What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense?

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rogmatic
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These last couple of games have been ugly. Guards have been causing havoc in the lane (see Faried's numerous dunks last night). Maybe some of it is that we are putting Blake more on the perimeter so it puts a lot of pressure on Jordan to protect the rim? Hopefully subbing Paul in for Collison will help, but the team seems short on good on ball defenders.

MunoValente
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Barnes minutes have gone up and I just don't think his head has been in the game a lot of the time, he seems to be making a lot of mistakes. Dudley is slow and banged up and will get beat because of that but his decision making has been a lot better than Barnes lately. We miss Paul too, Paul is very good defender. We've also needed to rely a bit more on Crawford than usual and Crawford has always been a pretty weak defender.

ClippersDA
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Defense is regressing

cashdld
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its fatigue, i have noticed players are tired and been playing with there hands instead of the feet and position. You notice it as the player react late and pressing to catch up to there opponents. Last night you could really tell blake griffin was tired barely running back on offense almost every plan, deferring more on offense trying to catch his breathe. That is a indicater on how we lack depth which is causing our player to play long periods of time on a long trip. we need to find a third big to give blake griffin time to rest so that he can be at full strength at the end of the season.

clipnasty
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Agreed. They looked exhausted last night. The all-star break should help (although Blake will be running around doing stuff all weekend, and possibly JJ for the 3 point contest). The altitude probably didn't help last night either.

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Barnes should not be a starter. He's a bench player for almost all of his career. If Crawford struggled as a starter, it only makes sense that Barnes would have an even harder time adjusting.

Agent0
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I'm not sure starting or not starting is the issue with Barnes.

Paul was playing excellent perimeter defense, he's out. Part of why his previous teams weren't so high on Collison was his defense. He can pressure a little more, but gets beat off the bounce more without recovering and that doesn't help. Barnes gets beat as much as Dudley but seems to just foul more after.

MunoValente
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Yeah, Barnes started a some games last year when Butler missed some games and did well, averaged 16 and 6 and shot 45%. This year he's averaging 7 and 4 and shooting 39% as starter. He started 58 games for the Magic in 09/10, which was basically his first good season. He's just playing like crap this year, whether he's starting or not.

Clipswhit
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We need to get a solid wing defender! Still like the idea of Mbah a Moute.

fullcourt
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The key to defense in the nba is your bigman and how willing they are to consistently help and recover. There is no wing defender that can stop anyone alone what you are seeing are the results of Blake and DJ coming with low energy and the entire defense suffers without it.

Agent0
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That is partly true, but if your perimeter defenders are playing like sieves, then your bigs can't remedy that. The perimeter defenders need to slow the offensive player enough to give your bigs time to recover, and they can't just get blown by and then say it's the bigs fault for not helping. They also need to be quick on their rotations to close off passing angles when the bigs rotate to help.

CP3Heliflopter
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We have poor wing defenders for the most part and we our tired. Losing an elite defensive PG also doesn't help.

Icecoldclipper
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Team fatigue and I think the home stand will help get things back in order. We added Turk on the road, had Collison dealing with a toe issue, Barnes became a starter at Detroit, and JJ has had some reported back issues. We need this home stand just to get everything put into place get CP3 back and get guys rest during the break.

Silasie
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Very true, they need to get some rest and get a bit more healthy.

MunoValente
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We still lead the league in opposing 3pt%, maybe we're doing something tactically that allows more penetration in order the cover shooters better.

Fatigue certainly hasn't helped lately though and some our personnel like Dudley and Redick are more positional than physical and better suited to defend shooters rather than attackers.

We're still top 10 in defense overall, which is ok enough, considering our offseason moves were focused on offense rather than defense.

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Agent0
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MunoValente wrote:
We still lead the league in opposing 3pt%, maybe we're doing something tactically that allows more penetration in order the cover shooters better.

Fatigue certainly hasn't helped lately though and some our personnel like Dudley and Redick are more positional than physical and better suited to defend shooters rather than attackers.

We're still top 10 in defense overall, which is ok enough, considering our offseason moves were focused on offense rather than defense.

Need to be in the top 5-7 defensively ideally to have the best chance in the post season. Closing out hard on shooters is definitely good and it can allow some drives, but you want to force mid-range jumpers, not allow shots at the rim.

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and also suffered losses to Miami, Indiana, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Portland on the second night of road back-to-backs, elite teams find a way to win some of those games
I just don't get why schedule wise it made sense to make the first three on the second night of back to backs? Portland people didn't expect to be this good, but when you're playing an elite team, any little advantage helps. That's why teams win a lot more at home than on the road in the playoffs. Not only are they home, but the Clippers are coming off a game the night before, not really sure I'd use that as the best judge of anything, and Paul was out against SA the second time and was he even there vs OKC the second time?

So 1-1 vs SA, 1-1 vs OKC, both losses on the road in second night of back to back, it's certainly not the end of the world.

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