Clippers Vs. Blazers Official Game Thread 2013-12-26 (P. 16)

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clipperboy24
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Yeah that really has been killing us. Blake and DJ don't always get the best position and it doesn't help that our wings are absolutely terrible at rebounding. Hope bullock can come back soon and help with that.

ClippersDA
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I'm done with Dudley once jj comes back. Let's mix it up with bullock or stephen Jackson. Barnes has been majorly disappointing.

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I honestly can't remember the last time Barnes defended someone in the post and it didn't result in a bucket or FT's for the opposing player. Remember when he used to be our defensive anchor along with Bledsoe on the bench? I miss that Barnes.

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Guys we've had a good record with Crawford but we've played mediocre teams lately besides tonight and yesterday and barely won against the twolves, I honestly think Redick will benefit us more longer as starter and Crawford needs to guide the bench with scoring cause who else is bringing in points? Willie Green? Hahaha I mean we are desperately missing Redick and Bullock. We need more consistent 3 point shooting big time to become elite...

and on a side note... Doc should give Hollins a tad bit more playing time so DJ doesn't foul out in certain circumstances... We will need Hollins to improve come playoffs

So let's start getting Hollins that confidence now

ClipsGForce
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I agree on that assessment. Maybe a couple more minutes so Hollins learn NOT TO FOUL. Plus DJ could use a rest.

ClippersDA
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I have always found barnes to be overrated on defense - he never keeps his hips square to defender he is always at a 45 degree angle allowing the blown by. Remember Kenyon martins defense on Rudy gay? That was perfect man to man defense.

ClippersDA
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I disagreed with two doc decisions tonight. I wanted him to foul, and I thought he should have put Hollins or even stephen Jackson on Aldridge at end rather than Dudley. Dudley cannot guard 4s and 5s and I am

Tired of doc trying it. He is too small, slow and not strong. Length like Hollins may have altered some shots.

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Spot on!

Voyeur
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Oh well...Utah at home next on Saturday. Chicken soup?

ClipperPostman
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Spurs is a mediocre team?

When JJ was starting all of our losses were to mediocre teams. JJ should come off the bench. Crawfords offense was not the problem. In fact without his timely 3's we wouldn't be in the game. he as 4/8 from three point in the 4th qtr.

You guys assessment of Crawford starting has been way off base. We were undefeated until yesterday and that was the refs. And today which was a great game.

Too much fantasy on this board about JJ.

Voyeur
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Once again, our 2 bigs outrebounded their 2 bigs. Unfortunately, the rest of their players outrebounded the rest of ours.

We were only 50% from the FT line, yet Blake was 4-5...weird. But we only went 12 times. They went 22 times. The good news is we forced 16 turnovers but only committed 5.

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Since when does coming off the bench keep a player from making timely threes? He does that just as well off the bench. We were undefeated until Jared started missing again. It's no coincidence that many games we lost when JJ started were at the same time our SF was in his slump. And guess what? He's had a 2 game slump and we've lost both with Jamal starting. When it comes to these last 2 games though, it's about the defense also. And while I'm not saying JJ's a "lock down" defender, he is more committed to staying with his man and denying the ball than JC. I think it would have made a difference...oh and JJ's hot starts sure do help also.

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I hate to be negative here, but I knew that Paul shot at the buzzard wasn't going in. Just like last night his shot at the end went in and out. Someone else has to step

up, Paul was tired. We seriously need a back up big. Why hasn't Captain Jack played? Jamison hasn't played much either.

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I really would like to see Jackson play. I think Doc has a dilemma with his SF rotations.

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Jackson actually played power forward when he was on the Warriors, with Al Harrington starting at center part time unless Biedrins started. Jackson would be a good 4 to help spread the floor.

Akclipps
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I'm still pissed that the FO choose byron mullens as our back up big, he's useless instead of getting a decent big who can defend. Reggie evan sounds so good right now

Agent0
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I get that you really like Jamal starting, but you need to at least objectively analyze whether it is the best thing for the team. Him on the bench doesn't mean he isn't playing, but his production is better.

Jamal as a starter is shooting 40.3% FG and 37% 3PT. The 3PT% is fine, but that FG% isn't acceptable. He's scoring 20.0 PPG, but it is taking him 17.7 FGA to get there as well as 37.8 MPG. He's averaging a measly 2.6 APG to go along with 2.3 TPG.

