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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421750by TheDude » Dec 17, 2013 - 05:52 PM PST
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He's one guy we're just never going have on this team. He cares only about money, we have two max guys signed for max length and even those two guys make less than Melo. He's not a guy that's going to take a discount to create a winner.

I think PP is a good bet for next season. Obviously it's not the same impact as Melo but he'd start for us no question. A guy like Pierce would come out here, home town + Doc + great team + open slot at his position...Most likely we'll only have the minimax to offer but eventually he'd be leaving money even at a full midlevel offer. Brooklyn will offer him 10mil for 2-3years even if he sucks this season. It would be about getting into the right situation to try to win another chip before he retires.

Assuming we draft a big, he'd be a great way to spend the 3mil.



                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421753by BaadMaster » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:03 PM PST
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As a Lakers fan who occasionally drops by here to see what it is like to have a winner, I am appalled at the idiocy of trading Blake for Carmelo. That is the type of move I would expect from Jim Buss, not from the new Clippers.

                
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Post ID: 421754by Silasie » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:17 PM PST
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If you hadn't noticed already there is not one fan on here that is into this idea. AND the OP is a Laker fan.

                
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Post ID: 421755by ClipperPostman » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:17 PM PST
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Seriously??? A guy at the height of his career averaging 22 pts 10 rebounds, and 49% from the field??

In miami his minutes went down and scoring obviously because of playing with LBJ, but his efficiency went through the roof last season shooting 53% from the field.

There is a reason why they called it the "Big 3". In fact why am I explaining this. lol... This is common basketball knowledge.

                
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Post ID: 421756by CapsNClips » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:28 PM PST
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Ummm....you do know that Blake shot 53% from the field and played less minutes than Bosh last year and scored more and rebounded more than him.

That's common basketball knowledge.

                
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Post ID: 421757by jarca » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:32 PM PST
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Fully endorses PP

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421758by LakerFan » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:34 PM PST
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I hope you guys understand that I am not for this trade at all. I just said its fair, never said I liked it.

                
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Post ID: 421760by Kingkanyon » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:53 PM PST
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In what world is that a fair trade, Melo is great but he's pushing 30, Blakes not hitting 30 at least another 6 years, this is not a fair trade.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421761by ClippersDA » Dec 17, 2013 - 07:54 PM PST
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No to melo! Last nights final possession in the knicks game is exhibit a. He will never win a ring. It is way too early to say that about blake.

                
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Post Subject: Re: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421764by pageC4 » Dec 17, 2013 - 08:26 PM PST
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its a horrible trade. Blake is younger than Melo, so we would be giving the Knicks a bigger window while closing ours. You're correct that Melo scores well, but he also monopolizes the ball and is a classic "ball stopper." in contrast, Blake is a great passer for a big man and better rebounder than Melo.they are both mediocre on defense but overall Blake is younger and does so much more than what Melo does. the nuggets traded Melo for quality role players and managed to stay a playoff team, so Melos contribution is not really that huge. the clippers would be dumb to make this trade and the entire sports media would be ridiculing us non stop. ill pass on Melo

                
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Post ID: 421767by ClipperPostman » Dec 17, 2013 - 08:43 PM PST
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Have you read my post? BLAKE IS AN ELITE LOW POST PLAYER. That was my point. I'm not saying bosh is better than blake.

My point is Bosh is considered an elite low post player.

                
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Post ID: 421770by tense2 » Dec 17, 2013 - 08:57 PM PST
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Jimbo, is that you? Razz

                
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Post ID: 421772by CapsNClips » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:08 PM PST
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My bad. So who's the person who said we should trade for Bosh & Wade?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421774by gman » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:30 PM PST
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I think we should lay this tread to rest. After all, Blake himself killed it last night. His performance spoke by itself. I am a better all around player than Melo.

No to this tread!

                
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Post Subject: Re: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421776by Agent0 » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:40 PM PST
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An interesting question for all of us is this....

If the Clippers continue to rise defensively (currently 7th in the league in Drtg), can we continue to say that Blake and Jordan are just mediocre defenders, yet somehow the team is very good on defense and could even start to challenge for elite?

