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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430864by Agent0 » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:40 PM PST
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Really after getting down 15, there just wasn't enough push left to come back. They had a second wind cutting it down to 9, but on the second night of the back to back, this wasn't the kind of night where the third and fourth to come back and win a game like this was going to happen.

You gotta loose some time, so it's okay, losing to Indiana on the road on the second night of a back to back is one of the more acceptable ways to loose a game.



                
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Post ID: 430865by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:40 PM PST
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Sources say that as soon as Darius Morris's 10-Day expires they will look into Lamar Odom. I think Our Second Unit will do well going with

Jamal Bullock Barnes Turkoglu/Odom - Both Capable Ball Handlers Hollins

I just think we need that 3rd big. It showed tonight.

6-1 trip will be good for us

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430866by Agent0 » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:43 PM PST
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J.J. really struggled tonight. 4/17 for 8 pts, 0-7 3PT, ouch!

Jamal tried his best. To me he was really more like 7/16 FG and 2/5 3PT because he was forced into some desperation shots no one should be taking due to some poor offense

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430867by Voyeur » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:48 PM PST
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Last year JJ averaged just as many points on the road as he did at home. I think it's just a matter of him settling back in. It's great that he was practically on fire coming right off injury, but it did make me wonder if he'd get cold quickly. When that happens, I can't help but wish he'd go for some elbow jumpers. But he's a shooter, so far be it for me to offer advice.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430868by clipperharry » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:48 PM PST
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Even docs after gm interview sounded like he was annoyed on the pacers actions during the win (no class ) way to go doc

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430869by comeONcraig » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:50 PM PST
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I still think Blake needs to develop that killer instinct, especially with CP out.

                
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Post ID: 430870by Voyeur » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:51 PM PST
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Hard to do when you're getting doubled. And it's too much to ask him to nail Kevin Durant style jumpers...at least at this stage.

Blake's been awesome while Paul's been out, so he gets a pass on this one as far as I'm concerned.

                
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Post ID: 430871by gman » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:53 PM PST
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What did he say?

                
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Post ID: 430872by comeONcraig » Jan 18, 2014 - 08:56 PM PST
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true, definitely agree. I'd just like to see Blake be more vocal, but I certainly can't complain about him.

                
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No doubt we missed Paul's play making tonight. But no excuses. Let's take the next one.

                
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we have been doing well considering Chris's absence. however we don't have a good record against the league's elite. we do need a backup big and a better small forward. we can't expect this squad as currently constituted to make it past the second round.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430875by cleepers » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:00 PM PST
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I can live with JJ not making 3's, but when he stops taking them it screws up the offense. Would have liked to see what Jamison or even (can't believe I'm saying this) Mullens could have done to draw their big guys away from the hoop to clear space for Blake and Collison in the second half. Down by 20, there's not much to lose.

Thought Willie could have maybe been useful, too. I'm a little disappointed in our lack of any adjustments at all.

                
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Post ID: 430876by jarca » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:01 PM PST
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Zero interest in Bynum?

                
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Post ID: 430877by ClipsGForce » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:02 PM PST
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I definitely have Lamar Odom over Bynum's head case.

                
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We've beaten SAS, GSW, HOU and OKC. So we've beaten the elite. We just need everyone back and healthy and playing like we know they can play.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430879by ClipsGForce » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:03 PM PST
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Man, I'm still fuming over that we pick Aminu over Paul George. The could haves.

                
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Post ID: 430880by clipperharry » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:05 PM PST
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he. was asked if he thought the pacers where a really good team and he said ," ya there good but we have a really good team too !! I love that answer he stated how bad we played and what we did wrong and how to imporve !! I believe his tone of voice was like ( the pacer showed no class with the win !!

