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Here is the vid. Looks like CP3 is getting ready to return soon.

http://instagram.com/p/jsJuZMnwew/#

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Good to see him back on court!

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He doesn't look close. That is his bread and butter shot and it wasn't close either time.

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Can't seem to access the video but that is awesome, would really like to see him take it slow (not in his DNA) and ease himself back into the trenches.

Allowing DC to let that toe heal and getting back his groove into the All-Star break and beyond gives me good feelings. I feel this team coming together like no other Clipper team I've witnessed. Grant it we had teams that played well together, but I don't recall a Clipper team "coming together" like this ever. If that makes sense, I'm speculating the CP3 injury had much to do with that.

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Agreed, if he had made both those mid range jumpers then I would be excited. Maybe he'll be knocking them down in a week or two.

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I hope he is at 100% when Portland comes on the 12th. Beating the Blazers would be huge.

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Who cares about CP3? We're doing fine without him. We need a back up PG. Also if we had a SF the quality of Deng and a decent back up Big WOW!

Find a way to trade CP for Deng and resign him. Switch around some pieces to make the money work.

At the level they're playing now. DJ, BG, Deng, JJ, Collison. Hollins, Barnes and ??? WCF team?

I bet I got your attention. I don't of course really want to do this but think about it before ye say "Nay". My point is that this can be a good team without him. I hope he doesn't ruin what we've gained. He has to understand that there is really a Big Three. This is not "His Team" anymore. There is a chance that BG will be a strong candidate for MVP if he plays at this level and the team wins, if not this year but next.

Hope he's back soon

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Screw the all star game and rushing back to action Chris. Half the fanbase in NO hates you after the trade anyway. We are holding the fort while your gone. Just take your time.

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I'm going to Chalk this up to you temporarily losing your mind. Very Happy

This team is looking good mainly because we are playing a bunch of scrubs in the east.

Don't confuse that with being able to compete with the best without cp3, because those are the games we lost.

Let me remind you WITH Cp3 we smashed the spurs by 20, beat houston twice, Warriors, Minni, Memphis, etc...

We were already on a tear before Cp3 came out. He is the best PG in the league for a reason.

Don't mistake beating a bunch of sub 500 teams with being able to compete with the best without cp3. Think about the Pacers game

And you do realize Blake didn't "Turn it up" when cp3 came out. He was already putting up big numbers BEFORE cp3 went out. So that's def a fallacy.

That is all. Very Happy

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@toohip: I think he knows its not his team, I seem to remember (maybe i made it up) him saying that he wants blake to start taking over and being the man and that he wants it to be his (BG) team. While I agree with you that its not about one guy, that sounds lie a guy who is all in for team. After all, He is built to assist according to State Farm and assisting is a team based thing sooooooooo yeah.

I think JFK said it best when he said "ask not what the clippers can do for you but what you can do for the clippers".

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@toohipcliptoslip, I can see where you are coming from. I don't think that would be a good trade for the team, let's not forget that CP3 is a top 5 if not top 3 player in the league. I want a wing stopper just as bad as anybody out there, but that is not worth giving CP for.

I know your just saying that it can't be all CP anymore (especially during crunch time). I think CP talks the team talk, but at the same time puts the load on his shoulders come crunch time regardless. I think with all the work Blake has done, CP (maybe Doc more) will be inclined to take what the defense is giving us.

Can you really double team Blake if CP is playing at 100%? I think if CP is 100%, we are one back up big away from being quiet favorites for the title. I do think we need a better perimeter defender as well, but don't think it would be a necessity to win a title.

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I think a perimeter defender is more important than a backup big now.

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More than likely comes back after the break.

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@ClippersDA I keep going back and forth with which one is more important of a need for us. Hedo might fill in the back up big, I just don't have faith that it will work during the playoffs. If Blake or DJ gets in foul trouble I don't like our options. Perimeter defense isn't that much better, but with CP back and when Barnes is focused on D I think we can get by.

As far CP, those shots look terrible. I hope he takes his time. It sounds like he really wants to come back for the All-Star game, but I'd rather he doesn't play in it. I really think if he get's to 100% we are close to being true contenders.

