ESPN Insider Request: How DeAndre Jordan Has Improved (P. 2)

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Agent0
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I think it is hard to argue that his rebounding hasn't improved, but the Clippers are still not doing so hot on the glass as a team, but I wouldn't say it is because he isn't doing enough individually. Also, it isn't wrong that DJ grabs a lot of uncontested rebounds, you have to in order to lead the league. Use NBA.com people, they are tracking this stuff: http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingRebounding.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPag e=25 Sure, DJ grabs a lot of uncontested rebounds, but every guy who is going....

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^Nice research as always Agent.

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Thanks, some interesting observations can be made there. http://stats.nba.com/teamLineups.html?TeamID=1610612746&pageNo=1&rowsP erPage=25&MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=Totals&sortField=MIN&sortOrder= DES Let's also look at the teams rebounding. Here's the month to month progression Defensive Rebound Percentage Season: 73.9% November: 75.2% December: 72.7% Janaury: 76.0% League Average: 74.4% Clippers rank: 19th Starting lineup mixes Paul-Green-Dudley-Griffin-Jordan: 81.0% Paul-Redick-Dudley-Griffin-Jordan: 78.6% Paul-Crawford-Dudley-Griffin-Jordan: 76.2% Paul-Crawford-Barnes-Griffin-Jordan: 74.5% With Collison Collision-Redick-Dudley-Griffin-Jordan: 78.6% Collison-Crawford-Dudley-Griffin-Jordan: 72.7% 3 Guard Lineups Paul-Redick-Crawford-Griffin-Jordan: 78.7% Paul-Green-Crawford-Griffin-Jordan: 66.7% Paul-Collison-Crawford-Dudley-Griffin: 64.3% Paul-Collison-Crawford-Griffin-Jordan: 62.0% Full Bench Collison-Crawford-Bullock-Jamison-Hollins - 76.5% Outlier Collison-Crawford-Barnes-Griffin-Jordan - 87.0% (11 games / 24 mins) Redick seems to have a more positive effect on team defensive rebounding than Crawford, both with Paul and Collison at PG, but he's only played 3....

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^Keeping 'em coming Agent, LOL.

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3 guards line up of Paul, Reddick, and Crawford aren't too bad. I can see why the rebound drops when Barnes is on the floor,since he tries to leak out too much. ....

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Yea, that's what I was thinking too. Despite being a good rebounder numbers wise, it is possible that he grabs more uncontested rebounds than a guy like Dudley who would just leave an uncontested rebound for Blake or DJ and focus on boxing out. So while Barnes individual rebounding numbers are better, it is possible that he might not be having as good an impact on the team rebounding if he's leaking out in situations where he should be boxing....

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Doc did like to go with that 3 guard lineup down the stretch of games. Hard to argue with those 3 guys in crunch time. ....

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Well the one with Redick and Crawford has actually rebounded well. It is the ones with Collison-Crawford and Green-Crawford that have been awful. I think we did some Green-Crawford vs Miami where Green was guarding Lebron or something crazy like that. ....

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I love that no one thinks Dudley or barnes should close games.

Our small forwards suck.

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I'm talking about rebounding skills. If all the centers in NBA had the same height / athleticism, do you still think he'd be the best rebounder? Purely relying on athleticism is never good. I could care less if a player get 20, 30 rebounds. It's how they get it. I give props to him for tapping out many offensive rebounds, but defensive end ain't so good. And Duncan is better.
I know what you mean. When you say fundamentals>athleticism, I'll agree....

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I love that no one thinks Dudley or barnes should close games. Our small forwards suck.
we should try getting a small forward from denver or the kings. ....

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if we could get Wilson Chandler, I think would improve our team by quite a bit. Only problem I don't think they would ever trade him to us. ....

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WHen Reddick was injured, DUdley was the one that was hitting our 3s. He had a slump, but remember the Kings game? Overtime missed 5 in a row, CP3 passes, DUdley knocks down the go ahead 3, which put us up by 1. He's the forgotten man now with Reddick back, but he still can shoot. ....

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I love that no one thinks Dudley or barnes should close games. Our small forwards suck.
Dudley has been shooting pretty good lately, he has a true shooting of 63% in January. Dudley has been doing better as the season as progressed which is consistent with slowly recovering from an injury. He's also probably our best perimeter defender. He's worth having out there at crunch time assuming we have someone as our primary shot creator and we always....

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if we could get Wilson Chandler, I think would improve our team by quite a bit. Only problem I don't think they would ever trade him to us.
i wouldn't mind going after randolph or outlaw either ....

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we should try getting a small forward from denver or the kings.
A "big" forward or back up center is what we NEED. Really NEED. ....

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A "big" forward or back up center is what we NEED. Really NEED.
thompson or williams from the kings? with landry coming back soon they might spare one ....

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Thanks Ron for posting. I'm not ready to buy into DJ being a great defender. He's a highlight machine offensive / defensively, but because of these highlights, I think people misinterpret them into him being a top defender in the league. There are so many errors in his defensive game that a few highlight blocks won't make up for. Right now, unless the ball comes to him, DJ will get out-hustled almost every rebound. He hates getting physical, and also gets....

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I know what you mean. When you say fundamentals>athleticism, I'll agree with you on that. I enjoy watching guys like Kenneth Faried, Reggie Evans, Sir Charles, Rodman,Joakim, Vucevic...etc. Those guys are always in a disadvantage yet, they can grab 20+ rebounds. They're smaller or guys like Vucevic aren't blessed with elite athleticism. So yes I love watching them box out and fight for rebounds. I actually look up Reggie Evans 20+ rebs highlights, haha see what I mean, I just....

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thompson or williams from the kings? with landry coming back soon they might spare one
I like that idea. I'm not sure if we have the trade pieces to acquire one of them, but either of them would be an upgrade from Hollins or Mullens. With that said, I would prefer a more defensive minded PF or Center. Williams is too much of a SF/PF tweener and Thompson's not really a great defensive PF. But Hollins and Mullens are pretty awful so....

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I know what you mean. When you say fundamentals>athleticism, I'll agree with you on that. I enjoy watching guys like Kenneth Faried, Reggie Evans, Sir Charles, Rodman,Joakim, Vucevic...etc. Those guys are always in a disadvantage yet, they can grab 20+ rebounds. They're smaller or guys like Vucevic aren't blessed with elite athleticism. So yes I love watching them box out and fight for rebounds. I actually look up Reggie Evans 20+ rebs highlights, haha see what I mean, I just....

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I wouldn't mind seeing Doc experiment with either Thompson or Williams.
exactly what i was thinking. i've always liked williams since he was a rookie. has a lot of potential. imagine what doc and paul could do to him with some time. ....

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Have you guys seen the least rumor That the NBA wants Paul George and DeAndre Jordan to take part in the dunk contest this year. What do you think and were does DJ stand on voting for the all star game? Last thing I saw was he 15 or so. I would say no to the dunk contest because what if he gets hurt and we do not have a big on the team to stand in while he....

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I think DJ was inspired to want to do it while watching EBled last year so he may well go for it. Paul George has already done it or am I getting cofused with someone else? ....

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