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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436515by Agent0 » Feb 09, 2014 - 05:01 PM PST
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Consistency, scoring efficiency, focus and defensive consistency have always been Kaman's issues. No doubt he can have games where he looks really good, just that the next 4 games he'll look not so good.



                
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Post ID: 436518by chonkyfire24 » Feb 09, 2014 - 05:04 PM PST
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Ariza, yes, Bynum, maybe not. We have to remember that our biggest desire is defense. Bynum's movement and pick and roll defense was atrocious this season, and it's never been "good", and it's not like he was good on offense. Outside of random games, overall he was bad on offense and bad on defense, so we can't proclaim him a savior without knowing how much more progress he needs to get to a state where he's actually effective.

Of course, having Ariza might mean no Redick. But I was salivating at the idea of this defensive 1-3: Paul / Bledsoe / Ariza, so of course I wouldn't have complained, but Redick works quite well here.

I say bynum because I for 1 million dollars, i think he could have given the clippers an extremely valuable 15 minutes a game. That's all i wanted from him really.

I think I would rather have ariza than redick... I'm not sure though.

Ariza is a tall and long and can play the two and the three. I like redick, but when it is playoff time and the clippers need multiple stops, I think ariza increases the chances of getting said stops.

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It might still be possible to get Ariza, but certainly not easy. Washington is aware that they have signed Webster for 4 years and that re-signing Ariza also after they just drafted a SF in Porter might be weird, but Ariza is playing really well for them. Their need though is a PF, probably one that can score. The other problem is that all the Clippers decent sized contracts aren't expiring, they have at least another year or two on them. At least with expiring, you can sell cap space and flexibility.

i really don't see how the clippers could get ariza. I'm guessing it would have to be some kind of package featuring bullock and a pick, but idk what it is.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436523by Agent0 » Feb 09, 2014 - 05:33 PM PST
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Ariza or Redick is an interesting debate, because then we would still have had Bledsoe, and he would either have been moved for something, or still be on the team. In order for him to be moved for a player without a comparable contract though, he would have to have been packaged with someone else, and I don't think after Caron we had the contracts to do that. \

In the playoffs also though, Redick's ability to be in constant motion would bring more dynamics to your offense, so it's a bit of a hard one. I'd like both Smile Wink

In terms of Ariza, it would have to be some multi-team trade with the right team that makes it happen. It is possible, but not highly possible.


Also, to my last comment about Kaman, with all that said, I'll still take him over the Clippers current bench big men.

How can we get Ariza?

Clippers Trade: Jared Dudley, Reggie Bullock, Willie Green Clippers Get: Trevor Ariza

Clippers Trade: Eric Bledsoe Trade Exception Clippers Get: Chris Singleton

Wizards Trade: Trevor Ariza, Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely Wizards Get: Thaddeus Young, Willie Green

Sixers Trade: Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young Sixers Get: Ben Gordon, Jared Dudley, Reggie Bullock, Jan Vesely, Portland 1st Rd Pick

Charlotte Trade: Ben Gordon (expiring), Portland 1st Rd Pick Charlotte Get: Evan Turner

    Clippers get Trevor Ariza and Chris Singleton who is an athletic defender that struggles on offense, and his best case was a Trevor Ariza type player. He's a project, his 3PT shooting hasn't been bad, 34.6% on 127 attempts as a rookie, rebounds well too, but fouls a lot and is a bad offensive player. A project type guy.

    Washington gets their scoring front-court player to pair with Wall and Beal and get something for Ariza who they might not be re-signing, and quickly move on from Porter, which is sort of the question mark in this trade.

    Sixers essentially get two first round picks, the upcoming one from Portland, and Bullock who was just a first round pick. They now have no SF, so they slip Dudley in and are saving about $4M/year on Young's contract. Dudley should also fit well next to their rookie PG. Ben Gordon is a $13M expiring contract, so he's just there to release space.