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Nice little Doc interview talking about the health of JJ, DC and mainly CP.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/01/2 ... 28/#knicks

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The weird thing is people think Chris coming back will hinder us. On Paper, it looks like we are better without him. The reality is we will be even better when he gets back. I....

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I think we'll be fine when CP3 returns. In fact, other than a rough start defensively, we were really explosive when our starting unit was intact. So when Paul comes back, we should be even better. I'm not even worried about Blake deferring in 4th quarters because Doc was incorporating Blake more down the stretch BEFORE Paul went down. Hopefully, Paul has realized now that Blake, JJ and Jamal can all score clutch baskets and it doesn't always have to be him. And hopefully Doc and Paul will allow BG to occasionally run the offense too. But with CP3 back, Blake will be able to go back to playing solid D and rebounding as well as taking advantage of easy baskets, while maintaining his aggressiveness.

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I think CP is going to return sooner than expected, I just hope he is not rushing it and trying to come back to fas, because of the competitor he is.

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I wish I knew why Doc is not playing Reggie more. I think he is healthy now. I think Reggie could be the perimeter defender that we could put on KD, LBJ, etc.

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I'm not convinced he has the size or the strength. Too bad iguodala and batum are impossible - they'd be perfect fits.

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Yep, they would be perfect.

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This. All we have done is beat teams that we shouldn't lose to. The only team we beat that was noteworthy were the Mavs who frankly choked the game.

Also your right Blake was playing great with CP3 too.

Last 10 games with CP before Dallas:

26.1 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 3.0 APG, 53.9% FG, 78.3% FT, .608 TS%, 36 MPG

Without CP again after Dallas (11 games)

25.4 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 4.9 APG, 54.9% FG, 73.7% FT, .614 TS%, 35.6 MPG

He was playing great(arguably better than he is now) 10 games before CP3 got injured. He is scoring around the same but he is averaging way fewer rebounds. On the flip side he has almost 2 more apg.

Honestly I like Blake's play before better since I like to see Blake average double digit rebounds.

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The reason why it seems like were playing as good as before is because our shooters are finally making their shots. Crawford had a 20 game stretch where he shot under 40%. We had no Redick. Willie Green couldn't buy a bucket. Dudley and Barnes were terrible, etc. No one could shoot for crap.

We loss to Golden State and the Blazers since our role players were crap even though CP3 and BG had monster games.

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We all prefer that too. But I think Blake felt like he needed to concentrate more on facilitating and helping with ball handling duties even if it meant slacking off on rebounding and defense just a bit. Frankly, I think it's a working strategy at least until Paul gets back.

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Yep, the last 14 games our FG% is .486 and 38% from the 3.

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Of course I'm losing my mind. That was hyperbole.

What I said was that this is a strong team as it is. You can't argue that DJ, BG, Deng, JJ, and Collison isn't a strong team as we are playing now. Depending on the bench this is a Conference Finals team. That was a compliment to the way they're playing. I said specifically that I didn't want to trade. They played poorly against Indiana because their jacked up threes weren't falling. They were missing open looks. Giving us a decent 3 pt % it would have been close. As far as whom to double either Chris or Blake it's going to be "Pick your poison" Especially if Blake's jumper becomes reliable.

As far as "His Team" BG is proving to be becoming a closer depending on match ups. Maybe BG was improving but he's been a beast over the last three-four games. At times depending on matchups CP may not be the best or should we say most effective Clipper on the floor. What about when Miami shut Chris down with corner traps? BG gets is at the elbow and dumps to Jamal or JJ off the screen and BG rolls. With the the Ricky Davis pipe dream assumption that Dudley can hit an open three from the wing, this looks deadly. With the old Bruce Bowen. wow!! With Bowen this play is unstoppable. BG wasn't that dominant then. Let's not mention Blake getting it in the block single covered. This is the new improving Blake. Indiana is the best team in the league and doesn't lose at home. They will take it all (I'm from Indianapolis)

I'm looking forward to the LeBron BG matchup. I hope LBJ guards him but I doubt it.