Unlike last season, the bench aren't the ones carrying the defense, in fact, they are holding it back. It is the starters who are very good.

The only teams with a better defensive ranking than the Clippers so far: Indiana San Antonio Charlotte Chicago OKC Miami

That's some pretty good company to be approaching their level in terms of defensive ability. Just something we should start thinking about. He's playing pretty good pick and roll defense, rebounding better defensively, getting to his spots. Blake might just be moving up to "good" defender.

                
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Post Subject: Re: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421778by tense2 » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:48 PM PST
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"Big" 3 DRtg: Paul 101 BG. 101 DJ. 98

Team DRtg 103.1

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421779by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:52 PM PST
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I would say at this point DJ is a very good defender and Blake is good.

I think getting a backup big that can play good D could boost up to a top 5 defense.

                
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Post Subject: Re: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421792by ClipperPostman » Dec 18, 2013 - 12:24 AM PST
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I agree 100%. But you know how "Stigma's" are. People just keep repeating the same old jargon regardless of improvement.

Just like the "All blake can do is dunk". Only fans who watch the games really keep up with the daily progress so most people only know what the media reports. Which is usually outdated.

There are still people who think lebron can't Shoot 3's lol.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421793by ClipsGForce » Dec 18, 2013 - 12:58 AM PST
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Can we close this thread? There is no point making 5 pages about Melo to LA if it is not going to happen.

It is basically either Lakers fan or a Knick fan hoping to take away Griffin from the Clippers. Well, heck no sore losers. Work your way up instead buy your way in like everyone else here.

                
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Post Subject: Re: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421794by Agent0 » Dec 18, 2013 - 08:03 AM PST
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Yea, pretty nice huh?

Paul already generally played good defense, though his effort around screens at times could be lax as well as sometimes over-helping. This season though his defense has been even better than the last two seasons, he's a lot more in tune on defense and he has been very good for his position.

...but also a good team system makes everyone look better on defense.

                
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Post Subject: Re: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421807by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 18, 2013 - 11:19 AM PST
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Yep a lot of people who don't even know crap running their mouths. I cringe whenever I see stuff like Blake can't play defense and only dunks.

Heck I have seen people say Lebron can only dunk and make layups. lol

                
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Post Subject: Re: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421809by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 18, 2013 - 11:24 AM PST
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I agree Paul in the last two seasons has been fairly good defensively but he has been great this season. The best defensive season i have seen from him since 09. He has made some stupid errors due to gambling a bit(mostly leaving shooters open from 3) but aside from that he has been great.

                
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Post Subject: Re: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421813by LobAngelesBlakers » Dec 18, 2013 - 12:52 PM PST
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LakerFan wrote:
sportsworldnewsDOTcom/articles/7639/20131215/carmelo-anthony-fo r-blake-griffin-trade-could-knicks-clippers-discuss-blockbuster-deal.h tm

Original article is on Bleacher Report

It's all just speculation and talk between sources, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. As a Lakers fan here's my opinion.

Melo is the best scorer in the league, he can average 30 a night if he wanted to. He can score from literally anywhere on the court. Griffin on the other hand is a very entertaining player to watch with his high fly act and everything. He's developing a post game and he's not a bad finisher. He is an good rebounder that goes after all the loose balls. With that being said though, BOTH players are terrible defensively and even Chris Paul criticizes BG for that. However, it's an OK trade for both teams. Why? Clippers get an elite scorer to go with CP3 while Knicks get a good post player with plenty of upside in Griffin. New York is a great place for Griffin because he's a very exciting player to watch, while LA is a good place for Melo because he likes being with big market teams. This is coming from a Lakers fan too.

What do you guys think? I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can.

BTW I have over 1700 posts with LTB, have 10 Rep points, and have been a member since 2007. Not that impressive, but I know the system with the Topbuzz's.

                
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Post ID: 421814by pageC4 » Dec 18, 2013 - 01:05 PM PST
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Yeah, I'm glad you posted it because there has been lots of discussions surrounding this topic. However, it just strikes a wrong chord with us Clippers fans. Blake if our franchise guy we've never had anyone of this caliber before, and even guys in the past like Danny Manning or Elton Brand didn't become marketable guys like Blake has. Nothing personal against you we just don't like the trade. Besides my guess is that he is probably bound to go to the Lakers TBH.