                
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Post ID: 430881by itsLuigi » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:16 PM PST
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wouldnt mind going after chris copeland he's just waisting away on that bench

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430882by Icecoldclipper » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:25 PM PST
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With Dudley playing so little last game I was hoping he would be more of the go to guy. Dudley should of been more aggressive and the team should of let him have 10+ shots.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430883by WinningBasket » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:26 PM PST
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The Pacers' showboating was really absurd. Sure it's great to be ecstatic and all of that, but it just struck me as obnoxious. I may have thick homer glasses on, but when the Clippers do those exciting lobs and jams, it's all part of the rhythm of the game and I haven't seen too many showboating antics. Although Pacers' fans loved it, Lance Stephenson and Paul George were just over the top and classless.

                
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Post ID: 430884by MunoValente » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:32 PM PST
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Paul George probably would have just gone New Orleans in the trade Paul instead, so not much would have changed for us.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430885by Icecoldclipper » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:33 PM PST
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Come on guys we all know the guys have done some sick dunks in blowouts. It happens its a shame we don't get another shot at them but this was suspected.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430886by gman » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:39 PM PST
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Well, Clippers not only lost this game, but had some minor injures. Collison with a left big toe sprain, JJ with a left knee contusion, and Barnes with a left thumb jammed.

                
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Post ID: 430887by MunoValente » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:40 PM PST
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He's really struggled in back to backs all year, earlier in the year I kind of wanted us to bench him on back to backs the way Spurs rest guys sometimes. I don't know what his health is like right now, but earlier in year it was apparent he was struggling on the road and on short rest. This problem is unique to this year for him though, in the past his splits weren't so severe, so it likely is linked to whatever is going on with him physically.

Our best chance to win was an ugly defensive game, but they did a really good job moving off the ball and running our tried legs into the ground and getting easy scores.

                
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Post ID: 430888by WinningBasket » Jan 18, 2014 - 09:44 PM PST
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Dang. I hope all three can heal in time for Monday's game.

                
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Post ID: 430889by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 18, 2014 - 10:12 PM PST
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Wow that sucks.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430890by clipperharry » Jan 18, 2014 - 10:43 PM PST
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That does suck we will be fine !! No worries

                
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Post ID: 430891by clipperboy24 » Jan 18, 2014 - 11:02 PM PST
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Not just back to backs.

It was a horrible defensive effort by the whole team (dj looked decent, like how he attached the rim),especially at the end of the 1st and beginning of the 2nd.

One thing that is frustrating is how when we start to get back after being down big the team relies too much on 3's instead of attacking the rim and letting that open up outside shots. Right now it's just too much reliance on jump shooting instead of utilizing and executing more plays, especially play designed for dj and Blake.

                
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Post ID: 430892by clipperboy24 » Jan 18, 2014 - 11:04 PM PST
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I would say go with odom in the middle, he is a better rebounder and defender and can handle the ball. Would be an upgrade across the board.

                
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Despite the first Half, we played pretty good, seems as though that 5 minute stretch from the end of the 1st to the start of the second quarter pretty much did us in, I think the Combination of Darius Morris, Ryan Hollins, and J.J. Shooting lost this one for us. But I didn't mind J.J. shooting he was giving maximum Effort and he just missed shots he normally makes, witch happens to the best of them, But we must play hard all 48 while Cp3 is out and Smart two, I don't think we did that tonight.

                
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I don't know if anyone remembers but Odom went 4 for 22 on a stretch, and turned the ball over a lot. Hedo is good

                
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Post ID: 430895by clipperboy24 » Jan 18, 2014 - 11:56 PM PST
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Yeah, that 5 minute stretch was very painful to watch.

As for darius, he was out of the league for a reason. I would like to see us sign a vet facilitator like jamaal tinsley who doesn't need to score but can just feed our bigs and shooters.

                
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Post ID: 430896by clipperboy24 » Jan 18, 2014 - 11:59 PM PST
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I was saying odom over hollins. I like the hedo signing. It's easy to forget what a big guy he is because he is playing like a guard or sf but he has the body of a regular nba big.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430898by kjavis » Jan 19, 2014 - 12:33 AM PST
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we looked real slow and soft tonight and possibly attribute that to the back to back, but how does a player like PG get so many open looks? our wing defense is really lacking and it showed horribly this game

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430899by david » Jan 19, 2014 - 01:33 AM PST
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Just watched the game. Well, Clippers got out to a nice start, but only scored 3 points in the final 6 minutes of the 1st quarter, and that was the beginning of the end, literally I suppose. DJ was the best Clipper performer tonight as he was extremely active. But everyone else- just not as sharp.