Blake's numbers as far as PPG were a similar but since CP is gone he has 5 assist per game. These do not count the games that they went down

CP3 and JJ 14/7; JJ no CP 7/2; CP3 no JJ 17/8. Because of the quality of opponents played when and the road schedule these stats are so skewed that to make a precise determination is impossible even for me after a bottle of Cognac. (Try D'usse. at $70/bottle it's as good as Hennesy XO $250/bottle)

What they do show is that CP3 isn't the key to our success. He's one of the keys. We are good without him. Arguably JJ is near as important.

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I get your argument. I agree we are a good team without Paul. But we are no where near a WCF team without paul. Maybe you don't understand they type of game changer paul is.

To say JJ is near as important as CP3 is insane at best.

Lets put it this way. Before Cp3 got here we were a Lottery team.

The year he gets here we are in the second round of the playoffs.

Do you think JJ has that type of impact on this team? JJ is a great shooter

and playing his role nicely. But he can be replaced with other shooters.

Cp3 can't be replaced because he is byfar the best PG in the league.

Of course we are a good team without Cp3. That's what makes a

championship team.

The bulls were a Good team without Jordan. But I don't think

any sane person would say the team could win a Championship

without Jordan... Or that they were BETTER without jordan.

Why are we even having this discussion?

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Every contender in the league is good without their best player. If they are not then they aren't a contender. Btw no way is JJ as important as our "big 3" of CP3, BG and now DJ. Willie Green and Crawford were in terrible slumps which made us miss him a lot more than we should. Green was constantly bricking wide open looks.

I would say Redick is our 4th most important player along with Crawford.

It helps that CP3 has a starter quality PG as his backup.

I would say BG and DJ are probably more important than CP3 simply because our backup bigs are D league caliber. Playing scrubs like Mullens significant minutes is a recipe for disaster.

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Yep, well said Professor. wink

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Agreed. People tend to forget that the Bulls were a 55 win team in a very tough Eastern conference WITHOUT Jordan.

Now that is a stacked team! No championship team should only have one key player. Jordan had Pippen, Rodman and many other great role players along with the GOAT coach.

To me our success is a great sign. It shows that our role players, stars and coaching staff have stepped up.

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Obviously JJ can't be replaced by other shooters...unless those other shooters run off the ball like JJ. How is it you people still don't get this idea? Nobody is saying JJ is as good as CP3 or even Jamal Crawford. What we are saying is JJ's style is VERY important to Doc's system. When he went down, Doc looked like a sad puppy and we had to change the whole dynamic. JJ comes back and we're scoring through the roof. Not because he's scoring 20 points a game or anything, but because he does, in fact, open things up inside for Blake and DJ.

Anyway, we'll be even better when Paul gets back.

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Well I agree and disagree if that is possible.

JJ is great in this system. But my point is you can replace

JJ with another high percentage shooter and we would be

just as good. IE Kyle Korver, Bellineli, Matthews, etc..

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bingo! even though chris is a huge contributor to this team his passing (which is his forte) can be replicated by the dual effort of Collison and Griffin. its why in his absence we have such a good record, but no one can shoot and spread the floor like Redick. even though Crawford can shoot the three at close to the same % as Redick he doesn't run and tire that defense like Redick. of course the observations don't mean Redick is better than Paul. it simply means if either goes down we can compensate for Paul's absence but not Redicks.

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People actually get caught up in the passing, but Chris Paul's actual greatest attribute is his ability to score and use possessions at an elite level in isolation. Every team wants to limit how much they rely on isolation, but every team still knows they need it at some point. The guys who can make the most of isolation (not just for themselves, but for the team as a whole) help a teams offense a lot, usually those are the superstars. If my guy can create two more PPG on isolation per game than your guy can, the end result with everything the same (it's of course never all equal) is that my team scores two more PPG than yours.

Paul is great because when you can isolate at an elite level, pass at an elite level, hit about 50% on mid-range shots you created yourself, hardly turn the ball over / protect the ball at an elite leve, defend at a high level for your position. All those things add and build on each other to make your impact multi-factorial and huge.

Paul isn't some player with a singular high level value to the team. He does multiple things at a high level. We need to have context if we're getting carried way by beating a lot of bad teams. For example, Milwaukee is the worst offense in the league and one of the worst defenses, and have only beat one team over .500 in Chicago all season. We aren't impressed by beating them, even without Paul. Even if we had no Paul, and no Redick and Jamal only played half the game.

