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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=20717 If anyone with Insider could post this, it'd be much appreciated, Thanks. ....

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Unless you're big into fantasy basketball or a close follower of the Clippers, it might be easy to overlook the big season DeAndre Jordan is having in his first year under Doc Rivers. But, as NBA.com's stats department pointed via Twitter on Thursday, Jordan is in fact having a breakout season in his sixth year as a pro. Heading into last night's games, Jordan was leading the league in FG% (.649) and rebounds per game (13.5) and was third in blocks per....

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That's great company, Thanks @FightOnRon always helping us out with these.

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Thanks Ron for posting. I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He hates getting physical, and also gets....

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Thanks Ron for posting. I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He hates getting physical, and also gets....

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I agree. I admit he has improved this year, but... I don't see Clips as a championship team unless he continues to work. Am I the only one who notices he has terrible hands; a lot of good passes are dropped out of bounds, and he has to tap out rebounds because he can't control them.
For the Clippers to be a championship type team they NEED continued improvement from DJ AND Blake. Plus a decent back up big. Not sure....

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Hard to criticize the rebounding of the guy who leads the league in rebounding. Might as well say Love and Howard will also get "outhustled unless the ball comes to them" since they're both getting fewer boards in similar minutes (Howard 1 min less, Love 1 min more). Not saying there aren't other holes in his overall game, but the only flaw concerning DJ and rebounding this season is that he's not showing Hollins how to do it. ....

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Hard to criticize the rebounding of the guy who leads the league in rebounding. Might as well say Love and Howard will also get "outhustled unless the ball comes to them" since they're both getting fewer boards in similar minutes (Howard 1 min less, Love 1 min more). Not saying there aren't other holes in his overall game, but the only flaw concerning DJ and rebounding this season is that he's not showing Hollins how to do it.
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Thanks Ron for posting. I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He hates getting physical, and also gets....

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Thanks Ron for posting. I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He hates getting physical, and also gets....

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What does a player have to do to be called "GREAT" defender? Deandre is one of the top DEFENSIVE players in this league! There is a difference between being a DEFENDER and a DEFENSIVE player! A Defender can shut his man down night in and night out! A Defensive players is a players who is always in great help position to Block or Alter shots from other players! Defensive not only means BLOCKING shots but DEFENSIVE rebounding! Deandre right now....

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Some of you remind of those people who continued to say that the world was flat, even after it was proven that it wasn't. DJ has improved every year he has been in the league. He's not just lucky to be a league leader in rebounding. If it was really so easy and luck, then anyone could do it. Just suck it up and admit that you were wrong about DJ and just move past it. It's....

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Some of you remind of those people who continued to say that the world was flat, even after it was proven that it wasn't. DJ has improved every year he has been in the league. He's not just lucky to be a league leader in rebounding. If it was really so easy and luck, then anyone could do it. Just suck it up and admit that you were wrong about DJ and just move past it. It's....

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Some of you remind of those people who continued to say that the world was flat, even after it was proven that it wasn't. DJ has improved every year he has been in the league. He's not just lucky to be a league leader in rebounding. If it was really so easy and luck, then anyone could do it. Just suck it up and admit that you were wrong about DJ and just move past it. It's....

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If I'm wrong, great. Changes my perspective. But at least back yourself with some proof before telling I'm wrong. I never said he's lucky to be rebounding leader. He's rebounding leader because of his crazy athleticism. He can cover so much area in air, that's what I meant by ball coming to him. If he can start being more physical and boxing people out like you're supposed to, then he can be much better. You say DJ's improved every year and he's....

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Sigh.. okay his rebounding improved.

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I actually agree with some of what you said. But the rebounding part isn't true. If you are the top rebounder in the league averaging over 13 per game you are the best rebounder lol. To say every rebounds he gets are the ones that come to him: Isn't true - I've seen him fight every game for rebounds Doesn't make sense considering he is the #1 rebounder in the league. This means that he is the luckiest player in the league.....