    Charlotte gets Turner as they are interested in him and have been looking for a more dynamic wing player to pair with their current guys.

I first had Porter going out, but Washington won't do that. This is still a hard sell for Philly who can argue that they can get more. Some tweaking would be required.

Chris Singleton: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Singleton-1342/

Here's the draft pick summary for those who want to know for trades: http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436528by what_up_clipnation83 » Feb 09, 2014 - 06:14 PM PST
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Hopefully we make a play for Spencer Hawes, he'll be the perfect 3rd BIG off the bench and can play with DJ or Blake.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436532by itsLuigi » Feb 09, 2014 - 06:49 PM PST
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i wish we could go after Jeff green.

                
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Post ID: 436535by -clippernation- » Feb 09, 2014 - 07:01 PM PST
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I don't see the point in trading for Hawes. He'll probably leave once the season is over. I don't really think he's a big market type of guy.

                
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Post ID: 436540by Agent0 » Feb 09, 2014 - 07:14 PM PST
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Makes too much money for such an inconsistently impressive player.

He'll shoot better with the Clippers than he is with the Celtics since he'll be playing off others. Not an impressive rebounder for a 6'9 athletic 3/4, decent scorer, good at the corner three, good defender here and there, but then not really consistent. Average to above average overall on defense.

Doesn't sound so bad for an MLE-$7M player. Then you realize he basically makes $9M and then $9.4M for another two seasons after this year and you're like Sad

From the dynamic all-round player type idea we got from the reports of him in college, he's really developed into a very "meh" NBA player. I thought the passing would develop and he'd be a 4-5 APG guy, but he's shown none of that, rebounds worse, isn't really a very effective scorer. Jeff Green really didn't seem to make strides in the NBA for the skills he seemed to posses in college.

                
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Post ID: 436541by itsLuigi » Feb 09, 2014 - 07:19 PM PST
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yeah he's not playing at the level he should. i totally agree. i was just thinking he would have been easier to acquire than ariza or chandler if there werent a ban on us trading

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436545by Agent0 » Feb 09, 2014 - 07:34 PM PST
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He might actually be harder since we have to shed out more salary. Those other two make about $2M less.

Boston would probably try and get a draft pick from someone in order to send him out.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436849by MunoValente » Feb 09, 2014 - 10:56 PM PST
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Hawes and Turner sure made an impression tonight.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436859by -clippernation- » Feb 09, 2014 - 11:30 PM PST
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They went off tonight, we couldn't stop them

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436875by itsLuigi » Feb 10, 2014 - 06:33 AM PST
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was watching tuner hawes and young play. wasn't impressed. id take young he at least put in some effort.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 436905by namzug » Feb 10, 2014 - 01:04 PM PST
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@itsLuigi I agree with wanting Jeff Green. I think he would play better if he was a key piece on a contender. I don't think he should be the centerpiece though. Honestly not even the second piece on a team.

@Agent0 he does make a little more than I'd like to pay, but he can also play a convincing small ball 4.

We always talk about stats on non-contending teams, but it probably works both ways. He is on a rebuilding team, and his contract is set for the next few years. I would think that if he was on a contract year he would be balling better than Turner efficiency wise, and probably matching Afflalo's production. If you know there is no hope, you are going to get paid and all you have to do is show up it's going to be tough to be motivated.

If I could have my choice of young to semi-young small forwards to get (I know we don't have the assets to get them) but here is the order of small forwards I'd go for (I'm also not listing the guys we know are near impossible):

Harrison Barnes- still on his rookie contract, young and full of potential Demarre Carroll- cap friendly numbers with good defense and solid shooting Maurice Harkless- maybe Orlando is so in love with Harris we could sneak him away PJ Tucker- I think is a friendly surprise for the Suns what we were expecting from Caron, just better at shooting Wilson Chandler- no surprises here, we know what we'd get Martell Webster- the shooting is great, the rest is league average I think Trevor Ariza- like Chandler we know what we'd get Jeff Green- a bit expensive, but I think could concentrate more on defense on this team and have career numbers here. Jimmy Butler- like Jeff I think has too much of a burden on his current team, great defensive player at the minimum Wes Johnson- cheap, young and very serviceable in my opinion (Personally he could have filled in what Barnes does for us on a minimum deal) Denver's extras- the extra 3's over in Denver. I'd take Randolph, Quincy, or Hamilton.

