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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 429986by namzug » Jan 16, 2014 - 02:48 PM PST
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I'd feel so much better about this signing if it was tried on a ten day contract first.

If Gary or Doc can unload Mullens somewhere they should be considered for GM of the year.



                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 429989by ClipperSam » Jan 16, 2014 - 02:55 PM PST
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I am happy with Hedo signing . Great job Doc. I think he will be a great asset to our squad. I have always liked hedo and I believe he wants to win. I think he will be a huge surprise. He is also a clutch 3 point shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins 2-3 games for us. Also excited to have him for playoffs.

Welcome Hedo.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 429998by da11da » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:18 PM PST
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Horrible signing someone should be fired. This bum has been done for a while now.

                
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Post ID: 430000by worm » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:29 PM PST
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Who you want to fire? Doc Rivers?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430001by Voyeur » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:29 PM PST
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I'm keeping an open mind about this. We shall see.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430002by da11da » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:29 PM PST
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If he's the man who made it happen then yes.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430006by namzug » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:52 PM PST
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Haha your funny da11da, stop it. Fire Doc because he signed someone to a vet min deal, that worst case scenario it costs sterling some money and we cut him. I'm not super high on the signing, but really fire Doc or Gary. I would have preferred it be for 10 days first, and don't see why we couldn't do this with Bynum instead; but let's not go over the deep end and think this will make or break the team.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430008by da11da » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:55 PM PST
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Doc should stick to coaching.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430009by Heediot » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:56 PM PST
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Should've used a ten day option.

                
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Post ID: 430010by pageC4 » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:58 PM PST
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I second both of these thoughts. Mistakes always happen. You will seldom see a GM that gets all acquisitions right. And prior to the start of the season Mullens looked like a decent signing and for cheap too. Still, now that we see it hasn't worked its up to Doc to find a way to ship him out and get something in return. If Doc does ship out Mullens then you are right it will speak wonders to his skills as a GM. So far what we can say is that he hasn't changed anything at 4th placed we are basically in the same position Vinny had us in

                
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Post ID: 430011by Clipswhit » Jan 16, 2014 - 05:09 PM PST
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Maybe to some of you guys... Mullens has always been a bum. His stats all showed that he was bad, yet we gave him a player option?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430014by namzug » Jan 16, 2014 - 05:14 PM PST
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I get a little frustrated, because I think we are one good big away from being locks for the finals. I don't think it's Bynum, but if we could get a back up big that could play 20 solid minutes backing up our bigs we would be set. I think Okafor would be perfect, I also think Jamison wouldn't be such a liability.

We might be a solid wing defender away too, but I think we are really close. An Ariza type player I think would be perfect (obiously price would have to be a factor), and if we could get someone solid or even an up and comer big to back up our guys we would be set. I like the Plumlee brothers, and think maybe we can find someone in the D-league.

                
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Post ID: 430016by Greenmonk94 » Jan 16, 2014 - 05:33 PM PST
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Everyone has the right to there opinion.. But how does signing hedo to a already deep roster worth firing.. Hopefully this is not related to us staying away from bynum.. Imho .. Hedo is better then Jamison at what doc wants so I see his strategy.

                
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Post ID: 430017by pageC4 » Jan 16, 2014 - 05:36 PM PST
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some of you guys...that includes Doc Rivers. Doc thought highly enough to get him. Moves don't always work out and even some of the best stats won't always reveal if a player will thrive on a team. I stand by Docs decision even though it ended up turning out bad with Mullens. But for every failure there is success. Give Doc credit for Redick and Collison who have been playing great, and whom I also suggested would be great fits here.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430019by MunoValente » Jan 16, 2014 - 06:00 PM PST
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Mullens has pretty good raw tools and is pretty young, so I think he was worth trying out as a fixer upper, even if he failed in the end. His defensive rebounding rate was good last year, so were his at the basket finishing numbers, he's got good size and his three point shooting while a work in progress showed promise. Problem was his bad traits, like shot selection, speed of thought, quickness and general defensive ability were too much to make for or fix in fairly short time or perhaps ever.