No one is denying that he's done some things to help the team win, but games are own as much in the first half as the second. Also let's not mask the reality that the team isn't winning "just because" he is starting, that's a very limited way to analyze / understand basketball. It also says nothing about whether the team would win with Redick starting because Jamal was replacing freaking Willie Green. So there's no reason to be making the comparison as if the team was going to go undefeated for the rest of the season with Jamal.

The team was winning because of a lot of factors including Dudley hitting shots and Jamal being much better than Green. Guess what though? Redick is much better than a Green. Redick gives a 20 pts caliber SG on the court at all times and fresher legs because their minutes are a bit lower also. Both him and Jamal average 20 pts/36, so their scoring rate when on the floor is that of a 20 pts scorer when they are playing their said minutes.

Jamal didn't "kill it" this game. Jamal started off poorly and while he ended decently, he scored 21 points on 21 shots. Sure, he was 4/8 from 3PT range, and if that was the only relevant thing, it was a great game, but it isn't. He had a measly 2 assists and only shot 2 FT's.

Jamal has shot 2 or less FT's in each of the last 4 games. Scoring isn't all that matters. 20 pts in 37.8 minutes is not some crazy scoring rate, Redick can give a similar scoring rate in the minutes he plays with the added advantage of better offensive motion, with no defensive drop-off.

Jamal's advantages over a Redick were supposed to be playmaking and things like getting to the basket, but the draw the same amount of FT's and averse the same rate of assists on THIS team, while Redick commits half the turnovers.

The team is maximized with both. I don't actually care much who starts, I thought Redick would be nice off the bench, but Jamal hasn't been better as a starter than Redick was because the team had a win streak.

With Redick starting: 12-5 (.706, 58 win pace)

With Jamal starting: 5-2 (.714, 59 win pace)

Of course a 7 game sample size isn't the best, but it is what we have. The team won the last 4 games Redick played in, and the beginning of the season also included games where Mullens was playing significant minutes and killing the bench defense as well as no Barnes after the first 8 games. Team was 6-2 (.750) to start the season with Redick starting and Barnes playing (not because he was great, but just for depth). Let's not get confused as to how successful the team was to start the season.

These last two losses:

Jamal:

20.0 PPG, 21.0 FGA, 40.5% FG, 38.5% 3PT, 1 reb, 1 assist, 1 tov, 1 FTA in 39.9 MPG

Whenever you take more FGA than you score points, it is usually not good. Sometimes it is okay of you do other things. Jamal hasn't done anything but score / attempt shots in these games though. He isn't rebounding, he isn't creating for others, 20 points in 40 minutes isn't anything special scoring wise.

Just put some perspective to it

Voyeur
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Here's the thing. Remember early in the preseason, Jamal was struggling badly, and he didn't sound happy. Doc talked with Jamal and realized Jamal thought Doc would want him to play more like JJ. Doc told him to forget all that and told him to be himself. To be that one on one guy who can take over at moments. Sure enough, Jamal started playing great.

Now that Jamal is starting, he kinda has to play a little more like JJ, because Willie wasn't quite able to. And he's done an admirable job. But make no mistake, Jamal is at his best in those ISO situations. Exploding for points when he steps on the court. But we can't really have those situations at the starting position. Not at the expense of our offensive flow. We had it MADE in the SG position with the JJ/Jamal rotation. It was really the SF position and the poor all around play from the bench that made us, shall we say, less than perfect. Yet we still had a 12-5 record amidst arguably the toughest schedule in the NBA.

ClippersDA
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I woke up a while ago and just felt so bummed. Can't let it mother me this much but it does. These two games were bitter losses, but I at least respect Portland (although I think they will have a losing streak soon once their shots don't fall).

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The Mullens signing was bad, but the problem is the other defensive bigs got larger contracts elsewhere. its not as simple as the front office signing Mullens over Brand, Randolph, Johnson..etc. Brand got offered a $4 mill contract. Mullens was the one we got at that short length at that low price.

now the question is can we move Mullens. Hopefully there will be a defensive big available by trade deadline

ClippersDA
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What really makes me frustrated is at no matter what,we never get good shooters, even when our mission is to sign them. They never pan out, and every other team seems to have consistent shooters from deep.