As the PG, Darren Collison needs to stop shooting jumpers early in the shot clock, and I don't know what he was doing challenging the top NBA shot-blocker. And if Blake Griffin is being guarded by Danny Granger- get him the effin ball, please. Turnovers by Darren really hurt as well.

Blake needed to be a little more assertive inside. Couple times the ball went into him in the post, and the Pacer perimeter player faked a double, and he quickly threw the ball out even though the double never did come. He also settled too much for outside shots. If Redick is open, you'd much rather that Blake throw it out to him instead of shooting the jumper himself. Overall a good effort by Blake though being the true focal point of the offense.

JJ Redick obviously a very poor shooting game. Missing open 3's- okay, BUT, like Collison he tried to challenge Hibbert with poor results. He would get chased off of the open jumper, but did poorly trying to convert floaters. Even with slight openings, JJ hesitated to shoot at times with George on him as he was concerned about defender's length. He did better if he decided to just pull up for the mid-range before getting too close to the basket. So JJ vs the Pacers should just keep running and running until he gets the open jumper, because he will. No more runners, please.

With George, the guy just makes so many tough shots. But the best chance is to put Barnes on him. Dudley has some length, but just not enough defensive toughness and savvy to slow him George down. Also Dudley is so slow that he just doesn't match up well with George or Granger if they decide to drive.

BTW Lance Stevenson cracks me up. He really thinks he's something, and gets all upset if his teammate doesn't give him the ball when he thinks he should have gotten it. Poses, flexes whenever he thinks he makes a special basket or play. roll WTH? Full of dirty tricks as well. In fact, many of the Pacers would just shove you, esp. down low, and hope the refs don't catch it.

Next time the Clippers play them, hopefully the guys play smarter, shoot like they normally shoot, and they will win.

                
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Post ID: 430901by toohipcliptoslip » Jan 19, 2014 - 05:37 AM PST
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WE got beaten by arguably the best team in the league with the best home record. As far as BG they clogged the paint pretty good but our shooters were just shooting and not hitting although their defense was tough. That of course doesn't mean they will always be the best

DJ is showing why he should be considered in the all star balloting. This is why DJ needs to have at least some offensive threat although I'm not complaining by a centilla it Hibbert would have a hard time defending DJ, although shorter DJ is faster and more athletic. If his foul shooting is 50% it becomes viable. I'm still waiting for his jumper. I hope I don't have to eat crow

Ralph said that Bynum is going here or Miami. Does he know something? Odom says he wants to be a Clipper in Jan??

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430902by Silasie » Jan 19, 2014 - 05:40 AM PST
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^^ Lance Stevenson is a real idiot.............all ego no class.

                
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Post ID: 430903by ClipperPostman » Jan 19, 2014 - 05:46 AM PST
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I disagree... I don't see how PG's 360 windmill is any different than Crawford through the legs oop to blake griffin windmill.

                
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Post ID: 430905by toohipcliptoslip » Jan 19, 2014 - 05:49 AM PST
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You forgot. He has talent. Class doesn't win games unless of course you get outclassed

                
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Post ID: 430906by Silasie » Jan 19, 2014 - 05:51 AM PST
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I wonder if the knee contusion was throwing JJ off?

                
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Post ID: 430907by ClipperPostman » Jan 19, 2014 - 05:56 AM PST
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That's definitely a possibility. Because some of his misses were short which is usually caused by fatigue or not getting enough lift. Knee might have hindered his jumping ability.

                
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Post ID: 430908by Silasie » Jan 19, 2014 - 07:15 AM PST
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I presume you are talking about Stevenson. Yes he has talent but my comment was about him as a person rather than as a player. If you have talent you don't have to act like a d*ck. Swaggy P has talent.