                
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Post ID: 436974by -clippernation- » Feb 10, 2014 - 09:31 PM PST
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I would love to have Jimmy Buckets

                
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Post ID: 437083by TheDude » Feb 12, 2014 - 10:52 AM PST
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If all we had to do is swap our two inconsistent SF's for one younger/better inconsistently SF, for this team it makes sense because it's could be the last piece of the puzzle on the roster. We could get 10mins per game out of Reggie or Hedo or somebody picked up off the scrap heap. Not that they'd do that deal without something else thrown in but I'd rather have a quality starter than a subpar two-deep.

                
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Post ID: 437142by Agent0 » Feb 12, 2014 - 09:13 PM PST
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Possibly true pending how many minutes Doc would play the guy, but if I'm paying $9M, I feel like I'd like to get more value. I can get Jeff Green value or even better in a cheaper player like Ariza, Chandler, etc.

A little $1-2M makes a difference when you start considering tax, and people forget the penalties for,repeater tax, etc

Of course we can't even trade for Green, lol, but hypothetically I suppose.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438168by ChloeGMoretz » Feb 17, 2014 - 02:57 PM PST
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I say Harrison Barnes is the best get, cheap and so much potential

                
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Post ID: 438175by JQuick32 » Feb 17, 2014 - 03:30 PM PST
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Agreed, but the Sixers are delusional if they really think they're getting high first round picks for him.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438179by Andrew818 » Feb 17, 2014 - 03:41 PM PST
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If Hawes was signed long term anywhere around 4-7 Mill then I would defiantly give up a 1st rounder.He can score and rebound well and would be a great big to come off the bench or play as a starter in case of injury.But no way would I give up a first rounder for his expiring contract.A 7ft shooting big who can consistently make 3's is likely going to be paid more than he makes now.If we trade for him it's likely a one year rental.

                
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Post ID: 438210by realbull17 » Feb 17, 2014 - 06:40 PM PST
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if you guys still wishing a LO7 return. it ain't gonna happen. he's going overseas.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438211by Icecoldclipper » Feb 17, 2014 - 06:42 PM PST
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Least the LO saga is dead better be careful not to rush the fast life over there.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438214by Clipperjan » Feb 17, 2014 - 06:48 PM PST
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Marc Stein just sent out:

It's true. Just told @RealLamarOdom has a deal in principal with aforementioned Spanish club and intends to play rest of season in Espana

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438230by Clipperjan » Feb 17, 2014 - 08:36 PM PST
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Clippers decided not to extend a second 10-day contract to Sasha Vujacic

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438257by itsLuigi » Feb 18, 2014 - 12:20 AM PST
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did anyone watch the all star d league game? was there any standouts worth signing?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438261by chonkyfire24 » Feb 18, 2014 - 12:41 AM PST
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the clippers need to do something, that's for certain. They are one player away from being a complete team.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438271by clipitgood » Feb 18, 2014 - 03:19 AM PST
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This is a long thread, so not sure if someone has already suggested it, but I think Marvin Williams would be a nice addition next year as a free agent. He is athletic enough to defend the position and skilled enough offensively to contribute in multiple ways. Might as well mention that I think C.J. Miles would also be a good add for us, should we need another backup up wing. Like Williams, he has the quicks to defend his position, plus he has become a pretty good three-point shooter.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438274by ClipperKyle32 » Feb 18, 2014 - 06:12 AM PST
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@WojYahooNBA: Clippers GM/coach Doc Rivers on the search for a big man to bolster his bench, league sources tell Yahoo.

