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Post ID: 431172by pageC4 » Jan 20, 2014 - 02:28 PM PST
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Doc the injury excuse is just letting him off the hook. By his own admission Dudley acknowledged he has been playing terrible. Also, he's not averaging 9 points. Dudley is at 8.7 PPG and that will likely go down after tonight http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/12/13/tweet-of-the-night-jared-dudle y-rips-himself-for-being-terrible-all-season-long/



                
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Post ID: 431192by DocHollywood » Jan 20, 2014 - 02:48 PM PST
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Letting him off the hook? He couldn't even bend at the knee hardly for months. He acknowledged he was playing terrible when he was still hurt and not himself. He's noticeably improved now and we all can see that if we're honest. 8.7 vs 10: Is this a really big deal to you apparently? If he had been healthy, ok, that's a fair concern. Injured though, come on man. What did you expect him to join a new team while hurt and play to his averages? Illogical at best.

                
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Post ID: 431197by tense2 » Jan 20, 2014 - 03:01 PM PST
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And despite his injury and inconsistency he's still shooting at an above average % for a SF (before today's game...450/.379). He just doesn't take enough shots for my taste.

                
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Post ID: 431198by clipperboy24 » Jan 20, 2014 - 03:10 PM PST
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Glad I could bring some entertainment because we know Dudley won't Smile

                
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Post ID: 431199by DocHollywood » Jan 20, 2014 - 03:11 PM PST
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Agreed. He only played 18 minutes today but went 3/3 for 7 pts. He's getting his 8.7ppg playing only 28mpg. He has such a nice shot Doc needs to make a point of having Jared catch and shoot more. Btw, he went from 32% beyond the arc to 38.3% in the five weeks since his self critical tweets. He's shooting excellent now just like we all knew he would based on his career averages right? Lol

                
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Post ID: 431209by Agent0 » Jan 20, 2014 - 04:04 PM PST
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I think there are better things to criticize Dudley about than missed layups. He's shooting 62% on layups this season, that's actually kinda good. Everyone misses some layups, but we can't act like he's doing poorly in that regard.

I think you might have too high expectations of basketball teams in general. Even the best teams have "fluke" games and "almost lose" certain games, that isn't really something to get too worried about unless it starts to happen too often. If it starts to happen to often, then most likely this team isn't a 29-14 team, but they are, so it's fine. Can't really get too worried about things like that. Teams like Minny and Dallas are good teams and teams one can't expect to just go and destroy or have no competition in a game against them.

                
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Post ID: 431211by Agent0 » Jan 20, 2014 - 04:07 PM PST
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His PPG going down in a game in which he played 18 minutes and scored 7 points is a pretty weird thing to mention.

Just like we previously said that we can't judge a player solely on percentages, we also can't make our primary mode of judging a player be their PPG. Everything requires context, and 7 pts in 18 minutes is higher than Dudley's current scoring rate for the season, so we can't really complain about that one and say "well he didn't score 10+ pts", well, no, duh, he played 18 minutes.

Also we have to be careful with the correlation vs causation issues with record when he scores >10 pts. I think that is an interesting observation, but we would have to look into the why and more than just the basic correlation. For example, he scored 10 pts in an 11 pt win against Philly on 4/15 FG and 1/8 3PT, so obviously his point total wasn't a determining factor in the win.

Then you have to say, maybe he scores more against the weaker defensive teams who aren't as able to contain penetration and stay on shooters, so what we are actually seeing is that Dudley is able to get more open shots against weaker defenses and therefore scorer more points. Maybe I shouldn't say weaker defenses, just in general, when the shot creators / the offense is able to break down the defense more effectively, Dudley get's more and better looks and scores more.

So in that case it would be less about him just scoring more, and more about the fact that the offenses ability to break down certain defenses more effectively results in more points for Dudley. So when the offense as a whole is firing on all cylinders, Dudley is also looking good.

...with that said, I think we can conclude that in general if Dudley is getting up more shots and scoring more points, it means that the teams offense is clicking better and working more efficiently, and therefore it is a good thing. Now, we can't stretch that and say Dudley scoring 10+ pts in itself is the key to those wins because his scoring is more likely a product of the play of others to get him those shots.

                
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Post ID: 431215by DocHollywood » Jan 20, 2014 - 04:14 PM PST
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Every time Ralph says "Bingo!" after our best 3 point shooter drills it, I'm entertained.

                
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Post ID: 431226by pageC4 » Jan 20, 2014 - 05:40 PM PST
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Despite what criticisms I have of the guy it seems as if you have criteria to defend him as well. Then all i can say now is that we disagree on Dudley and the criteria of evaluation. I can tell you right now that we both see completely differently on this issue. You are welcome to your opinion.