                
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Post ID: 430910by pageC4 » Jan 19, 2014 - 10:30 AM PST
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I guess we disagree on what teams we consider the elite. I certainly wouldn't put GSW and Houston on that list. The elite in the league in my opinion are OKC, Portland, San Antonio, Miami, and Indiana. We are 1-1 against OKC (with that win coming controversially because Ibaka was ejected), 0-1 against Portland, 1-1 against San Antonio, 0-1 against Miami, and 0-2 against the Pacers. You are correct in that we have technically beaten the elite but our overall record is 2-6...not very good. My post was hyperbole of course on not being able to beat elite teams, but the record doesn't look good. It is enough to make me think that we do need to make some changes. Arash Markazi brings up a good article on the matter. While he raises some great points and Doc does too I disagree with the notion that Losses to league's best not an indicator. Doc Rivers was quoted as saying "Our team's key is growth, not change." I have to disagree with Doc on this one. While he has made this team a very decent defensive team we just have to come to terms that we have some things we need to change to beat the elite because in my opinion a championship should be our goal.


By Arash Markazi

INDIANAPOLIS -- Time will tell if the Los Angeles Clippers, as currently constructed, are good enough to win an NBA championship.

Everyone has an opinion.

But Doc Rivers, who doubles as head coach and senior vice president of basketball operations, likes what he has seen so far despite being 0-5 against the top five teams in the league on the road this season. Saturday's 106-92 loss to the Indiana Pacers was the latest blemish on that record.

"You do look at the Miamis and Indianas and all the other teams that are good, but you can't use that as your measuring stick, completely," Doc Rivers said in explaining the Clippers' 2-6 record versus the NBA's top five teams. "I like our team," Rivers said Saturday. "That doesn't mean we won't make changes. We're not looking to make changes, but we're always looking just like every other team. I like our team right now. If the season ended and we had the group we have right now, I like how we look. Obviously, I'd add Chris Paul to that group -- but other than that I like our team a lot."

Rivers didn't want to make excuses for his team's inability to beat the best teams in the league on the road this season, but schedule makers certainly didn't do the Clippers any favors. Not only are they on their second two-week trip this season, but all five loses against the Miami Heat, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs, Portland Trail Blazers and Pacers have come on the second night of a road back-to-back.

When Rivers was asked after the game how he could gauge his team against the league's elite with the scheduling quirk he said, "You don't."

"I don't judge them on that," Rivers said. "It's hard. It's impossible. We're playing them on a back-to-back and Indiana could be doing it on another night. You just want to be good every night. You do look at the Miamis and Indianas and all the other teams that are good, but you can't use that as your measuring stick, completely."

It's understandable to look at the Clippers' record against the league's top five teams -- 2-6 overall, including home games -- and point to that as a reason why they aren't quite contenders yet. But the truth is the regular season is a collection of 82 singular games that don't translate well when trying to measure a team's ability to win in the postseason.

If the Clippers do end up playing the likes of Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma City, San Antonio or Portland in the playoffs, they won't be playing in Orlando, New York, Memphis, Dallas or Oakland the night before. That might not necessarily equate to a win, but it's hard to take the Clippers out of the contender category and put them in the pretender pile based on those five losses.

Blake Griffin didn't seem overly concerned with the losses in November, December and January, hoping to avenge those shortcomings in April, May and June.

"It's disappointing. You'd much rather have wins at all those places," Griffin said. "But we'll take those wins on the road come playoffs. That's really our biggest goal."

The one thing Rivers and the Clippers will not do this season is make any drastic changes to the team based off L.A.'s record against the league's best teams. Rivers believes the Clippers are a contender with the group they have and need more time together rather than more change.

"Our team's key is growth, not change," Rivers said. "Obviously, if there was a change that you can make to help your team you would do it, but I like our team."

Rivers has often been asked to compare this Clippers team to the 2008 Boston Celtics team he coached to a championship. That team had the "Big Three" of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.

