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Post Subject: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 434988by rogmatic » Feb 04, 2014 - 12:28 PM PST
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These last couple of games have been ugly. Guards have been causing havoc in the lane (see Faried's numerous dunks last night). Maybe some of it is that we are putting Blake more on the perimeter so it puts a lot of pressure on Jordan to protect the rim? Hopefully subbing Paul in for Collison will help, but the team seems short on good on ball defenders.



                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 434991by MunoValente » Feb 04, 2014 - 12:34 PM PST
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Barnes minutes have gone up and I just don't think his head has been in the game a lot of the time, he seems to be making a lot of mistakes. Dudley is slow and banged up and will get beat because of that but his decision making has been a lot better than Barnes lately. We miss Paul too, Paul is very good defender. We've also needed to rely a bit more on Crawford than usual and Crawford has always been a pretty weak defender.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 434993by ClippersDA » Feb 04, 2014 - 12:45 PM PST
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Defense is regressing

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 434999by cashdld » Feb 04, 2014 - 01:01 PM PST
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its fatigue, i have noticed players are tired and been playing with there hands instead of the feet and position. You notice it as the player react late and pressing to catch up to there opponents. Last night you could really tell blake griffin was tired barely running back on offense almost every plan, deferring more on offense trying to catch his breathe. That is a indicater on how we lack depth which is causing our player to play long periods of time on a long trip. we need to find a third big to give blake griffin time to rest so that he can be at full strength at the end of the season.

                
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Post ID: 435002by clipnasty » Feb 04, 2014 - 01:20 PM PST
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Agreed. They looked exhausted last night. The all-star break should help (although Blake will be running around doing stuff all weekend, and possibly JJ for the 3 point contest). The altitude probably didn't help last night either.

                
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Post ID: 435003by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Feb 04, 2014 - 01:31 PM PST
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Barnes should not be a starter. He's a bench player for almost all of his career. If Crawford struggled as a starter, it only makes sense that Barnes would have an even harder time adjusting.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 435046by Agent0 » Feb 04, 2014 - 06:54 PM PST
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I'm not sure starting or not starting is the issue with Barnes.

Paul was playing excellent perimeter defense, he's out. Part of why his previous teams weren't so high on Collison was his defense. He can pressure a little more, but gets beat off the bounce more without recovering and that doesn't help. Barnes gets beat as much as Dudley but seems to just foul more after.

                
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Post ID: 435048by MunoValente » Feb 04, 2014 - 07:11 PM PST
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Yeah, Barnes started a some games last year when Butler missed some games and did well, averaged 16 and 6 and shot 45%. This year he's averaging 7 and 4 and shooting 39% as starter. He started 58 games for the Magic in 09/10, which was basically his first good season. He's just playing like crap this year, whether he's starting or not.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 435083by Clipswhit » Feb 04, 2014 - 11:40 PM PST
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We need to get a solid wing defender! Still like the idea of Mbah a Moute.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 435141by fullcourt » Feb 05, 2014 - 10:49 AM PST
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The key to defense in the nba is your bigman and how willing they are to consistently help and recover. There is no wing defender that can stop anyone alone what you are seeing are the results of Blake and DJ coming with low energy and the entire defense suffers without it.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 435162by Agent0 » Feb 05, 2014 - 11:47 AM PST
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That is partly true, but if your perimeter defenders are playing like sieves, then your bigs can't remedy that. The perimeter defenders need to slow the offensive player enough to give your bigs time to recover, and they can't just get blown by and then say it's the bigs fault for not helping. They also need to be quick on their rotations to close off passing angles when the bigs rotate to help.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 435180by CP3Heliflopter » Feb 05, 2014 - 12:37 PM PST
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We have poor wing defenders for the most part and we our tired. Losing an elite defensive PG also doesn't help.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 435208by Icecoldclipper » Feb 05, 2014 - 01:53 PM PST
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Team fatigue and I think the home stand will help get things back in order. We added Turk on the road, had Collison dealing with a toe issue, Barnes became a starter at Detroit, and JJ has had some reported back issues. We need this home stand just to get everything put into place get CP3 back and get guys rest during the break.

                
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Post ID: 435213by Silasie » Feb 05, 2014 - 02:02 PM PST
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Very true, they need to get some rest and get a bit more healthy.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 435214by MunoValente » Feb 05, 2014 - 02:05 PM PST
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We still lead the league in opposing 3pt%, maybe we're doing something tactically that allows more penetration in order the cover shooters better.

Fatigue certainly hasn't helped lately though and some our personnel like Dudley and Redick are more positional than physical and better suited to defend shooters rather than attackers.

