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Post Subject: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 433897by namzug » Jan 31, 2014 - 10:41 AM PST
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I understand that Blake has the offensive load to carry right now, but the rebounding numbers have been embarrassing. We had 34 rebounds last night, and DJ had 20 of them. We rank 19th in the league rebounding wise, but have the league leader in rebounding.

I hope Doc puts a stop too all the leaking out. Everybody should try to get a damn rebound, then worry about the offense. We rank 26th in percentage of offensive rebounds given up (http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/opponent-offensive-rebounding-pc t). Chris was rebounding great when he was healthy, but why is our PG our 3rd leading rebounder.

I know last night was the second game of a back to back after a long road trip; but we are in the bottom half of any rebounding stat in the league.



                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 433899by jarca » Jan 31, 2014 - 10:54 AM PST
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No but they can sure help by boxing out and not get burn by their guys. Besides DJ and BG we are the least athletic team. The fundamental should be drilled into those guys

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 433910by clipperboy24 » Jan 31, 2014 - 11:50 AM PST
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We have not boxed out as a team for a few years now. No one is held accountable in that category

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 433924by CP3Best » Jan 31, 2014 - 01:01 PM PST
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Nope! No one is helping DJ rebound. Couldn't u see that?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 433925by FightOnRon » Jan 31, 2014 - 01:06 PM PST
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There is an article in the ESPN magazine about offensive rebounds and how it is apparently not important to many teams in the NBA. They cited the fact that the average per game is 11.something which is down from 15.something from just 10 years ago. The 3 worst teams currently in ORB ,from worst to 3rd from worst, are Miami, Indiana and San Antonio.

So evidently the Clippers feel DJ gets enough and we have some work to do to get to the bottom like those 3 teams are.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 433932by namzug » Jan 31, 2014 - 01:17 PM PST
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Yeah, but I'm talking about offensive rebounds given up. Rebounding in general is atrocious for us, but defensive rebounding is thought to be a focus with Rivers. Everyone leaks out and tries to move up the court for the quick basket. If we don't get this down, we will not be contending anytime soon.

                
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Post ID: 433935by ClipperDB » Jan 31, 2014 - 01:19 PM PST
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I agree...

                
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Post ID: 433942by MunoValente » Jan 31, 2014 - 01:37 PM PST
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I think more and more teams are sacrificing defensive rebounding for transition points and sacrificing offensive rebounding for better transition defense. Rebounding is important, but you need find a way to look at it independent of the tactics, which can be harder to do.

The Warriors did wipe us pretty good on the glass last night, but I think that was largely from playing sluggish due to fatigue.

                
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Post ID: 433972by clipper*joe » Jan 31, 2014 - 05:37 PM PST
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 433974by Agent0 » Jan 31, 2014 - 07:17 PM PST
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Doc Rivers teams are coaches to leave offensive rebounds and get back on defense to prevent fast break baskets. The thought process is that the return of possibly getting a couple more offensive rebounds isn't worth the possible extra high percentage baskets you give up because you don't have enough guys back. DJ is the only significant offensive rebounder on the team, and it is why Blake's are down.

I have no issues with that, but this team has issues with defensive rebounding, that's where there is a problem. ThenClippers are 25h in DRB%. Indiana is first btw, and SA is 6th. Miami is also bad because like LAC, they can't keep guys off the glass, but at least they can say they are small.

DJ grabbing a lot more rebounds might actually not be as beneficial as it seems. For example, Roy hasn't shown the ability to be a high impact defensive rebounder in previous seasons or in college, but Indiana is really good. They are really good as a TEAM. What does this have to do with DJ? Well running after rebounds, but not boxing out can actually end up hurting your team on he glass because you allow the opposition to be in position to contest rebounds since they aren't boxed out. More opportunities to contest rebounds means more chances to get them.

Now, I'm not saying DJ isn't boxing out at all, but I'm saying an actual interesting part of this is that an individual chasing down rebounds, depending on how they approach it might actually hurt a teams ability to collect as many defensive rebounds. The team needs to rebound better though.

People keep talking about Doc telling Blake and other guys to leak out, but I don't get why you would sacrifice rebounding for chances at fast break baskets, it isn't worth it with a team that can execute so well and who can get down the floor very quickly even if they stay back and rebound.

Also it isn't about being more athletic. Athleticism gets thrown around too much as a solution to things. It has it's place, but that's not the solution.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 433980by ClipperPostman » Jan 31, 2014 - 08:55 PM PST
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After watching every game this season my opinion is Bad Defensive Rotations are causing us to be out of position for rebounds.

DJ gets his rebounds, but whenever he rotates to the driving man to help - Blake and the wings always seem to be a step behind and out of position.

This seems to leave The lane open for easy layin/dunk and or someone not being boxed out which allows them to get an offensive rebound.

Watch the Replay of last nights game and you will see what I am talking about.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 434105by namzug » Feb 01, 2014 - 06:45 PM PST
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I think teams are starting to figure out that if you go back for offensive rebounds you won't be boxed out unless you are going against DJ.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 434351by clipboard » Feb 02, 2014 - 02:13 PM PST
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Hedo does well when he's in , last night in twelve and a half minutes; 4 rb, 5 ast, 2 st and 6 points.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 434381by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Feb 02, 2014 - 05:05 PM PST
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We need our SFs to help out on the boards. Barnes and Dudley only grab a combined 6 rebounds. I'm not sure what the league average for SF rebounding is, but only 6 seems very low between 2 guys.

                
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Post ID: 434382by MunoValente » Feb 02, 2014 - 05:13 PM PST
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Barnes is an above average rebounder, with the Lakers and Magic he was one of the best rebounding SFs in the league. Dudley is well below average this year, was a little below average last year and was around average the 3 years before that that. Redick, Green and Crawford are all below average as well. Collison is a fairly average rebounder, Paul is a very good rebounder for a his position.