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Former NBA Coach, Hubie Brown, said he'll be in the mix for defensive player of the year, but what does he know? ....

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Or how about what Doc Rivers was saying about him in an NBA.com article the other day? I am not sure that I can prove something that apparently you just can't see for yourself? I agree that he's still raw and hasn't reached his full potential. All I am saying is that you still aren't happy with him, then you're impossible to please. ....

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The majority of the rebounds he gets should be called freebies to him. He gets the rebounds simply because he's the tallest, and has great vertical. Howard is same as DJ. Players I respect are guys like Randolph and Love.
Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_04 You're funny... half of Randolph's rebounds are off his own missed shots within 2 feet. He's so f*cking fat, nobody can move him. Love is a great rebounder, no doubt... but how many times does he sacrifice his rebounding position to....

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The majority of the rebounds he gets should be called freebies to him. He gets the rebounds simply because he's the tallest, and has great vertical. Howard is same as DJ. Players I respect are guys like Randolph and Love. They aren't gifted with the athletic abilities like DJ and D12. But they try they're best to fight for position, box players out to get the ball. That's an EARNED rebound. DJ rarely fights for a rebound like these guys do. I....

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Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_04 You're funny... half of Randolph's rebounds are off his own missed shots within 2 feet. He's so f*cking fat, nobody can move him. Love is a great rebounder, no doubt... but how many times does he sacrifice his rebounding position to block shots? ...NEVER, that's how often. And DJ still beats him on the boards. Again... if you're criticizing the league's best rebounder on his rebounding, the problem is with you, not him.
Even LeBron can be criticized for his game. There's....

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Even LeBron can be criticized for his game. There's always room for improvement. Since most of you are very satisfied with DJ playing half his potential, I guess I have problems for wanting him to play to his fullest. I'll say no more, continue the praising.
Dude, don't act like a b!tch... all passive-aggressive and sh!t.. Everybody who disagreed with you said that he has room for improvement, but you calling him out on his rebounding is just flat out wrong... there is....

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Dude, don't act like a b!tch... all passive-aggressive and sh!t.. Everybody who disagreed with you said that he has room for improvement, but you calling him out on his rebounding is just flat out wrong... there is literally NOBODY better at that aspect of the game right now.
I'm talking about rebounding skills. If all the centers in NBA had the same height / athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? Purely relying on athleticism is never good. I....

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Even LeBron can be criticized for his game. There's always room for improvement. Since most of you are very satisfied with DJ playing half his potential, I guess I have problems for wanting him to play to his fullest. I'll say no more, continue the praising.
Saying DJ is the best rebounder in the game isn't praising, it's called not lying. Also maybe saying LBJ needs improvement isn't the best way to get out of debate jam. LBJ needs room for improvement about....

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I'm talking about rebounding skills. If all the centers in NBA had the same height / athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? Purely relying on athleticism is never good. I could care less if a player get 20, 30 rebounds. It's how they get it. I give props to him for tapping out many offensive rebounds, but defensive end ain't so good. And Duncan is better.
Really? YOU could care less? Well, there's no arguing with that logic. Duncan:....

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Saying DJ is the best rebounder in the game isn't praising, it's called not lying. Also maybe saying LBJ needs improvement isn't the best way to get out of debate jam. LBJ needs room for improvement about as much as Mullens needs more touches.
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You still haven't answered this. If all the centers in NBA had the same height / athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? ....

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You still haven't answered this. If all the centers in NBA had the same height / athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder?
And if CP3 could run as fast and Jump as high as Russell Westbrook, we'd be looking at a 3-peat... what's your point? ....

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Forget it. My definition of being a good rebounder is different than yours. Talking about different things in the first place. ....

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Forget it. My definition of being a good rebounder is different than yours. Talking about different things in the first place.
Yeah... stupid DJ... he should get rebounds without jumping. :roll: ....