We're still top 10 in defense overall, which is ok enough, considering our offseason moves were focused on offense rather than defense.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What is Happening with the Perimeter Defense? Post ID: 435229by Clipperjan » Feb 05, 2014 - 03:00 PM PST
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Arash Markazi from ESPNLosAngeles.com wrote this article called "Clippers aim to be elite defensively" Do you agree with his thinking?

LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles Clippers want to be an elite team and they know that in order to be an elite team, they have to be an elite defensive team first.

It's a message Doc Rivers has driven home during every practice, meeting and game since the start of training camp.

Of course, wanting it and talking about it are completely different than actually doing it and more importantly doing it on a consistent basis.

Doc Rivers knows the Clippers must work on being consistently better on defense to be an elite team. The Clippers have shown flashes this season of being a solid defensive team but flashes will only win you games here or there against lesser teams during the regular season. That's not going to get it done against elite teams when the playoffs roll around.

Against the Denver Nuggets on Monday, the Clippers scored 115 points but lost because they gave up 116 points. While all the focus was on Randy Foye's desperation 3-pointer to win the game, the reason they lost was because they were dominated on the boards, 52-to-37, and in second chance points, 24-to-8.

"We're just not consistent enough," Rivers said. "Blame whatever you want, but we were up against a very good defensive team. Fortunately, we were good enough offensively to try and win the game but later that's not going to work. You're not going to roll it out and be able to outscore everybody. You're going to have to get stops, you're going to have to get stops in a row and it has to be consistent. For us to be an elite team, we have to do that. We can be a good team the way we are playing, but if you're going to be elite, you're going to have to have something of a standard defensively. We're working on it."

That standard is currently a work in progress, which is totally understandable considering the Clippers still have four games left before the All-Star break and still have the second half of the season to work on shoring up their defense. While the Clippers have been knocked for their lack of size and depth in the frontcourt, Rivers scoffs when he hears the Clippers can't win a championship because of those shortcomings.

He points to the Miami Heat, who have won back-to-back titles and have gone to three straight Finals without much size and depth in the frontcourt. The one thing they have done well, however, over the last three seasons is play solid defense. The Clippers have certainly done that during stretches this season but over the last seven games, they are giving up 107.5 points per 100 possessions, one of the worst averages in the league. As good as the Clippers are offensively, they are not going to be able to win many games against elite teams giving up that many points.

The Clippers have an opportunity before the break to face the Heat on Wednesday night and the Portland Trail Blazers one week later at Staples Center. While defense has been the team's Achilles heel through the first half of the season, defeating the league's elite has also been an issue.

So far this season, the Clippers are 2-6 against the top five teams in the league with their two victories against Oklahoma City and San Antonio coming at home. The Clippers are also just 14-14 on the road this season. While they have played more road games than any team in the league through 51 games and also suffered losses to Miami, Indiana, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Portland on the second night of road back-to-backs, elite teams find a way to win some of those games.

And the Clippers can take a step toward becoming an elite team with wins over Miami and Portland over the next week. The Clippers, who are 20-3 at home this season, can also make a move in the standings with their next five games being at Staples Center. The Clippers are just a game and half behind Portland for the No. 3 seed and two and half games behind San Antonio for the No. 2 seed and could easily become a top five team instead of trying to beat one by the All-Star break.

Before they can do that, the Clippers know they have to play defense, which has been easier said than done for them since the season began

                
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Post ID: 435236by Agent0 » Feb 05, 2014 - 03:38 PM PST
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MunoValente wrote:
We still lead the league in opposing 3pt%, maybe we're doing something tactically that allows more penetration in order the cover shooters better.

Fatigue certainly hasn't helped lately though and some our personnel like Dudley and Redick are more positional than physical and better suited to defend shooters rather than attackers.

We're still top 10 in defense overall, which is ok enough, considering our offseason moves were focused on offense rather than defense.

Need to be in the top 5-7 defensively ideally to have the best chance in the post season. Closing out hard on shooters is definitely good and it can allow some drives, but you want to force mid-range jumpers, not allow shots at the rim.

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and also suffered losses to Miami, Indiana, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Portland on the second night of road back-to-backs, elite teams find a way to win some of those games
I just don't get why schedule wise it made sense to make the first three on the second night of back to backs? Portland people didn't expect to be this good, but when you're playing an elite team, any little advantage helps. That's why teams win a lot more at home than on the road in the playoffs. Not only are they home, but the Clippers are coming off a game the night before, not really sure I'd use that as the best judge of anything, and Paul was out against SA the second time and was he even there vs OKC the second time?

So 1-1 vs SA, 1-1 vs OKC, both losses on the road in second night of back to back, it's certainly not the end of the world.

                
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