Reggie Bullock Should Start For The Clippers (P. 2)

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pageC4
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Doc the injury excuse is just letting him off the hook. By his own admission Dudley acknowledged he has been playing terrible. Also, he's not averaging 9 points. Dudley is at 8.7 PPG and that will likely go down after tonight

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Letting him off the hook? He couldn't even bend at the knee hardly for months. He acknowledged he was playing terrible when he was still hurt and not himself. He's noticeably improved now and we all can see that if we're honest. 8.7 vs 10: Is this a really big deal to you apparently? If he had been healthy, ok, that's a fair concern. Injured though, come on man. What did you expect him to join a new team while hurt and play to his averages? Illogical at best.

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And despite his injury and inconsistency he's still shooting at an above average % for a SF (before today's game...450/.379). He just doesn't take enough shots for my taste.

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Glad I could bring some entertainment because we know Dudley won't Smile

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Agreed. He only played 18 minutes today but went 3/3 for 7 pts. He's getting his 8.7ppg playing only 28mpg. He has such a nice shot Doc needs to make a point of having Jared catch and shoot more. Btw, he went from 32% beyond the arc to 38.3% in the five weeks since his self critical tweets. He's shooting excellent now just like we all knew he would based on his career averages right? Lol

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I think there are better things to criticize Dudley about than missed layups. He's shooting 62% on layups this season, that's actually kinda good. Everyone misses some layups, but we can't act like he's doing poorly in that regard.

I think you might have too high expectations of basketball teams in general. Even the best teams have "fluke" games and "almost lose" certain games, that isn't really something to get too worried about unless it starts to happen too often. If it starts to happen to often, then most likely this team isn't a 29-14 team, but they are, so it's fine. Can't really get too worried about things like that. Teams like Minny and Dallas are good teams and teams one can't expect to just go and destroy or have no competition in a game against them.

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His PPG going down in a game in which he played 18 minutes and scored 7 points is a pretty weird thing to mention.

Just like we previously said that we can't judge a player solely on percentages, we also can't make our primary mode of judging a player be their PPG. Everything requires context, and 7 pts in 18 minutes is higher than Dudley's current scoring rate for the season, so we can't really complain about that one and say "well he didn't score 10+ pts", well, no, duh, he played 18 minutes.

Also we have to be careful with the correlation vs causation issues with record when he scores >10 pts. I think that is an interesting observation, but we would have to look into the why and more than just the basic correlation. For example, he scored 10 pts in an 11 pt win against Philly on 4/15 FG and 1/8 3PT, so obviously his point total wasn't a determining factor in the win.

Then you have to say, maybe he scores more against the weaker defensive teams who aren't as able to contain penetration and stay on shooters, so what we are actually seeing is that Dudley is able to get more open shots against weaker defenses and therefore scorer more points. Maybe I shouldn't say weaker defenses, just in general, when the shot creators / the offense is able to break down the defense more effectively, Dudley get's more and better looks and scores more.

So in that case it would be less about him just scoring more, and more about the fact that the offenses ability to break down certain defenses more effectively results in more points for Dudley. So when the offense as a whole is firing on all cylinders, Dudley is also looking good.

...with that said, I think we can conclude that in general if Dudley is getting up more shots and scoring more points, it means that the teams offense is clicking better and working more efficiently, and therefore it is a good thing. Now, we can't stretch that and say Dudley scoring 10+ pts in itself is the key to those wins because his scoring is more likely a product of the play of others to get him those shots.

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Every time Ralph says "Bingo!" after our best 3 point shooter drills it, I'm entertained.

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Despite what criticisms I have of the guy it seems as if you have criteria to defend him as well. Then all i can say now is that we disagree on Dudley and the criteria of evaluation. I can tell you right now that we both see completely differently on this issue. You are welcome to your opinion.

clipperboy24
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For sure me too. The boneheaded plays are what kill me

tense2
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And his knee getting to a 90% healthily status seems to coincide with that better shooting...hmmm.

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I don't love Dudley's overall play as a starter, but his shooting is needed on this team. I'd be all for packaging Jamal and Barnes for a strong $8mil starting 3, but of course it would have to be one hell of an upgrade to justify dumping those two. Dudley would be great off the bench and for spreading the floor against certain teams. Jamal is either great or awful every night, and I'm ok with trading him for the right player.

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And then losing his starting spot hmmm,

tense2
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For THIS game..ok.