Griffin is little above average, Jordan is very good, Turkoglu has been surprisingly good (around average for PF, his career high by mile); Hollins, Mullens and Jamison are all poor. Jackson was really bad.

Bullock's numbers are mediocre for a SF, but would be good for a SG. Was hoping he would beat out Green for some minutes.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 434383by Hooch20 » Feb 02, 2014 - 05:29 PM PST
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Sounds like Dudley is pretty close to being traded for a big.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 434997by tense2 » Feb 04, 2014 - 12:56 PM PST
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Per Doc:

"We've got to rebound better as a group," Rivers said. "And it's not on the bigs. It's on everybody." Rivers said the guards have fallen short in stopping opponents' dribble-penetration, which has made it more difficult on their defense and ability to rebound.

"A lot of it is the guards are getting beat off the dribble," Rivers said. "And when they get beat off the dribble, the bigs are in rotation. It's not just as simple as the bigs aren't rebounding. The bigs are rebounding. The bigs are in help half the game. We've got to do a better job of controlling the dribble. If we do a better job of controlling the dribble, then our bigs are under the basket rebounding where they should be."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... z2sNgpslrR

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 435000by ClipperDB » Feb 04, 2014 - 01:04 PM PST
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I don't like to disagree with doc, but the bigs are NOT rebounding, they are ball watching. I see Blake and DJ not boxing out. I see Blake too many times trying to leak out for offensive fast break, while not even concerned with a rebound.

                
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Post ID: 435006by tense2 » Feb 04, 2014 - 01:38 PM PST
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Maybe Blake, but DJ...not sure how a guy who's leading the league in rebounding can do much better THIS year. Maybe next year he even gets better.

Oh, maybe you meant by "Bigs not rebounding"...Mullins, Hollins, Jamison. Razz

                
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Post ID: 435007by ClipperDB » Feb 04, 2014 - 01:49 PM PST
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I supposed I am frustrated with Blake not boxing out or seeming to be concerned with rebounding. I wasn't really referring to DJ, because I see how much he has improved in that area. Hopefully he continues to improve.

                
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Post ID: 435008by ClipperDB » Feb 04, 2014 - 01:50 PM PST
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I meant to write "NOT concerned with rebounding..."

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 435047by Agent0 » Feb 04, 2014 - 06:59 PM PST
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The bigs, that is the starting guys aren't perfect, but it's hard to pun point them. Blake averages 7.4 defensive rebounds a game, DJ 9.7.

If they have to average more defensive rebounds, then it means there's a lot more than them not rebounding going on. Easy penetrations big helps, gets out of position, though player misses, the man the big helped off of gets the board. The smells actually have to keep going to help box out the bigs man and compete on the glass.

They might not get the rebound a lot, but 1-2 more rebounds due to that a game helps, or even having an over the back called. Of course better yet they allow less easy penetration, but even then, when they allow it, they can't just sit and watch and wait for the bigs to clean up.

Bigs could box out more, but if opposing smells are coming in the paint and you're helping, boxing out isn't going to happen as often for you.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 435081by Akclipps » Feb 04, 2014 - 11:20 PM PST
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I kinda envy bobcats defensive rebounds.. They're number 2 in the league and they're killing gayden state right now

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 435126by namzug » Feb 05, 2014 - 10:19 AM PST
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I think the Bobcats are a perfect example of backcourt players helping their bigs. I have only seen them play us, the Lakers and one game that happened to be on ESPN. Their backcourt seems to do a better job of putting a body on their man, and making sure that the opposing team doesn't get any easy offensive rebounds. That is just what I saw, don't know if the stats back that up, I'm assuming that with what @Akclipps said, it does.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 435132by Akclipps » Feb 05, 2014 - 10:34 AM PST
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Even bismack will look good on our team doing all the dirty work.. Hoping we can fix this rebounding problem before playoff comes. We did a great job on defending the nuggets making them to miss a lot of shots but defensive rebound is killing us

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 435146by fullcourt » Feb 05, 2014 - 11:03 AM PST
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The problem I see are tipped balls from poor boxing out by Blake and DJ. They are out of position and don't have a full body on a man so when the ball comes off the rim they get a hand on it and it get tipped awkwardly the other issue is Blake leaking out with the expectation that DJ will clean up the glass. That Is a problem since DJ is now pretty much getting face guarded which means that Blake has got to recognize that a guy like Faried is killing us on the glass and making a point to stop him.

That Is the real evolution that we have to see from Blake and DJ is the ability to recognize an opposing big who is impacting the game against us and taking it upon themselves to shut him down. Against the Heat are DJ and Blake willing to accept the Lebron James and Chris Bosh challenge? I guess we will see tonight

                
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Post ID: 435148by fullcourt » Feb 05, 2014 - 11:17 AM PST
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Bobcats play a totally different style of play. They play mostly halfcourt and slow down the pace of the game .Its why despite rebounding great they are one of the worst scoring teams in the league

                
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Post Subject: RE: Is Anyone Going to Help DJ Rebound? Post ID: 435160by Agent0 » Feb 05, 2014 - 11:41 AM PST
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Minnesota is the 2nd fastest paced team in the league and they are 6th in defensive rebound percentage. Golden State is the 5th fastest team and they are 4th in defensive rebound percentage.

Charlotte's pace is actually not that slow, they are 21st, slow but not a Grizzlies or Knicks slow. Everyone helps on the glass for them, being fast doesn't negate a team doing that. Offensively, it's not their pace, but the fact that they have bad offensive players, lol. No adequate scorer on the bench, floor spacing is not so good with Henderson and MKG as their starting wings, just a lot of issues on offense.

                
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