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Fundamentals > athleticism.

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Fundamentals > athleticism.
When it comes to rebounding this season... it looks to me (and the facts) like you're wrong. ....

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I'm talking about rebounding skills. If all the centers in NBA had the same height / athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? Purely relying on athleticism is never good. I could care less if a player get 20, 30 rebounds. It's how they get it. I give props to him for tapping out many offensive rebounds, but defensive end ain't so good. And Duncan is better.
Oh we're playing the what if game now? ....

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When it truly matters in playoffs he'll struggle against elite teams if he doesn't develop. The facts tell me which teams are first seeds every year. Do only first seeds become champs? ....

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When it truly matters in playoffs he'll struggle against elite teams if he doesn't develop. The facts tell me which teams are first seeds every year. Do only first seeds become champs?
Good point... so how many rings do your boys Randolph and Love have? Timmy's Spurs got a top seed in the West... shame they were just one REBOUND away from being champs. ....

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You still haven't answered this. If all the centers in NBA had the same height / athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder?
K Love is a great rebounder because of his low center of gravity which helps immensely in boxing out. If Kevin Love's legs and body were the same height as DJ, he'd be less effective at the box out because less lower center of gravity means less balance and stability. ....

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Teams win championships, players win awards.

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Teams win championships, players win awards.
So Duncan's MVP's hurt his team? You're a DJ-hating joke. ....

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No individual players can win a championship on their own. Why misinterpret? My definition of good rebounding is having good fundamentals. I say one thing about DJ having poor fundamentals and you call it hate lol. ....

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Sigh.. okay his rebounding improved.
Apparently like most people who wear blinkers you're not looking at ALL the numbers. Sigh. ....

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[quote="Laak"]No individual players can win a championship on their own. Why misinterpret? My definition of good rebounding is having good fundamentals. I say one thing about DJ having poor fundamentals and you call it hate lol. Yeah, if only Shaq had not been so big and heavy... I really wish the NBA was like NASCAR. :roll: ....

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No individual players can win a championship on their own. Why misinterpret? My definition of good rebounding is having good fundamentals. I say one thing about DJ having poor fundamentals and you call it hate lol.
Good fundamentals are great when it's 1955 and everybody in the NBA is a 5'9 white dude. Luckily for everybody except those white dudes Bill Russell got into the league and said "F*ck set shots and pick-n-rolls, I want to out jump every motherf*cker and grab....

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Good fundamentals are great when it's 1955 and everybody in the NBA is a 5'9 white dude. Luckily for everybody except those white dudes Bill Russell got into the league and said "F*ck set shots and pick-n-rolls, I want to out jump every motherf*cker and grab that rebound and run a fast break"
Damn, if the NBA was all about 5' 9" white dudes, I'd be on an MLE contract! Monaaaaaaay!!! ....

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Just said my opinions that's all. Guess they were pretty idiotic huh? lol.

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Damn, if the NBA was all about 5' 9" white dudes, I'd be on an MLE contract! Monaaaaaaay!!!
You might still have a chance on getting signed by the Lakers, they desperatly need......a.....um.....anybody. ....

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You might still have a chance on getting signed by the Lakers, they desperatly need......a.....um.....anybody.
Dude, there are some things I just won't do for money... and playing for the lakers ranks slightly below standing on Santa Monica Blvd in a miniskirt. "Wearing purple and piss always gets me raped" - Pau Gasol ....

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Dude, there are some things I just won't do for money... and playing for the lakers ranks slightly below standing on Santa Monica Blvd in a miniskirt. "Wearing purple and piss always gets me raped" - Pau Gasol
Cleepers, you're my favorite "Bull Dog" and I mean that in the most flattering/positive terms mate....and the wit, oh the wit. He'll slice you up and you won't even notice you're bleeding until you leave the room. Beware all trolls of the "Bull Dog". ....

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