Oh and as to WHY Doc was "experimenting" with that change:

http://www.nba.com/clippers/video/playlist/lacdet-12014

ClipperKyle32
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PLEASE STOP THE TRADE JAMAL CRAP. How many teams have a player that can create his own shot every possession. I do not think you want to give that up. Only player I would even consider....

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Icecoldclipper
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Interesting to see how everything works out with Bullock. Does he sitand wait for injuries or is something else in mind? Hedo seems to be the new 4 man with Jamison here and there so it will be hard to see where he fits.

Maybe we get Crawford more at backup one spot and Bullock at the two.

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Notice the words I used when discussing a trade involving Jamal: We would have to get a great player in return. I respect if you're against the idea, but there's nothing fecal about it lol. The shots he creates are often garbage where a little ball movement would have worked equal or better at getting a decent shot up. We have a guy named Chris Paul we can use for all of our "Vinny ball" needs, which should be few and far between if we're playing decently smart basketball. Chris Paul is one of the best in the league at scoring on isos, better than Jamal by the numbers.

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I wonder how many championship, conference championship or even conference finalist teams have started a #25 pick rookie. I'll bet it's a very small number, if any, and I'll bet that the number of teams that have done it through choice (not necessity) is even smaller.

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probably more than have started Jared Dudley.

tense2
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Good answer. roll

Agent0
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LOL, you do realize that Dudley has only been a majority starter 3 seasons in his career (the last three) and that there is a 25th pick every single year? Of course if Dudley starting is the limiting factor of a teams success, they probably have bigger problems.

http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-pic ... ll/250509/

...but I think Dudley is tied at zero with 25th picks starting in their rookie year on championship caliber teams.

CapsNClips
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Manu Ginobili, that's all I can think of, but Manu defies logic and Bullock will never be Manu no matter how hard he tries.

Agent0
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"Rookie". Ginobili came to the NBA at 25 years old and came off the bench as a rookie, so even Ginobili wasn't starting as a rookie on a high level team, but he played 20.7 MPG. There should be some low pick that has started on a high level team though; we are talking about a good amount of players here, so yea it should have happened.

Greenmonk94
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Reggie is decent and has not proven yet.. Barnes and dudley have proven themselves. Nuff said

tense2
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As good (well seasoned player before he got into the NBA) Manu was, he only started 5 games out of the 69 he played in that championship year for the Spurs.

Cassel, as the 24th pick for the Rockets played a lot, but only started 6 games that year.

Those are the only 2 I can think of regarding NBA champ teams.

cleepers
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By that logic, we should replace CP3, Blake and DJ in the starting lineup with late first-round rookies, too.

You must be an incredibly fast typist to get your posts up before your brain has even had time to consider the foolishness of their content.

toohipcliptoslip
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"No rookies on the wood" Don Nelson

Rookie + playoff = no playoffs

marten81
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Why isn't reggie going to the d-league.. he would learn so much more than he could on the end of the bench..

MunoValente
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Maybe after Paul comes back this wouldn't be a bad idea. Right now Bullock is a bottom of the bench filler in case we have injury, but between Vujacic and Paul, he might even crunched for a spot on the active roster.

I don't him not playing has anything do with him being a rookie, Rivers has played plenty of rookies in the past.

clipperboy24
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I think it's reasonable to bring this thread up instead of starting a new one. Barnes is a bench player, always has been always should be. Hopefully doc gives reggie the PT and lets him develop.

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We need our own D-League affiliate instead of sharing ours with like 20 other teams. That way we could actually use it to develop players for our system and test out plays/strategies that the big-league team could end up using down the road.

Laak
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This team's in win now mode, not development mode. In a couple of years Reggie would be better than Barnes, but not now. Barnes has a much higher basketball IQ.

Plus, just having him training daily with NBA players is part of development.

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It could hurt to play Reggie. He did very welll against Utah. Smile

ClipperDB
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I root for Reggie, just as a football fan roots for 2nd string QB. However, in both games he was totally lost on defense. Also, on offense he just runs to corner and stands still. That is why he had so few shot attempts last game - he is easy to guard. I was hoping during the summer he would work on his dribbling so he could add a dimension to his game, but I don't see it.

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Reggie starting? NO. He's clueless on defense to where DJ of all people was yelling at him last game. He still looks lost like a rookie out there. Matt Barnes starts until we trade for someone. Give Reggie opportunities off the bench sometimes, but starting is out of the question.

