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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 425126by Agent0 » Dec 30, 2013 - 11:37 AM PST
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Both these guys have been killing it lately. Love's last 7 games:

30.6 PPG, 13.7 RPG, 4.3 APG, 51.8% FG, 38.5% 3PT, 84.2% FT

...and people still complain about the quality of big men in the league, lol



                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 425130by WinningBasket » Dec 30, 2013 - 11:48 AM PST
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Why is there such a love fest for Kevin Love? Lol He seems to be the media darling too. I get that he has great stats, but he doesn't strike me as THE player who could carry his 15-15 team on his back on a consistent basis whereas Blake has the potential to take the Clippers to a much higher level.

                
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Post ID: 425132by Agent0 » Dec 30, 2013 - 12:05 PM PST
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Meh, honestly, who knows, he might, he might not, but there's certainly no real evidence for the latter. Good production is good production if there are no confounding things like being a ball hog. All the other arbitrary things are not as important if one is producing well. His offensive production is impactful, clearly since their PG is immune to scoring. An efficient 25+ PPG benefits a team whether you create shots or are even assisted on 100%, and of course we know he can create quite well actually.

The questions are how does he impact a defense and can he close games? Of course defensive rebounding helps a defense, and he is playing extensive minutes on what is currently a 9th ranked defense with no shot blocker in the starting lineup, so something has to be happening that is right, and he doesn't seem to be screwing it up. Minnesota reminds me a bit of Denver last season in terms of how they started with a mediocre record due to schedule and their record wasn't indicative of ability.

In terms of closing games, really, as a big, it's fine if you aren't amazing and Dirk Nowitzki as long as you have guards that can do it, but it isn't like you can't design plays in which he gets the shot, and it isn't like he lacks capability.

I dislike the "does he have it"', "can he carry his team on the back" type arguments because they're similar to ones people would want to say about Blake, and many times too arbitrary. If you're scoring 25+ PPG and 30 PPG over a 10 game span, it is really hard to not be carrying your team on your back at points through that.

Minnesota is 9th in Ortg and 9th in Drtg. They have an expected record (based on production) of 19-11 but are 15-15. Their differential is +4.1. If their play continues at the same level, their record will most likely balance out to a 50 win team since through 30 games they have the 6th best differential in the West.

                
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Post ID: 425133by FightOnRon » Dec 30, 2013 - 12:05 PM PST
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Because he doesn't play in the west and in particular in Los Angeles.

                
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Post ID: 425152by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 30, 2013 - 03:52 PM PST
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WinningBasket wrote:
Why is there such a love fest for Kevin Love? Lol He seems to be the media darling too. I get that he has great stats, but he doesn't strike me as THE player who could carry his 15-15 team on his back on a consistent basis whereas Blake has the potential to take the Clippers to a much higher level.

Replace Love with BG on the Wolves. Can you honestly say that team is better than 15-15? They are comparable players. I think Love is a bit better right now but Blake has more upside.

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Because he doesn't play in the west and in particular in Los Angeles.

Love doesn't play in the West? Confused

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 425153by Silasie » Dec 30, 2013 - 04:06 PM PST
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"Love doesn't play in the West? "

Where does he play then????????

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 425156by ClipperKyle32 » Dec 30, 2013 - 04:26 PM PST
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Blake Griffin and Kevin Love do the same thing just a different way I told a bunch of fans of the Timberwolves on Instagram this: Blake and Kevin both SCORE but differently, Blake scores in the post and dunks a lot more than Love but Love can shoot more and better and an occasional post-up! Blake and Kevin both REBOUND but differently, Blake rebounds with his LEAPING ability and Kevin rebounds with POSITIONING! Blake and Kevin both ASSIST but differently, Blake passes from the post to 3 point shooters and cutters with the average 1 assist on an OOP to Deandre Jordan. Kevin passes to cutters and Pek from the perimeter because he is a threat from out there just like Blake is a threat in the post! Both Players do the same thing just differently! If you ask me I believe Kevin Love has already met his ceiling, I mean what could he possibly get better at! Blake , on the other hand , is just barely showing us what type of numbers he can put up! We just see the 30+ games he has had recently ,but I like that he is showing up when the lights are on! Showing up to the point where in the LOSS to Portland Charles Barkely said he thought Blake played fantastic! Both Players are the same, but different! They do the same things but in a different manner! Only difference is one does it and their team is winning! That Is the X-Factor Blake shows up and the Clippers are winning! With the Portland and Golden State excused because those were both winable in one game where Blake was unjustly EJECTED! If you asked me I would take Blake over Love anyday! NO QUESTION

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 425159by WinningBasket » Dec 30, 2013 - 04:44 PM PST
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I get what you guys are saying about Love. I agree he is a much better player than Blake at this time, having been in the league longer than Blake. Kevin Love may or may not end up carrying his team to a better record and to the playoffs, but it's a given that he is overall a better player for now. However, I prefer Blake and his potential of what he could ultimately become. To have a front row seat, so to speak, as a Clippers fan and see his growth in what we hope he could really be, that superstar with all-around skills, is more intriguing to me.

