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mastaslice
Post Subject: Could DJ's Freethrows Ruin Clippers Championship Dreams? Post ID: 433066by mastaslice » Jan 29, 2014 - 10:52 AM PST
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I feel as though, since,DJ is such a prob in the 4th with freethrows, what's going to happen during the playoff. DJ is turning out to be, one of the league best defenders. Since he can't hit the freethows, doc might have to bench him in the 4th. But who is going to, to start at center and guard the paint. Could DJ be the xfactor?



                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433067by ClippersDA » Jan 29, 2014 - 10:55 AM PST
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I don't get this - you still have to get in the bonus to send dj to the line. Why do people always bring oj the fourth quarter?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433068by MunoValente » Jan 29, 2014 - 11:05 AM PST
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Jordan has a higher career FT% than Ben Wallace. Shaq's championship year with Miami he was almost as bad at the line as Jordan or Wallace.

Before we're in the penalty the intentional fouls aren't a problem and with less than 2 minutes you keep the foul after intentional fouls off the ball.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433069by ClipperPostman » Jan 29, 2014 - 11:28 AM PST
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This is a ridiculous thread. Has he cost us a game yet? As stated above Ben Wallace was a notorious free throw air baller and they still won a championship.

You can't foul off ball in the last 2 minutes when Free Throws can make or a break a game. And they don't call any plays for DJ.

So how can someone cost you game when they won't be shooting FT's in the last 2 minutes?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433070by Laak » Jan 29, 2014 - 11:32 AM PST
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Before the season began, I thought 2 things need to happen for Clippers to be a Championship contender. One is BG needs to improve, and he has immensely. The second is DJ needs to have a higher FT%. There's been so many games last season where the Clippers toss up bad shots just to avoid DJ getting hacked. Teams would do anything to win in the playoff, and they'd definitely use that strategy. You can say Hack-a-DJ would only work if Clippers are already in bonus. But in most cases, teams are in the bonus with around 4 minutes to play in the quarter. That's enough opportunities for opposing teams make a run. I don't expect DJ to hit 60% FT, but at least make half of them.

                
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Post ID: 433074by MunoValente » Jan 29, 2014 - 11:48 AM PST
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So we're worried about a two minute stretch, in which an opposing team may or may not use a tactic that isn't all that popular?

If we can't afford to sit a guy who isn't even one of our best two players for two minutes, when we have the advantage of the other team being in the penalty, we have worse problems we need to address.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433075by Voyeur » Jan 29, 2014 - 11:49 AM PST
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It seems as if Doc has figured out how to utilize DJ very well so far and knows when to take him out. I can't think of a game in which we were really hurt by DJ's free throws...and trust me when I say I've been a critic of that aspect of his game. I will say this...if he could only make 60-65%, he'd be all the more effective.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433080by uncool » Jan 29, 2014 - 12:25 PM PST
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Dumb thread. Doc knows how to coach. In tight games he puts DJ in on defense & subs him out on offense. It's not a problem.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433084by Diamond909 » Jan 29, 2014 - 12:35 PM PST
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Shaq has survived and won 4 ring's but I know DJ isn't Shaq so, it can still be done, just more challenging.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433087by Icecoldclipper » Jan 29, 2014 - 12:48 PM PST
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Has not been horrible outside of the Bulls game so it seems his really bad shooting from the line are far and in between games.

                
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Post ID: 433099by Laak » Jan 29, 2014 - 02:37 PM PST
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The Spurs sent Howard to the FT line 16 times in a span of 3 minutes yesterday. Howard's shooting 52% from FT, over 10% better than DJ. If Howard's getting fouled like that, I can't see how elite teams like Spurs would not take advantage of the situation during the playoffs.

                
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Post ID: 433100by MunoValente » Jan 29, 2014 - 02:50 PM PST
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The Spurs lost yesterday. The Rockets grew their lead when the Spurs did their foul nonsense. Also it can be a little trickier with Howard, because unlike Jordan he actually has a lot of offense ran through him, which would get disrupted if he sat for 3 minutes.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433101by GhostShip » Jan 29, 2014 - 02:52 PM PST
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Honestly without a decent back up center the answer is MAYBE

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433114by Agent0 » Jan 29, 2014 - 04:24 PM PST
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He should have stuck it out in terms of working hard with Thate. Improving your jumpshot isn't linear, it's sort of a 1 step forward, two steps back, two steps forward, 1 step back until you start to progress. Really he just needed to get up to being a consistent 55%+ FT shooter.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433116by CP3Best » Jan 29, 2014 - 04:40 PM PST
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That is a ridiculous notion, DJ attempts around 4 free throws per game, and usually they're in the 1st 3 quarters not the 4th quarter and certainly not down the stretch, as a matter of fact he stepped up and made them when they counted, forgot who was that team we beat, up by one play defense DJ gets rebound and makes 1 of 2 to seal it, and then shatters their hopes by stealing their inbounds pass, he Won us the game. He made them when they mattered.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433117by clipper321 » Jan 29, 2014 - 04:48 PM PST
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I echo the sentiments of everyone else here. It's ridiculous to believe that DJs free throw percentage will cost the team a championship. What will cost the team a championship are defensive breakdowns.

                
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Post ID: 433119by Voyeur » Jan 29, 2014 - 04:51 PM PST
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A defensive breakdown like having to remove our rim protector at crunch time due to hack-a-DJ?

BOOYAH!

Kidding! I think we'll be okay with DJ. I just couldn't resist.