This team without Paul should be able to win 45-47 games in a season if health stays well. A 45-47 win team should smack Milwaukee and Boston and Orlando and New York, etc and compete with Dallas, but probably struggle vs a Indiana or SA, duh. This team with Paul is in the brink of a 60 win team, at the least a high 50's win team. That's not a small jump

This team isn't trying to see if the system can beat the Milwaukee's, it's trying to beat the Portland's, OKC's, SA's, Miami's etc of the league. In those games, it isn't Redick's running that's your primary catalyst for offense, or even the system. It's CP and Blake, but Redick's running and the system are the complimentary things to give you that extra needed. Now of course then you have to defend Smile

Remember with Redick out, Barnes still bricking everything, Jackson and no Hedo who had been better, this team was 10-4 before Paul went out while playing against a much more balanced group of opponents. The two main guys were averaging 21/5/10 (Paul) and 26/10/3 (Griffin) with TS% both at .590-.600. It wasn't Paul and Blake struggling without Redick, they are high level stars, they are fine, it was Dudley because now he is the best off ball shooter on the floor, it was the team because Jamal is playing much more than he should and other guys were not hitting shots. The difference from Redick to Green when he started gives you 2-3 more PPG if they were taking the same amount of shots, that determines who wins or loses a close game. Now add just a little more production from Barnes, even just +1 PPG on the same shots because he's making more, the little uptick in production from Hedo to Jackson.

These things all become cumulative and your team could literally be 4-5 pts/100 possessions better without attempting any more shots. That's a good to great offense difference.

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The reason we were lottery teams had nothing to do with the talent of the players. It had to do with team dynamics. Remember, Brand screwed us and Baron was a cancer. He for fun destroyed the whole season. The year after our PO run the team imploded because MDSr started Livingston instead of Cassel and Magettee came off the bench and there was a locker room revolt. With a healthy Eric Gordon and a functional DJ and with Kaman this wouldn't have been a lottery team. Blake and EJ were one of the most if not the most strong tandem in the league .I do understand "game changer" but Blake is becoming a Game Changer. Before CP3 we didn't have Reddick and DJ was a waste of pine. Also we had VDN and the culture was different. It's apples and oranges. Bledsoe was referred to by the announcers as a Game Changer. Pay Bledsoe his big bucks as a FA, let's say $8 mill. Collison, Bledsoe, JJ, Jamal

As an individual player JJ isn't good enough to stand in CP's shadow but in the flow of the offense he showed that he was a game changer when he was gone. When Jamal is on he's unstoppable.

This is a team game and with CP gone we're showing we are a team. not Chris and the Paulettes. He isn't the whole wall. It's not Kobe and the Bryantettes. He's big brick yes but not the whole wall. Blake at year's end or next year may be as good as CP.

Given a top tier allstar SF and clean up the bench

Collison 14.7 ppg I tossed his four point game. He had to have had jock itch, 6 assists 3pt% two games stunk remainder 2/3. 0.667. He's been playing injured.

Take CP's salary and allow us to spend it on any players, not one player we want keeping Collison - get Bledsoe. and dump Mullens we'd still be formidable with a SF for the extra $$$

Give our guys some props. CP is not THE ANSWER to our success, he's one of many answers. This is of course hypothetical because we can't get whovever we want.

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I disagree with the notion that while Paul was here it was looking like him and the Paulette's. Yes, last season, but for the last double digit games before Paul got injured, it looked more like a two man wrecking crew of Paul and Blake on offense and DJ doing his best to man a defense.

Blake was tearing teams up putting up 26 a game. If Redick was playing, it would have looked like a smooth flowing offense just with two giants at the head in Paul and Blake, which was a bit of what we got earlier in the season, just with Blake being a smaller giant. As he was stepping it up because he's like "hey I can hit FT's", Redick goes down, Paul goes down, and we didn't get to see the full picture, just little tidbits.