Don't shoot this poor newbie, lol.

                
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Post ID: 425161by cleepers » Dec 30, 2013 - 05:01 PM PST
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The midwest.

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Post ID: 425410by Agent0 » Dec 30, 2013 - 11:17 PM PST
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I wouldn't say he's "much" better. They are comparable players, someone can make a solid argument for Love being better, but you can also make an argument for taking Blake because he's not far off and due to greater defensive potential and potential in general.

                
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Post ID: 425548by toohipcliptoslip » Dec 31, 2013 - 05:29 AM PST
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Interesting. You made what initially seemed like a sojourn into the land of the oxymoron a very well thought out post. Blake is now playing like a beast. Blake anyday

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 425899by ClippersDA » Jan 02, 2014 - 03:42 PM PST
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I'm bored and have been reading fans of other teams perspectives on blake. I don't understand why other fans who discuss potential trades for blake would want to immediately flip him for picks and expirings. It's very odd, he is a high scoring and very efficient player who is only 24. His image is improving but fans of other nba teams seem reluctant to part with the narrative that he is a one trick pony.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 426853by cleepers » Jan 05, 2014 - 01:10 AM PST
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Games lost choking at the FT line in crunch time this season:

Love - 1 Griffin - 0

                
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Post ID: 426858by Amnesty_David_Stern » Jan 05, 2014 - 02:47 AM PST
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DeAndre Jordan VS Dwight Howard

Chris Paul VS Russell Westbrook

Jamal Crawford VS Manu Ginobili

JJ Reddick VS Kyle Korver

Ryan Hollins VS Towel Boy

                
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Post ID: 426869by Voyeur » Jan 05, 2014 - 10:27 AM PST
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Ouch. lol

On a sour note, Skip Bayless last night tweated that Splitter outplayed Blake. Games like that make me WISH we were playing more man-to-man defense, but that's not the way it works.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 426875by cleepers » Jan 05, 2014 - 11:01 AM PST
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^ Yeah, I heard about that tweet. Something tells me that Skippy "skipped" over Love's collapse at the line and hasn't been updating his idiot disciples on Blake's best in career numbers for the previous couple of weeks.

#Hater

                
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Post ID: 426876by Voyeur » Jan 05, 2014 - 11:05 AM PST
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Surprisingly, Skip is no fan of Love either. Calls him someone who disappears down the stretch. Even made a crack about that last night against Durant.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 426877by cleepers » Jan 05, 2014 - 11:07 AM PST
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^ My bad...

#EqualOpportunityHater

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 426975by Silasie » Jan 05, 2014 - 08:30 PM PST
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K.Love was the polar opposite of clutch last night....................clutchless, unclutch, non-clutch............................................................ ...................or maybe just good old fashioned choked. Wink

I think the TWolves have the worst record for tight games in the NBA or something like that?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 426985by cleepers » Jan 05, 2014 - 10:03 PM PST
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^ Automatic transmission - No clutch?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love Post ID: 427050by Silasie » Jan 06, 2014 - 05:35 AM PST
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^ yeah but those free throws certainly weren't automatic Wink

                
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Post ID: 427052by jazclipcity3 » Jan 06, 2014 - 05:49 AM PST
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Haha towel boy...hands down. ...he knows his role and he executes night in and night out.

                
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Post ID: 427653by toohipcliptoslip » Jan 07, 2014 - 07:55 PM PST
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This is somewhat on point but it isn't a comparison between the two as to who is better.

Big Baby gave Blake fits. Baby is stronger and bigger so Blake can't out muscle him. Baby got him into foul trouble. This is where BG should have been able to use his quickness and fundamental skills including good footwork and torch him. This is why he needs to study. Love has these fundamentals. BG's done a lot so far so asking him to learn this RIGHT NOW is a bit much but let's put it on the laundry list.

Again not making a value judgement.

                
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