                
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Post ID: 433123by cliptastic » Jan 29, 2014 - 05:16 PM PST
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That was the awesome 17 point comeback win against Dallas a few weeks ago. I agree, he doesn't go to the line a ton to make a huge difference. There may be instances where he could help lose a close game, but within the 2 minute mark, they can't foul him off the ball anyway. We may have to pull him out at times until then, but at least we'll have our best rim protector for the last 2 minutes of the game.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433124by MunoValente » Jan 29, 2014 - 05:20 PM PST
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Couple other things to consider about the effectiveness of intentional fouling are that even if Jordan shoots an bad percentage at the line, our turnover rate goes down to almost zero that possession and we still get chances at offensive rebounds (our offensive rebound rate is about 28% with Jordan on the floor), so even with Jordan bricking FTs, our offensive isn't even that terribly inefficient.

                
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Post ID: 433129by ClippersDA » Jan 29, 2014 - 05:41 PM PST
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All that will happen is doc will pull dj and then we will shove then we will keep giving the ball to blake. The only defense is to foul him and he will get free throws on every trip.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433130by ClippersDA » Jan 29, 2014 - 05:42 PM PST
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Also a lot of playoff teams have bad foul shooters. Bogut and howard immediately come to mind.

                
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Post ID: 433133by FightOnRon » Jan 29, 2014 - 06:24 PM PST
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Agree,people are having VDN flashbacks. Doc let's it happen maybe twice and he makes the change. Vinny would wait for 10 times.

                
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Post ID: 433139by Clipswhit » Jan 29, 2014 - 08:16 PM PST
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DJ is a career 30% from the line in the playoffs, plus is have to assume our offensive rebound rate plummets when our best rebounder is at the line.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433143by Steady818 » Jan 29, 2014 - 09:03 PM PST
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Hack a DJ could be as good as a turnover most of time.. That being said unless it becomes so frequent the amount of Free Throws DJ takes so far has done us no harm... He hasn't been to the line frequent enough yet.. I honestly don't believe it will be a factor.. With BG our most frequent free throw shooter knocking most of them down we have become less of a liability on the line.. It was a big problem when BG would go 3 for 10 and DJ 0 for 6 but now with BG being a lot more efficient at the line it hurts us so much less

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433264by ClipperKyle32 » Jan 29, 2014 - 11:55 PM PST
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In this case tonight. DJ just won us this game. Free-Throws

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433276by MunoValente » Jan 30, 2014 - 12:03 AM PST
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The intentional fouling utterly failed for the Wizards tonight. Took the game out of the hands of their team that was playing pretty well and just gave us the win. A failed intentional fouling strategy pretty much cost the Mavericks their game tonight too. Didn't help the Spurs against the Rockets yesterday either.

If I was player I wouldn't like the coach telling us to foul in that situation, it's like the coach telling you he doesn't believe in your ability to get stops in normal play.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433278by Clippers_FTW » Jan 30, 2014 - 12:06 AM PST
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HAHHAAHHAH DJ read this thread this morning. #stfu hahaha

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433281by Kingkanyon » Jan 30, 2014 - 12:21 AM PST
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If Hack a Ben didn't seem to Hurt the Piston's, then I doubt it will hurt the Clips with DJ. This strategy has been used forever, it doesn't necessarily work in the Playoff's but it could win you and loose you games in the Regular Season.

                
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Post ID: 433283by ClipperB23 » Jan 30, 2014 - 12:23 AM PST
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haha i was about to say the same! DJ came through in the clutch tonight with those 4 FT's in a row.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433327by worm » Jan 30, 2014 - 09:02 AM PST
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Nice job on DJ's FT.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433329by namzug » Jan 30, 2014 - 09:47 AM PST
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DJ's shots don't look as bad as his percentage suggests. Since he has taken a lot of the arch off his shot, he has been hitting more. Maybe that is all he was missing. I'm not saying he will be a high % free throw shooter, just less of a liability.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433330by Laak » Jan 30, 2014 - 09:48 AM PST
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This is what I mean. If DJ could knock down FTs like yesterday, there'd be no offensively liabilities and we'd be great defensively at the same time.

                
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Post ID: 433404by toohipcliptoslip » Jan 30, 2014 - 05:39 PM PST
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No. If he hits a FT I consider it gravy. I expect him to miss. You can love your girlfriend so much that you ignore PMS

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 433447by Grillinnap » Jan 30, 2014 - 09:18 PM PST
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His shot from the line kinda changed. It's line drive-ish now.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 435887by namzug » Feb 06, 2014 - 09:54 AM PST
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Since he's took all the arch out, he has been hitting at higher rate. He has been hitting pretty well during clutch situations the last few games too.

If he starts to gain confidence with his free throw shooting, maybe we can start using him a bit more when he has an advantage offensively. Look at what Blake's confidence has done for him. I think DJ has pretty good foot work, the only thing that drives me nuts is when he gets the ball stripped. If we try it we could get our shooters more room, if they keep trying cheat off their man to strip DJ.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 435898by Icecoldclipper » Feb 06, 2014 - 11:22 AM PST
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Tell this dude its the 4th quarter the whole game and he could get up to 60% by end season.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Could DJ Post ID: 435900by wessleejr » Feb 06, 2014 - 11:26 AM PST
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IMO his FT is improving compared to last season. but I noticed that Doc pulled DJ out when we are leading in the fourth quarter and put Blake at center and Turks in PF, I think we need LO to play at the Center in this situation to avoid a hack a DJ.

                
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