                
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Post ID: 430020by tense2 » Jan 16, 2014 - 06:01 PM PST
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Collinson and Redick were easy picks, as they had good numbers to back them up for their designed rolls on the team. So the odds for them to fit and be productive were fairly high. Mullins didn't, weather Doc "thought" highly of him or not. Bad move and Doc knows it.

Hope Hedo doesn't fall into that category, but I would't bet on it.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430036by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 16, 2014 - 06:51 PM PST
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I am not hype on it YET! Could be deadly come playoff time! I am starting to see Doc realizes that the Mullens-Jamison experiments didn't work out as planned! In the game against Dallas last I checked only 8 players recorded minutes Collison Redick Dudley Griffin Jordan Barnes Crawford Morris

No Hollins, No Mullens, No Jamison! Then you go out and sign Hedo Turkoglu who is 6'10 and can play those positions in which those guys logged no minutes! That sends a flag up for me! Those guys may be gone!

Rumor Out Now: @ArashMarkazi: When Darius Morris' second 10-day is done the Clippers will either keep him or take a look at someone else like Odom or Vujacic.

ODOM!!!!!! This could he deadly come playoff time

Chris Paul - Darren Collison JJ Redick - Jamal Crawford Jared Dudley - Matt Barnes Blake Griffin - Hedo Turkoglu Deandre Jordan - Lamar Odom - Ryan Hollins

Now Willie Green, Jamison, Mullens, Bullock have now all fell out of the rotation! Maybe some of them are gone!

Odom and Turkoglu can be very essential to this team if they play like they are capable of playing!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430040by da11da » Jan 16, 2014 - 07:05 PM PST
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Turkoglu at PF?? He's to weak to guard the bigger guys and to slow to guard the smaller guys. Turkoglu will make ZERO positive impact.

                
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Post ID: 430046by ClipperPostman » Jan 16, 2014 - 07:44 PM PST
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If you don't realize the difference between Vinny Clippers and Doc clippers I don't know what to tell you..

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430048by Icecoldclipper » Jan 16, 2014 - 07:46 PM PST
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Please god no Odom at Center or if at all. It did not work last year and it won't work this year. We need a center with length!

                
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Post ID: 430049by pageC4 » Jan 16, 2014 - 07:49 PM PST
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this is out of context. I love doc's use of time outs, his substitutions, and overall skills to motivate. in my opinion he is far better than vinny, my comment is simply to point out that so far he hasn't accomplished anything different than Vinny has accomplished. until playoffs and a farther push is made we can't say doc has accomplished anything here yet

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430050by MunoValente » Jan 16, 2014 - 07:51 PM PST
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Odom has good length, he's as long as a lot centers. Odom was terrible on offense last year, but he was legit on the defense, he was mobile enough to be active, long enough to challenge shots, made good decisions and still managed to get into possession to rebound. We were something like 9-10 points per 100 possession better on defense with him on the floor last year. If he can play at the level again this year he'd be great, but he's also about as unreliable as anyone.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430051by Icecoldclipper » Jan 16, 2014 - 07:53 PM PST
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Team needs to invest a second rounder on a euro big. Don't know why we traded the guy we drafted this last draft in second round.

                
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Post ID: 430072by TheDude » Jan 16, 2014 - 09:40 PM PST
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Who was the guy last season that ended every sentence with exclamation points? I'm thinking CP3best aka The CTB Mascot. That kid could throw down 200 posts a day without a problem. Is he still around?

Kyle, I like your enthusiasm but word of advice, stick with periods. I read your posts and picture you running around, jumping jacks, popping ritalin and so on...Repeatedly yelling eureka! in public and scaring the children. Things of this nature. None of those things are appropriate and neither is overuse of exclamation points.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430073by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Jan 16, 2014 - 09:49 PM PST
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I'm not a fan of this signing. We needed a big man who a could play either the 4 or 5 and Hedo is too big and slow for the 3 but not really big or physical enough for the 4. Not mention, we needed a forward who can grab some rebounds so we've had so much trouble on the glass recently. Hopefully Hedo proves me wrong and can actually do a decent job at the PF.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430077by ClipsGForce » Jan 16, 2014 - 10:24 PM PST
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Let me ask everyone something. Tell me a team that we would be in trouble without a 3rd big. I think we're fine with how Doc run it. He really never have a 3rd big during his run in Boston.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430078by Agent0 » Jan 16, 2014 - 10:28 PM PST
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Being a great coach doesn't necessarily mean great GM, as long as he learns from his mistakes. If he goes out and signs another Mullens type, then that is a problem, but everything objective suggested Mullens would be bad. Everything objective and even subjective suggested Redick and Collison would be good, so those are easy pickings.