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It seems a lot of people THINK it's Chris and the Paulettes and that he's indispensable for success not that it was. It's a team and he's he a piece. I'm saying that let's not get the Kobe syndrome and think of him as the team

The Rasheed Pistons had no superstar

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The NBA is the type of sport where even two low level All-Stars won't equal the value of a superstar and above average players that of a high level All-Star. So having Carl Landry is nice, he could start and put up 17 pts / 8 rebs with .550+ TS%, and against the right opponents, you could have an impressive record with him starting for a couple of games, but if you think you can have the same team ability by replacing Blake Griffin with Carl Landry and trading Blake for better roster filler players, you have missed it.

This is why teams trying to get better say they are trying to trade for a superstar. The sum of a lot of good players doesn't equal the impact of a superstar player. Why should our focus be what people think as opposed to what is most beneficial for the team to attain greatest success?

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The exception to the rule. They had about 4 All-Star caliber players though. They had a front-court where each guy was a high level defensive player. Every other team that has won in the last you can count it years had one or even two superstars, or a superstar and a high level All-Star or more, depending on how loosely you define superstar.

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Exception to the rule.

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No one is saying It's Paul and the Paulettes. What we ARE

saying is the superstar is the key to championship while

role players are important, they can be replaced.

Do Pre-lebron heat win without D-Wade?

Do lakers win without kobe?

Do Spurs win without Tim Duncan?

Do Heat Win Without Lebron?

What we are saying is Superstars bring championships Period. There

are few exceptions, but A GOOD team + Superstar = Championship.

A bad team + Superstar = Lottery Team

Good team + No Superstar = First-2nd round exit from playoffs.

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Yeah, I like what we've been doing without Paul, but it's with the hope that our team will only be even better when he gets back. I'm sure they will be. He's the leader. He's will be able to find all these guys in their best spots. He will be able to score 20 himself. He will give us 2.5 much needed steals. He will take over in stretches where we had no answers (like in Charlotte). My hope is he now recognizes he doesn't have to do it alone. I think he already knows that. Like I said, Doc has already saw to it to get others involved at crunch time.

I can't wait to get our starting unit back.

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No one here is thinking of him as the team. I have no clue what the point of your argument is. Creating conflict when there is none....

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I meant the Rasheed/Ben Wallace era Pistons. They didn't have a superstar

I'm curious at all the bruhaha.

We have a Championship coach, the best rebounding center in the NBA, a PF who's a one man wrecking crew, as stated in another post the best SG tandem in the league and a PG who's putting up ~15 ppg injured. BG has now taken on a leadership role. I never said that we should be without Paul. I said that this is a good squad without him. If he were not available we could add a few pieces and be very competitive, Deng + others as example. That would be a hard team to beat. I said a couple of times that being without Paul was hyperbole - a purposeful overstatement of the facts for effect. People took what was meant to be a compliment to our chemistry and our maturing as something else. I never said that we were better without him. Remember I said it specifically that it was hyperbole.

There is a difference between being the first among equals and Kobe Bryant. The Paulettes means don't think of him as Gladys Knight and the pips. To go old school it wasn't Jim Morrison and the Doors. It was just the Doors. Each player was important for the sound they had.It's too bad that they didn't share the responsibility of keeping his pants zipped.

I placed a hypothetical, a question not an intent. Given CP's money, if we could get anybody we wanted could we make as good a squad by filling in other holes example Bledsoe + Collison + Deng. HYPOTHETICAL. This is the same discussion we get into when we talk trades. A simple thought problem.

What's the big deal?

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I will restate my question then let this post die. The gist of this post was that CP3 is out. My question was this:

Given the team we have, assume he's no longer on the team. Take away CP3 and use his salary to pay other players. As a hypothetical is there a combination of PLAYERS we can get for his salary that will make us contenders? I feel there is. It's that simple.

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Chris Paul earns his paycheck in the last 6 minutes of the game, and he's worth every penny.

Been a Clipper fan for too long, seen too many ties and single-digit leads turn into losses because players fold under pressure.

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Hypothetically sure but this isn't nba2k.

Every contender in the nba is still a contender under such a scenario including the Heat and the Thunder. Same for the Spurs, Pacers and Blazers....

Of course provided you get the right players. For example, if the Heat got a very good center and a 3 & D small forward instead of Lebron they would still be a contender provided Wade is healthy.

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