                
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Post ID: 421815by pageC4 » Dec 18, 2013 - 01:07 PM PST
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BaadMaster, what's your take on Melo joining the Lakers? I think LAL would be a top destination for Melo

                
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Post ID: 421816by Heediot » Dec 18, 2013 - 01:29 PM PST
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If 5 pages is the over/under. I'm betting over. The more the Knicks suck, the more rumors and speculations will arise.

                
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Post ID: 421819by pageC4 » Dec 18, 2013 - 01:36 PM PST
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The Knicks will probably dismantl their team, the question is when will the first dominoe fall.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421820by pageC4 » Dec 18, 2013 - 01:39 PM PST
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Also, has anyone else noticed how many good players the Knicks have given away in recent years? And yet we get the bad rep for letting players go. To name a few decent players that the Knicks have just let go: 1. Zach Randolph 2. Jeremy Linn 3. David Lee 4. Danilo Gallinari

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 421843by Agent0 » Dec 18, 2013 - 06:08 PM PST
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I guess Danilo doesn't technically count since they traded him for Carmelo, so it wasn't a give away. Randolph wasn't his more disciplined self as a Knick though, he was the iso at the 3PT line and shots a three version, lol.

I don't think anyone in tune with things associates that label with the Clippers anymore, it's been a while since that was the case. I think the Knicks bigger issue is their bad signings as opposed to the guys they let go. They just seem to give out contracts without clear thought about fit or anything like that.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 422094by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 19, 2013 - 12:27 AM PST
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Yep the Knicks owner and FO is garbage but it doesn't matter since the Knicks rake in lots of money even when they suck so Dolan can be as inept as he wants....

In fact, most of the East is garbage due to inept management. Teams in the East love to overpay, trade draft picks like they are nothing and don't even take into consideration how players fit together. By teams in the East I mean pretty much every team but Miami, Indiana and maybe Boston.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 422098by Kingkanyon » Dec 19, 2013 - 12:51 AM PST
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Knicks got a great team, they just have no System. Mike Woodsen lets them play way to much one on one ball, they don't really run any sets and they have no defensive system besides the Play hard system in witch they are not consistent at, you bring in a L. Hollins or a Van Gundy then they'd be a tittle contender.

Start Amare, put Melo at the 3 were he belongs instead of playing against 4's were he tire downs late in games. Go out and get a good PG, and put Andrea on the Bench were he could be a bigger factor. They have a great team, they just don't have any structure, they need to be put on a leash.

Crazy note, Carmelo had 29 points on 29 shots tonight. Bargnani had 12 points on 16 shots. Jr. Smith 19 points on 23 shots, he shot 17 3 pointers.

SMH.

                
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Post ID: 422140by Agent0 » Dec 19, 2013 - 02:07 PM PST
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The system certainly isn't very good, but even before the system, the player compilation is bad. They don't have a good sense of the complimentary nature of team building.

Yes, if you get unselfish superstar level players together, you can make things work even if their games aren't naturally complimentary. Now, the key word is superstar level, but even with those guys, the cast you surround them with needs to be carefully selected to compliment them well. If you don't have multiple high level players then you need to be even more diligent in putting together complimentary players.

                
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Post ID: 422144by tense2 » Dec 19, 2013 - 02:15 PM PST
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Putting great and team together in the same sentence does not describe the Knicks...system or no system, LOL.

                
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Post ID: 422204by Amnesty_David_Stern » Dec 19, 2013 - 06:59 PM PST
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Boo, on many levels.

                
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Post ID: 422206by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 19, 2013 - 07:06 PM PST
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Only the most delusional Knicks fans think they have a "great team". My Knicks aren't terrible but they aren't that good either. The roster is terrible in terms of fit. At best they would be a slightly above .500 team in a weak East.

Btw Amare is injured(as per usual) and in general he is a net negative on the court. He is worse than Bargnani defensively and that is saying something.