Still, it's just about improving for him in the role, and if it isn't the best for him, being willing to give it up, and the Clippers going after one of these "accountant" that seem to know how to put together basketball teams very well.

                
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Post ID: 430080by Agent0 » Jan 16, 2014 - 10:42 PM PST
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Leon Powe and Glen Davis, then P.J. Brown took Davis' minutes later in the season and in the playoffs. Powe was highly productive before his knees exploded, and I mean HIGHLY productive in his minutes, helped them win that championship. That was in their championship year that they had those guys.

The next year KG was out later in the season. 09-10 they had Rasheed and Glen Davis. I think a solid third big man certainly seems to help teams.

LAL: Odom DAL: Haywood OKC: Nick Collison SAS: Diaw / Bonner (Spliiter / Bonner the previous year) Miami: Andersen CHI: Gibson

A lot of the recently successful teams in both conferences have had a big they could give 15 MPG to and not feel like things were going to tank. So I'd say it's pretty useful.

                
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Post ID: 430096by toohipcliptoslip » Jan 17, 2014 - 12:56 AM PST
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Hollins has played pretty well. How many roster spots left? Hedo is washed up but we do need another #3. If we can find the roster space Odom is our best bet. He has a center's wingspan, he can run the point and he WAS a good rebounder which is something we lack on the bench. Jamison is too old too fat and too slow. I hope not but he may be Grant Hill redux. I don't think he can stop a homeless guy who's pushing a shopping cart. Against LAL he had three wide open corner bingos and he missed them all.

                
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Post ID: 430097by toohipcliptoslip » Jan 17, 2014 - 12:59 AM PST
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What if Hollins gets hurt? There's DJ and then there's DJ then maybe Mullens.

                
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Post ID: 430105by kjavis » Jan 17, 2014 - 03:43 AM PST
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My thoughts exactly reading that post was like having someone shouting in my ear

I'm on the fence on hedo, he 'used' to be a good all rounder, but current form no idea, he kind of just fell of the earth the last few seasons, he could end up being dudv2.0, lets hope not

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430189by diagoro » Jan 17, 2014 - 05:53 PM PST
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My concern with Hedo is his character and physical stability....both involving his PED use. Look at baseball players, how often do they perform at the same level 'after' a suspension and cleaning up. Add to that, he cheated.

No idea why he haven't dumped Jamison yet. There has to be better choices out there....

                
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Post ID: 430190by diagoro » Jan 17, 2014 - 05:55 PM PST
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Agree about Bynum. Major personality issue, but with Paul and Doc, he might have enough 'parental supervision' to stay in line. Besides, would be nice to have a big with such a good low post game. DJ has next to zero game with his back to the basket.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430530by Icecoldclipper » Jan 18, 2014 - 12:54 AM PST
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Liked the step back by Hedo tonight and he looked energetic. We really could use another C now with post moves.

                
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Post ID: 430532by diagoro » Jan 18, 2014 - 01:00 AM PST
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You mean we could use 'a' center with post moves.....DJ always seems to fake one way than try to dunk it, regardless of how far out he is.

                
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Post ID: 430542by pageC4 » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:06 AM PST
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man, this one broight a smile to my face. I have four kids with ADHD and they literally do all of that

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430552by Silasie » Jan 18, 2014 - 10:49 AM PST
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How did Hedo look/do last night?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hedo Turkoglu to the Clippers Now Official Post ID: 430553by Voyeur » Jan 18, 2014 - 10:52 AM PST
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Very limited minutes, but he didn't look bad. I was shocked frankly, considering how long it took for Jax to hit his first shot.

                
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