ClipsGForce
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I wonder what would be it like if we actually sign Carl Landry instead of Matt Barnes.

Icecoldclipper
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The next day and I truly had a dream the team fouled and won. I'm hearing the plan was to foul but failed if so that's even worse. It wouldn't have been that hard as soon as anyone gets the ball bear hug.

Hollins having a great defense game and not trusting him over Dudley is a terrible sign. You either trust Hollins in those moment or you make a trade or sign another big there is no middle ground to use Dudley there. Jordan looked slower as the game went on and Hollins should of got the nod more often.

Jackson should of played and should be playing more often doesn't matter at SF or PF. Jackson may not be shooting great but he is working on defense and were not exactly getting great shooting anyway from PF backup spot either.

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Landry probably won't play until the All star break if that I believe.

jarca
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Superstar Chris Paul wanted to play. GM demanding that we signed Barnes. Doc Rivers wanted to play GM and gave Bledsoe away.

Too many people trying to do everything. Here's an idea hire a GM

cashdld
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man we could have play bledsoe and paul together the same way the suns are playing dragic and bledsoe together i think we made a mistake letting him go

Voyeur
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Dragic is not Paul. Paul is more of a ball-dominant point guard for better or worse. The fact that Bledsoe and Dragic both average about 6 assists kinda proves THEY work well together. Not saying Bledsoe wouldn't work well with Paul, he has before. But he's much freer with a guy like Dragic.

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I don't think people understand what Redick does for us besides score 16ppg. He makes it so Blake isn't doubled as often and when he is Blake can make them pay, also his constant motion keeps defenders on their toes and gives Chris much more opti....wait...wait, I feel like I've said this 1000 times.

I'm done talking about Bledsoe and that trade. I'd do it again 10 times out of 10.

CP3Heliflopter
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We already saw how Paul and Bledsoe worked in small sample sizes. Looked pretty good. The weird thing is Bledsoe never put anywhere near the numbers he put up on the Suns when he started(while Paul was injured). I am not sure why. Maybe it was coaching I honestly am not sure.

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LOL...I feel ya!

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Exactly. They definitely had moments where they looked great. I just think Bledsoe would thrive better with out someone so dominant in the same backcourt.

clipperboy24
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He never had a lot of starts after his rookie year. I think it had a lot to do with no vote of confidence from Vinny that he would get a lot of consistent playing time. He showed all the potential of a star, he just needed a legit opportunity and unfortunately he wasn't getting it with Baron there or Cp3 even though we had no shooting guard with cp3.

clipperboy24
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Oh and also in 12 starts for us last year he averaged 14 PPG, 5 ApG and 5 RPG and 2.5 steals in 34 minutes. Those are good numbers and showed a lot of potential.

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I think he's also worked on his game as a player. 36% 3PT on 3.6 3PT didn't come out of nowhere, neither did him now being an 80% FT shooter.

We saw glimpses last season of his improved spot up shot and FT shooting, and remember before being injured, he was putting up about 16/5/5 per 36 on .530-.540 TS%. The injury hurt his numbers a bit because he has a little time of lesser production after coming back.

Also, we have to remember that when Paul went down, the offense changed to be centered around Blake getting the ball and creating / making decisions, not around Bledsoe. In Phoenix, the offense is focused around him.

Phoenix Bledsoe looks more like playoff Bledsoe

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This game had mistakes that bit us in the end.

-DJ not coming down with an offensive rebound instead trying to finish in the air off balance. Missing the foul I guess for fear of fouling out.

-Paul missed tech free throw

-Barnes not passing on three on one break. Also tripping over himself when Hollins deflected the ball that should of been a steal turned into an open three. The last foul.

-Crawford missed free throw

Doc and whole team not getting a much needed foul at the end. I mean somebody foul off ball and make it look like a accident if you have to do something.

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Great summary! I 100% agree on this.

The Barnes 3 on 1 FB was probably what infuriated me the most.

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I think this blazer team may go on a little losing streak! All these 1-3 point games they are having in regulation and OT they can't possibly sustain winning those defintely when the 3-point shot....

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