Clippers fans can joke about Mullens but at the end of the day he is only taking up one roster spot and a trivial amount of money. Amare gets paid the super max to play like a scrub and constantly get injured. Bargnani also sucks and gets paid quite a lot.

                
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Post ID: 425096by kjavis » Dec 29, 2013 - 09:57 PM PST
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Another reason why we don't want carmelo lol

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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 425099by ClippersDA » Dec 29, 2013 - 10:13 PM PST
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Let's put this rumor to bed please. Melo is a loser, and as bad as sterling has traditionally been, even he is not that dumb to trade a 24 year old stud for an aging and dissatisfied jerk like melo.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 425105by prokreation » Dec 30, 2013 - 12:19 AM PST
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THanks for wasting our time

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 425903by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 02, 2014 - 04:25 PM PST
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Los Angeles Clippers: L.A. wants to bring in Carmelo Anthony so he can take the ball out of Chris Paul's hands? Does Doc Rivers think the Clippers need to run more isolation sets? Does Doc think Anthony will provide the defensive consistency along the front like the Clippers need? No, no and no. The only reason has any chance of happening is Chris Paul and Anthony are good friends and CP3 could push for it - and he's gotten whatever he pushed for in recent years (especially before he signed his new deal last summer). However Anthony is better at the four than the three and the Clippers are set at the four - Blake Griffin is much younger, puts up numbers and more importantly is the heart of the Clippers marketing efforts. They are not moving Griffin, he's worth far too much to them. Yes, you could play Anthony at the three but to make a trade that works financially without Griffin you end up gutting what depth the Clippers have. Los Angeles needs to make moves with this roster, but Anthony is just not the kind of help they need.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 425904by sz123456 » Jan 02, 2014 - 04:43 PM PST
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I'm sure New York would love Griffin, but they have no leverage seeing that Melo can leave and go where he pleases. If Melo really does want to come here, we'll find a way as long as it doesn't involve Griffin or Paul. I've been a huge fan of DJ this year, but if you can ship him and picks for Melo, definitely gotta think about it.

                
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Post ID: 425905by ClippersDA » Jan 02, 2014 - 04:59 PM PST
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Then who plays center for us? No thanks.

                
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Post ID: 425906by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 02, 2014 - 05:15 PM PST
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Bynum if that whole things works out!

                
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Post ID: 425907by ClippersDA » Jan 02, 2014 - 05:17 PM PST
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Except Bynum has degenerative knees and can't be a long term investment.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 425931by wessleejr » Jan 03, 2014 - 12:43 AM PST
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Bring back Kaman, he is just wasting his life in lakers bench, he can still shoot and depend for a min.

                
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I'm fine with Bynum or Kaman...backing up DJ.

                
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Post ID: 425970by sz123456 » Jan 03, 2014 - 11:52 AM PST
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Anybody. Who plays center on the Heat? It doesn't really matter.

                
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Post ID: 425975by ClippersDA » Jan 03, 2014 - 12:12 PM PST
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Hard to compare any team to the heat when they have the best player, lebron, who can play 1-5 and defend 1-5 as well.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 425976by itsLuigi » Jan 03, 2014 - 12:18 PM PST
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i can't believe you guys really want to trade dj!? he just made that leap we were always waintng for. with doc he will become one of the best center in the nba

                
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Post Subject: RE: Carmelo Anthony to LA, Blake Griffin to NY? Rumor Post ID: 425977by cleepers » Jan 03, 2014 - 12:28 PM PST
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^ Yup. He was arguably overpaid for the past 2 years... now he seems underpaid relative to his peers. Only way it makes sense to trade him now is to package him with our trash for a bona fide stud on a rookie contract plus pieces. No GM will make that trade.

                
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Post ID: 425993by sz123456 » Jan 03, 2014 - 02:12 PM PST
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Just sayin', teams at the top of the standings: Heat, Thunder, Blazers - Their centers are not that great.

I really like DJ, he's really locked in this season and he's growing into a better player each game. But the rumor right now is Blake for Carmelo, which we would never do. You have to give up something good if you want something good in return. CP3, Blake, and Melo is an unbelievable Big 3, we have to consider it.

                
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