Blake Griffin vs Kevin Love (P. 4)

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Cavs looking for a 3rd teams. Trying to keep Wiggins out of the trade. Twolves demanding him tho. Wolves also want a 1st rd pick.

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That's an interesting question. I do not think Kawii Leonard killed it in college. Other Spurs, like Parker and Manu , appeared (I am only guessing based on draft position) to be average at best pre-NBA. Funny that all these "flops to tops are coached by Pops!" (Couldn't resist. It's summer, fries your brain!)

Maybe LaMarcus Aldridge and Paul George were less than stellar pre-NBA.

Anyone here know the list of "flop to top" NBA stars?

But there is no doubt that Postman had a good point: it seems unlikely that an average college player blossoms into a superstar.

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That's an interesting question. I do not think Kawii Leonard killed it in college. Other Spurs, like Parker and Manu , appeared (I am only guessing based on draft position) to be average at best pre-NBA. Funny that all these "flops to tops are coached by Pops!" (Couldn't resist. It's summer, fries your brain!) Maybe LaMarcus Aldridge and Paul George were less than stellar pre-NBA. Anyone here know the list of "flop to top" NBA stars? But there is no doubt that Postman had a good point: it seems unlikely that an average college player blossoms into a superstar.
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Postman, I think you are selling George a little shot. He isn't a superstar, but he wasn't vastly inefficient. He did cool down after starting hot, but he ended up with a 20.1 PER, .555 TS% and a decent 107 Ortg

I think it depends on how we are using the term superstar. If you mean like Top 5 player superstar, then yea, usually we have some idea of those guys as they have dominated at some level or shown certain tools and flashes. If you just mean All-Star player, then that's a different case. The only reason you wouldn't trade Wiggins for Love is if you believe Wiggins is a once in a generation type talent. I actually think there's an argument for him, he has a lot of tools, but he does need some things in his approach and some skills to be improved to get there. I don't actually think Wiggins season was mediocre for a 19 year old freshman and actually George showed a lot of good things at Fresno too. Manu was a superstar outside the NBA though, so he doesn't really count.

I think Postman is not taking into account that Wiggins only played one year in college. A lot of the once in a generation type talents we are talking about who went to college played more than one season, and if they had only played one season, their first year might not have been a dominant season. Freshman Hakeem, though he was especially raw put up 8/6. Freshman Ewing put up 13/8. Freshman Shaq put up 14/12. I think we have to sort of adjust for the fact that we are judging players production based on just their freshman year. Freshman Vince averaged 7.5/3.8 in 17 mins, and 16/5/2 as a junior. What could Wiggins do if he stayed two more seasons? So when you put it in perspective, a freshman player averaging 17/6 isn't a problem, and he looked quite good at times. I don't think he's a clear cut once in a generation talent, but he's certainly not out of the running to be that high level type of player either.

Wiggins stats aren't a problem, what I'd be more worried about with him as a perimeter player is the level of his handles in comparison to his peers as a perimeter player. That is probably his biggest limiting factor. His shot has actually shown decent progress and really in comparison to other perimeter players in the league in their freshman year in college, his percentages aren't bad at all.

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Ha you caught I am not a PG Fan... So I agree I am biased on that. But not on Wiggins.

I think the problem here is we are mixing up All-star with Superstar. I have no doubt Wiggins could be an All-star. Truthfully his game reminds me more of a Demar Derozan type player.

I like Wiggins, but my Judgement is also from watching the Kid play. I see talent in Wiggins, but not the level of Talent that he is a once in a generation player. My arguments have to be kept in the context that the main argument was he might become the "Next Kobe". Seems like the argument has kinda shifted to him being a "really good" player.

I believe Wiggins will be good no doubt. But definitely not the next Kobe. And because of this you don't think twice about trading him for LOVE, especially since you have the RIGHT NOW Lebron.

Whether anyone wants to agree or not Love is putting up HOF numbers at this point. Of course he'd have t continue this throughout his career.

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If Cavs get Love for Wiggins, there will be a Clippers-Cavs Final. That is my prediction.

And that would be a superstar studded affair for the ages (LeBron, BG, Love, CP3, DJ, Kyrie) -- a veritable all All-Star HOF game.

I can't wait!!!

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