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I actually was totally against Reggie at the start of the season. But these last 2 games he has looked GOOD on defense, and his shooting his what we need right now. He moves way better than barnes in terms of quickness. I see some saying he looks lost on defense, not sure "when" this was, but it definitely wasn't in the last 2 games.

In fact against the warriors considering it was a blow-out everyone outside of DJ looked lost of defense.

Bullock is looking good. I say start him.

And someone says he just hits corner 3's. Well he actually hit 2 from the top of the key as well. But regardless all we need our SF to do is hit corner 3's because they are open all game. That's the name of our offense. Blake in the paint, double team, kick to open corner, 3 in the bank. Unfortunately Barnes can't hit a 3 to save his life. Reggie will fit perfectly.

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Yea but we don't win games on BBALL IQ... We win games by guys making their designated shot (Open corner 3's) which barnes cannot do. So I'll take a brainless zombie who can hit his corner 3's over a "High IQ" player who can't hit the ocean with a pebble.

Just MY OPINION

SteveBaller
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Actually we do win games on basketball IQ. Don't discount the importance of brains in basketball. Even being a bad shooter, Barnes IQ puts him well above Reggie as an overall player, especially on defense. Not to mention that Matt can actually dribble a basketball and make smart, clean passes.

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I know the importance of smarts in athletics as I am an actual athlete, but regardless barnes is not some really high iq player, never has been. His defense is garbage at this point, and makes 1 or 2 decent plays a game at best.

We don't need a high iq SF. We need a guy who will put forth effort on defense and make open shots.

All of which bullock is doing better than barnes.

Laak
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The only advantage Reggie has over Barnes is athleticism and youth. In 5 games, Reggie is the better player, but Barnes is the better fit over the 82 games season.

Both players shoot around the same percentage, but Barnes has much better instincts. Always make great cuts on offense. It may only happen 2-3 times a game, but that's 4-6 easy efficient points Bullock can't produce.

Reggie's speed helps him on defense, but Barnes has more reach, better positioning, and toughness.

clipperboy24
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Is there another matt Barnes that plays for the clippers? Because the one I see should be nowhere near a starting role.

Btw the last player everyone loved because of his high IQ was traded for peanuts just to get rid of him. I prefer players that actually perform.

SteveBaller
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Mr. Fancy Pants "actual athelete" proports himself to therefore have more appreciation then I do for IQ in sports...then he completely dismisses it's importance...interesting line of thinking there. I'm an "actual athlete" too btw but I've never felt compelled to mention it in any context here...And I never said Barnes is a "really high IQ player", he's just obviously WAY smarter then Reggie.

Read over the responses today on this thread. You'll notice a lot of similar views on Bullock as a player- His defense is GARBAGE and his BBIQ is noticeably lacking. The Fox Sports commentators were laughing about how bad Reggie's defense is the other night right after the game. Corey Maggette (an actual athlete) and the rest of the crew were laughing it's so bad. Barnes is still the better player regardless of whether Bullock finally made a few shots in ONE game..Barnes will be starting until a trade is made. Book it.

clipperboy24
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That's on doc, he always stations an outside shooter with no movement. I hate that kind of set

SteveBaller
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So then are you saying that Reggie Bullock actually performs? LOL. He had ONE good game on offense (finally) and his defense sucked terribly like usual. Did you notice Chris and DJ talking/yelling at Reggie constantly after repeated defensive lapses? I did.

clipperboy24
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And I bet you cringed with every 3 pointer reggie made and helped the team. Haters gonna hate

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Side note, what is an "actual athlete?

ClipperPostman
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Lmao@ all this barnes love. Dude is playing like straight garbage. Bullock will take his starting spot within 2 weeks.

ClipperPostman
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Someone who actually performs and trains and competes in athletics at a professional or semi professional level.

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I am not sure about giving Bullock the starting spot even though Barnes has played like crap. Bullock should get more minutes however. If he flops then give him less minutes, if he does well he may gradually take the starting spot.

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I know this is a funny idea and you might laugh at me but what if doc put Turk on the starting line up or how come he never put Turk with Chris and Blake together. He's the only sf that's very efficient on the three point line and has a very IQ. I know our defense would suck but i think it would be smart putting Blake Turk and Chris together all that kick out three ball would be money.

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