakers » Jan 05, 2014 - 12:58 AM PST
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A kid that I went to high school with named Scott Suggs plays for the Knicks D-League affiliate. He is about 6-5 or 6ish and is a sg/pg

                
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I agree any player we get has to be in game condition (don't want to pick on stephen Jackson but...)

                
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Thing is we've seen Wayns play and he's not bad. Why the hell isn't he ready yet?

                
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http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_t ... ef:nbahpts

Doc says that the rumor is stupid as we all knew it was apart from maybe the OP (Laker fan). Watch the vid, we can forget this tread.

                
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Ok, I was wondering, is there any humanly possible way we can make a trash trade for Melo if New York calls it quits?

                
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BTW, talking about backup pgs, you guys didn't see Wayns beasting in training camp? He had a similar skill set to Collison's. Penetrate for layups, and I saw him shoot and make some 3s.

                
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Now somebody on Rant Sports wrote an article with the headline PHILADELPHIA 76ERS SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT TRADING FOR BLAKE GRIFFIN, now that he's "rumored to be on the trading block."

SMH!

                
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Post ID: 427041by slestack11 » Jan 06, 2014 - 12:43 AM PST
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How about this trade for Carmelo? Of course, the Clippers should pull this trade off after Andrew Bynum rediscovers his love for basketball after playing for Doc Rivers. Also, the Clippers can sign Okafor after the Suns release him later this year. This would make our starting lineup the following:

PG: CP3 SG: JJ Redick SF: Carmelo Anthony PF: Blake Griffin C: Andrew Bynum

                
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I wouldn't trade DJ with the year he's having. I think this year for him can be a new trend for him in play. He looks like he's hit his peak and he will ride this for a few more years.

                
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Voyeur wrote:
Now somebody on Rant Sports wrote an article with the headline PHILADELPHIA 76ERS SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT TRADING FOR BLAKE GRIFFIN, now that he's "rumored to be on the trading block."

SMH!

                
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I agree Deandre is having a great season as he's going to potentially lead the league in rebounds and FG%. But I don't think his free throws will ever get to a reasonable state. That is why I think now is the time to pounce on trading high on him. If we can land Carmelo, I think it's worth it because, quite frankly, the one thing we are missing is a go to scorer in the 4th quarter. We have CP3, but if teams force him to give it up, it's a game of roulette as to who takes the shots. Carmelo is just what the Clippers need...but not at the expense of Griffin. CP3, Griffin, and Carmelo can win multiple titles with role players and key vets surrounding them.

                
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Post ID: 427046by ClippersDA » Jan 06, 2014 - 01:13 AM PST
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I have been very anti Melo, but good point.

                
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I'm not nearly as sold on Carmelo being a "go to scorer" as you are. He does score in bundles, but to get 20 points, he often has to take nearly 20 shots. That's highly inefficient, and it takes the rest of the team out of the game as well.

I say Carmelo is not worth trading for at all. Let's not make the same mistake as the Knicks and trade away half our team just to get a third star. Let him come here through free agency after this season, where we can pay him closer to what he's actually worth.

                
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Deandre and Dudley for melo.

                
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Post ID: 427111by CapsNClips » Jan 06, 2014 - 04:13 PM PST
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I'd rather just trade DJ straight up for Horford and keep J Craw and Dudley.

I love Al Horford. I think him and Blake would be a FANTASTIC duo. Much better than Melo and Blake.

                
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Post ID: 427120by wessleejr » Jan 06, 2014 - 04:28 PM PST
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you said it, he is FA in a few months why not wait, he will come to us if he wants to win. or go to lakers if he wants money.

                
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Melo will thrive with CP3, I doubt it will take him 20 shots to score 25 with CP feeding him the rock.

I wouldn't trade BG for him though.

                
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We need to not repeat history with Carmelo. The Nuggets received a kings ransom. As a part of the deal, the Knicks sent Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and a 2014 first-round draft pick to the Nuggets. That was a bad mistake and we would be committing it again, albeit on a lesser scale, if we gave up Crawford, DJ, and Dudley for Carmelo. Let him hit free agency. If he really wants to win a championship then he'll join us at a discount, but if he wants to get paid then he'll go to the Lakers and get money there

                
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I love how defensive broussard got about everyone laughing at him.

                
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You mean Chris BroFRAUD??

                
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