                
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Post ID: 431229by clipperboy24 » Jan 20, 2014 - 05:55 PM PST
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For sure me too. The boneheaded plays are what kill me

                
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Post ID: 431230by tense2 » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:10 PM PST
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And his knee getting to a 90% healthily status seems to coincide with that better shooting...hmmm.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers Post ID: 431233by DocHollywood » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:21 PM PST
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I don't love Dudley's overall play as a starter, but his shooting is needed on this team. I'd be all for packaging Jamal and Barnes for a strong $8mil starting 3, but of course it would have to be one hell of an upgrade to justify dumping those two. Dudley would be great off the bench and for spreading the floor against certain teams. Jamal is either great or awful every night, and I'm ok with trading him for the right player.

                
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Post ID: 431235by jarca » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:33 PM PST
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And then losing his starting spot hmmm,

                
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Post ID: 431236by tense2 » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:39 PM PST
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For THIS game..ok.

Oh and as to WHY Doc was "experimenting" with that change: http://www.nba.com/clippers/video/playlist/lacdet-12014

                
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Post Subject: RE: Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers Post ID: 431237by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:41 PM PST
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PLEASE STOP THE TRADE JAMAL CRAP. How many teams have a player that can create his own shot every possession. I do not think you want to give that up.

Only player I would even consider trading would be.

Jared Dudley Matt Barnes Antawn Jamison Ryan Hollins Byron Mullens Willie Green Maybe Reggie Bullock

As far as anyone else. I WOULDNT DARE MOVE.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers Post ID: 431239by Icecoldclipper » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:50 PM PST
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Interesting to see how everything works out with Bullock. Does he sitand wait for injuries or is something else in mind? Hedo seems to be the new 4 man with Jamison here and there so it will be hard to see where he fits.

Maybe we get Crawford more at backup one spot and Bullock at the two.

                
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Post ID: 431244by DocHollywood » Jan 20, 2014 - 07:08 PM PST
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Notice the words I used when discussing a trade involving Jamal: We would have to get a great player in return. I respect if you're against the idea, but there's nothing fecal about it lol. The shots he creates are often garbage where a little ball movement would have worked equal or better at getting a decent shot up. We have a guy named Chris Paul we can use for all of our "Vinny ball" needs, which should be few and far between if we're playing decently smart basketball. Chris Paul is one of the best in the league at scoring on isos, better than Jamal by the numbers.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers Post ID: 431248by cleepers » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:11 PM PST
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I wonder how many championship, conference championship or even conference finalist teams have started a #25 pick rookie. I'll bet it's a very small number, if any, and I'll bet that the number of teams that have done it through choice (not necessity) is even smaller.

                
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Post ID: 431251by letitbled » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:16 PM PST
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probably more than have started Jared Dudley.

                
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Post ID: 431254by tense2 » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:23 PM PST
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Good answer. roll

                
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Post ID: 431256by Agent0 » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:30 PM PST
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LOL, you do realize that Dudley has only been a majority starter 3 seasons in his career (the last three) and that there is a 25th pick every single year? Of course if Dudley starting is the limiting factor of a teams success, they probably have bigger problems.

http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-pic ... ll/250509/

...but I think Dudley is tied at zero with 25th picks starting in their rookie year on championship caliber teams.

                
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Post ID: 431258by CapsNClips » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:35 PM PST
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Manu Ginobili, that's all I can think of, but Manu defies logic and Bullock will never be Manu no matter how hard he tries.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers Post ID: 431262by Agent0 » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:41 PM PST
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"Rookie". Ginobili came to the NBA at 25 years old and came off the bench as a rookie, so even Ginobili wasn't starting as a rookie on a high level team, but he played 20.7 MPG. There should be some low pick that has started on a high level team though; we are talking about a good amount of players here, so yea it should have happened.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers Post ID: 431264by Greenmonk94 » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:46 PM PST
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Reggie is decent and has not proven yet.. Barnes and dudley have proven themselves. Nuff said

                
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Post Subject: RE: Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers Post ID: 431265by tense2 » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:48 PM PST
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As good (well seasoned player before he got into the NBA) Manu was, he only started 5 games out of the 69 he played in that championship year for the Spurs.

Cassel, as the 24th pick for the Rockets played a lot, but only started 6 games that year.

Those are the only 2 I can think of regarding NBA champ teams.

                
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Post ID: 431293by cleepers » Jan 21, 2014 - 01:30 AM PST
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By that logic, we should replace CP3, Blake and DJ in the starting lineup with late first-round rookies, too.

You must be an incredibly fast typist to get your posts up before your brain has even had time to consider the foolishness of their content.

                
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Post ID: 431296by toohipcliptoslip » Jan 21, 2014 - 05:40 AM PST
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"No rookies on the wood" Don Nelson

Rookie + playoff = no playoffs

                
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Post Subject: RE: Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers Post ID: 434438by marten81 » Feb 03, 2014 - 10:28 AM PST
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Why isn't reggie going to the d-league.. he would learn so much more than he could on the end of the bench..

                
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Post ID: 434441by MunoValente » Feb 03, 2014 - 11:00 AM PST
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Maybe after Paul comes back this wouldn't be a bad idea. Right now Bullock is a bottom of the bench filler in case we have injury, but between Vujacic and Paul, he might even crunched for a spot on the active roster.

I don't him not playing has anything do with him being a rookie, Rivers has played plenty of rookies in the past.

                
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