Words to our ears

                
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I'm so relieved to know Doc is looking for a big man to help this team. Let's see some of your GM magic, Doc, and bring us someone who is a whole lot better than Mullens. (Fouling-machine Hollins, while aggravating at times, is serviceable for a 3rd backup big.)

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438288by itsLuigi » Feb 18, 2014 - 09:02 AM PST
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big baby davis?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438301by Clipperjan » Feb 18, 2014 - 10:37 AM PST
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Ken Berger from CBS just sent out: Clippers interested in flipping wing player (Dudley, perhaps Barnes) for frontcourt help, per source. Jamison, Mullens also available. I don't think anyone will take Jamison or Mullens.

                
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Come on Doc, time to prove your GM skills.

                
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Post ID: 438312by MunoValente » Feb 18, 2014 - 10:55 AM PST
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Jamison is a small expiring contract, he makes for fine filler in a trade. Mullens isn't as a good a filler trade because he's under contract next year. Willie Green is a good trade filler too because his contract is not guaranteed next year. Green/Mullen/Jamison could bring us back about 3 million player in a salary dump trade (contract like Darrel Arthur's), or Green could be used to get someone like Reggie Evans or they could be added with Barnes/Dudley to get a more expensive player (contract like Taj Gibson's).

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438363by ClippersDA » Feb 18, 2014 - 03:41 PM PST
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I would love pau to not get traded and then sign with the clippers for a major discount to spite lakers. That would be nice, he is soft but would make a great third big and I think he and blake would be a nice fit

                
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Post ID: 438364by cleepers » Feb 18, 2014 - 03:51 PM PST
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All good points. We also still have the Bledsoe TPE to work with, so there are options.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438375by Clippers_FTW » Feb 18, 2014 - 04:35 PM PST
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I'd love an Iggy type player lol.... but who is an Iggy type player that is avail?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 438807by Clippers_FTW » Feb 19, 2014 - 12:25 AM PST
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Can we please start Bullock? Sheesh... Matt Barnes scored 2 more points than Bullcok and he was on the court for 20 more mintues.

                
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Pleeeeez start Bullock. It is time to give him his shot. It's not like he is replacing players at the 3 (Dudley, Barnes) that are lighting it up. But look at the upside that Bullock offers. Also, I wish there was a way we could pry away and old friend from the Lakers. A healthy Chris Kaman is as good as any other backup center we could trade for. And he can hit the mid range jumper which opens up the middle for Blake. I don't see what we have that the Lakers would want, so I guess it will never happen.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 439737by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Feb 20, 2014 - 08:08 PM PST
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Dammit, we're stuck with Dudley and Barnes for the rest of the season... and we still have no back up big men other than Hollins.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center Post ID: 439812by ClippersDA » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:02 AM PST
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Earl Clarke anyone?

                
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Post ID: 439816by Dunkathon » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:09 AM PST
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I'm not so sure about Earl. He did great under D'Antoni last year, but has really struggled with the Cavs. I guess I wouldn't mind trading for him, but it would depend on the asking price.

                
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Post ID: 439817by Agent0 » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:12 AM PST
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Might as well just wait to see what happens with Granger. Clark has good defensive projection as a 3/4, length,,athletic ability and rebounds, and he can shoot decently with a bit of range. Cleveland is dysfunctional, but he's been awful for them and shown again that he isn't a starter across the board. Still struggling as an offensive player, and even his best season last year he was below average.

It's his defense that one would get him for. If Barnes wasn't on the team, it could make sense, but Not sure if he can bring enough on either end to be worth adding to the current glut of SF's on the team.

                
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The sixers waived Clark I think he could help in the wings

                
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There is only one way to achieve this! Sign a bunch of SG's and PF's! All offensive minded! That's sure to fill the gap at SF, C and improve the D.

                
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Danny Granger Smile... Please 76ers, waive him

                
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