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Post ID: 431227by Voyeur » Jan 20, 2014 - 05:41 PM PST
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True. JJ's been 3.6 assists to 1 turnover since returning. Everybody doing the job!



                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431228by MunoValente » Jan 20, 2014 - 05:53 PM PST
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Dudley's assist rate has gone up some as well. We have a lot of guys that can pass, but there is only one ball to go around, so there is going to be diminishing returns in assist numbers especially when you have guy who is so good when he dominates the ball like Paul. You can never have too much passing though, unselfish play and moving the ball quickly and effectively keeps the defense off balance and gets you good shots whether you're the guy who makes the basket or gets the assist or not.

I kind of wish the NBA tracked secondary assists like hockey, I have a feeling that Blake Griffin would do well in it, we get a lot good shots when he draws the defense, the defense makes it's first rotation, but we make another good pass leading to basket.

                
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Post ID: 431234by tense2 » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:33 PM PST
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This might help. Wink http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassing.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=2 5

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431238by MunoValente » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:42 PM PST
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Cool thanks. Griffin is doing well as I expect and Paul leads the league. Deandre Jordan actually gets a good amount of secondary assists despite getting very few actual assists. Just eyeballing it, it looks like Marc Gasol is only PF or C with more than Griffin he's a small sample size. Jordan is only behind Gasol, Griffin and Horford among bigs unless I missed someone else.

A lot of good information on that site, wish there was more criteria you could filter by though.

                
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Post ID: 431240by tense2 » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:52 PM PST
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You can add custom/remove filters and such. Plus check out the other areas besides Passing data. Very interesting information/data. More to come in this advanced stat arena future. Six cameras up in the catwalks tracking every player. Wow.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431241by Icecoldclipper » Jan 20, 2014 - 06:57 PM PST
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Kind of took me off guard when Doc said he started Barnes for defensive effort I thought Duds was suppose to have the same in a different way. Things are about to get interesting I do think doc needs to have Dudley shoot more often.

                
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Post ID: 431242by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 20, 2014 - 07:05 PM PST
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Its a complete mystery. On the flip side he only takes like 1 layup a game so its probably when he is nearly wide open.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431243by MunoValente » Jan 20, 2014 - 07:07 PM PST
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Here is a quote from Rivers "I don't know what the big deal is with lineups. I do it more for fit than to make a statement. We'll do it several times. I'll start Matt at times. I'm waiting for Matt to play well, too. I told them before the year that's a lineup I hope we can go back and forth on and I think it's getting to that point.""

It sounds like from the outset this year he was expecting to alternate them depending on the situation. That is probably the best solution, they are good at different things, so one or the other can help more depending on the matchup, against a big tough team like Detroit, Barnes rebounding and toughness was a good fit.

It also sounds like Dudley might be playing a little less in general for while to help rest his knee:

"Dudley has been playing with tendinitis in his right knee and nothing short of rest will improve it and Rivers is hoping fewer minutes and some time off next month will help him get ready for the stretch run.

"He's better but I don't think 100 percent," Rivers said. "Hopefully the All-Star break will get him a little bit of a break. My goals are by the time the playoffs start he feels great but through the regular season that's going to be hard.""

                
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Post ID: 431245by MunoValente » Jan 20, 2014 - 07:12 PM PST
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Needs filtering by player height or position and perhaps by other metrics that aren't on the specific chart. Something like player season finder on bbref, but with all the cool tracking numbers.

                
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Post ID: 431247by CapsNClips » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:08 PM PST
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Dudley is better at guarding jump shooters, Josh Smith is too big and too much of a banger down low for Dudley.

Barnes is better suited for guarding that type of player....even though Smith still went off today.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431249by ClippersDA » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:15 PM PST
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Barnes is an overrated defender

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431253by Agent0 » Jan 20, 2014 - 08:20 PM PST
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From Doc's interview, he seemed to imply that he made the move more as a means of generating better offense with a bench unit. Still, Barnes is probably a better matchup for Smith, possibly.

In the end, they are both similar level players with differing strengths, neither guy is a for sure starter type player, so mixing and matching based on team situation and opponent makes sense.

ClippersDA, it depends on how he is being rated as a defender. I don't know how most people are rating him, but he's an average - above average defender right now, if you rate him there, then that is a correct rating. Of course if you think he's some sort of stopper or elite defender, then that is overrating, but I don't think anyone thinks that.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431269by david » Jan 20, 2014 - 09:48 PM PST
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Talk about working hard- Jamal tweeted a pic of Blake working on weights AFTER today's game:

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431270by Voyeur » Jan 20, 2014 - 10:02 PM PST
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^ Is it possible Blake works TOO hard?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431272by Icecoldclipper » Jan 20, 2014 - 10:08 PM PST
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Blake could of seen more time at the three if the game was closer.

                
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Post ID: 431273by david » Jan 20, 2014 - 10:17 PM PST
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I'm sure he knows what he's doing- off day tomorrow. Doubt that he would workout if there were a game tomorrow- I think.

                
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Post ID: 431276by Voyeur » Jan 20, 2014 - 10:26 PM PST
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Hope so. I don't want him to, like, pull something because he worked out more than he needed to. lol

                
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Post ID: 431279by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Jan 21, 2014 - 12:06 AM PST
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Yeah, I would worry about him lifting weights throwing off his shot.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431294by Icecoldclipper » Jan 21, 2014 - 01:36 AM PST
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Feel really bad Willie did not play at all. Sucks to do that to a guy loyal and true at home. Hopefully Doc makes it up to him somehow.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Pistons Official Game Thread 2014-01-20 Post ID: 431298by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 21, 2014 - 06:43 AM PST
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CBS Sports Matt Moore Power Rank: 7

They're this high for two reasons: their record and Blake Griffin. But for a team that was supposed to be a title contender, the Clippers have played like paper tigers. They don't defend like a contender. They don't scare you offensively like a contender. Can they get there? That's why they got Doc Rivers. It's on him now.

When will the Clippers get respect?

                
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