Before this season started, Rivers raised some eyebrows by saying the Clippers also had a "Big Three" in Paul, Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. Before the 2013-14 season, Jordan had done little to be included in that type of conversation, but he now leads the NBA in rebounds (13.5) and field goal percentage (63.7 percent) and is third in blocks (2.5).

"The first year with the 'Big Three' [in Boston], I honestly thought we'd get off slowly," Rivers said. "I was pushing them to get off to a good start and we got off to a crazy start, it was like 24-2. I didn't expect that and it never stopped. It was just one of those years where we went through the league.

"When we got to the playoffs, I was concerned because we didn't have a two-game losing streak the entire season. And that's scary when you go into the playoffs and you haven't been tested, because what happens when we have some adversity?"

This Clippers team is currently facing adversity, playing without Paul for six weeks after he separated his right shoulder. But Rivers believes the Clippers will be a stronger team later this season and in the postseason for playing through these challenges and trusting in their system.

"Your system is always tested," Rivers said. "When you're winning, everybody credits your system. And when you lose a couple of games, they don't like the system anymore. It's a yearlong buy-in and through the playoffs and through the adversity you have to go through a lot. [Pat Riley] used to say you have to go through something to get something, and there's a lot of truth to that." http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/clippers/print?id=5746

                
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^ Yeah, but c'mon. We probably beat Indiana at home if it wasn't the day after we lose JJ. Portland? Just like this game, it's the 2nd of a back-to-back on the road. Miami? ALSO the second of a back-to-back on the road. And look how valiantly we fought in both those games. Face it, we've had some bad luck with our schedule and injuries to very key players.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430914by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 19, 2014 - 11:07 AM PST
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We loss to Portland on a b2b on the road just barely without Redick. We loss to Indiana b2b on the road without CP3. We loss to Indiana at home just when Redick got injured. Miami was also b2b on the road and so was our game against the Thunder.

The odds were stacked very against us in many of these matchups. All of them except one were road games and most of them were b2b and with us missing at least one key player.

                
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There are definitely some factors to consider when analyzing a loss. I agree with you that back to back games do take a toll, but at some point we have to get a win against those teams. Last night we started off hot and were ahead, so the potential is there. Add to that David West was ejected pretty early and we just couldn't capitalize on it. We just aren't at that level yet to beat the elite, and I honestly don't think any growth by our players will change that as the season goes on. We are very close to being elite: one decent back up big, and a better small forward can get us there. changes just have to be made though.

                
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Post ID: 430918by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 19, 2014 - 11:16 AM PST
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Were missing CP3 on a b2b against a team with only one loss at home. Pretty much an expected loss. Take Miami or the Thunder and put them in the same circumstances without their best player and they will lose 90 times out of a 100.

The reason why you can't put too much weight into these type of matchups like Doc said is because of the schedule and injuries. In the playoffs you will never play b2b games on the road and hopefully all of our players will be healthy come playoff time.

I agree though we need a better backup big and a better small forward (or at least Dudley and Barnes have to play better than they are now).

                
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Post ID: 430919by Voyeur » Jan 19, 2014 - 11:18 AM PST
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I'm sorry, it's unrealistic to ask a team to ignore those factors I've mentioned. We have a better chance at Indiana if we have our leader in the lineup. OR we have a better chance if we have a day of rest between games. To ask any team to overcome both disadvantages is nice in theory, but not likely. Would Portland be able to beat Indiana on a second of a back-to-back without Lillard? I'm not sure the Spurs would be able to without Parker or if OKC could do it without Westbrook.

                
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Post ID: 430920by pageC4 » Jan 19, 2014 - 11:19 AM PST
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His antics remind me of Bazemore from Golden State

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers @ Pacers Game Thread 2014-01-18 Post ID: 430926by clipperharry » Jan 19, 2014 - 12:16 PM PST
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No class + an entitlement attutude will = no ring period !! There is a difference between entitlement and hard work !! Doc is correct how he is coaching this team !! Screw off espn / TNT/TBS/ / nba channel / sir Charles who doesn't have a ring / this team will put it together mark my words !!

                
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