Rumor: Jared Dudley Being Shopped by the Clippers (P. 3)

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clipperboy24
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^^^ yep everyone seems to have forgotten how he ripped on the clippers and Blake. The guy says the right things for where he is at but doesn't have the actions to match the talk.

ClippersDA
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I was with you until you said you liked barnes as our starting small forward.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ly9zpx2

MunoValente
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From what I was reading about his injury back at the start of the year when it was more severe, was not only was it hurting his in game play, it also hurt his ability to practice and train, because it was a leg injury that required rest to heal. So I think there is a good chance his weight gain is related him to not getting his diet in line with the new lower impact training and practice. From how bad he was shooting last night, it seems to have gotten into his head as well.

I think if we don't trade him we would do well to shut down for a month or so to focus on training and healing, and that it might have been a mistake to play him so much earlier in the year. Unfortunately I think Doc felt forced into playing him so much because all our other SF options have been terrible and Barnes was hurt for a while as well.

Icecoldclipper
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It's also about keeping cheap talent on the team that can grow. We are going to be close to the tax line for years to come you can only pick so many vet minute guys before needing some kind of long term development. Spurs and OKC do this the best and we should be doing it as well.

JQuick32
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The biggest crock of bull by far was his public apology for his **** play earlier this year, followed by maybe two or three good games, and then going back to the same scrub play as before. I guess his "tendonitis" just magically disappeared after that tweet and came back as soon as everyone got off his back? Dudley's got to go, for real.

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The guy's confidence is obviously in the toilet at this point and there is nothing worse that can happen to a shooter. Even still, his defense and shooting are both better than Barnes. This cannot be emphasized enough, and Barnes should be in trade discussions just as much. Trade em both for a sf and a third big.

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that's exactly why I never bought the injury excuse.

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It is kinda sad watching Dudley play. It looks like he forgot how to shoot a basketball. I think we would be better off trading him for a big and keeping Barnes as the starter and Bullock as the back up. Bullock hasn't really had a chance to show us what he's got. Dudley has had the chance but hasn't given us anything good.

We've gotten by this long with crappy SF so I think a C would help us out a lot more.

namzug
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Yeah, but you could say the same thing about getting by this far with a crappy back up big. I think there is some decent back up bigs playing overseas, not so sure about wing players. Anybody have an idea of wings playing overseas?

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neither Redick or Dudley can be traded back to Milwaukee for Redick and Phoenix for Dudley until a year from when they were acquired I believe. "No trade backs".

We get that Dudkey has been disappointing, but there's little need to personally attack him or act like he beat up someone's mother. I mean there's a difference between not playing well and being a liar or whatever else he's now labeled because he disappointed some people. Getting carried away there.

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Bolded part of the above for personal emphasis. It's pathetic that some of you here resort to attacking Dudley's personal character because you're angry he's been playing badly. Take a deep breathe and keep this all in perspective.

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You must have never had tendinitis. You have good days, you have bad days. I had the injury 5+ years ago and it still occasionally flares up and causes pain.

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Before the year I thought Dudley was a perfect fit but his play has shown differently. Dudley is the new Ryan Gomes a very good player comes here and can't produce.

This team can't find a small forward it seems. Barnes is a great back up but not a starter.

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Why not trade for Chris Kaman, we know he is well rested since he never plays. He is a big body that can give the team some points in the paint off the bench. I doubt the Lakers would care if he goes.

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The vision I have when I think of Kaman playing for Clips is Dunleavy screaming, WHAT ARE YOU DOING to Kaman after he missed another one of his lay-ups instead of dunking.

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Kaman has pretty good offensive skills, decent rebounding, but below average defense. I think this poses a problem in us cconsidering him as our backup. we need a defensive big

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excellent summary of our small forward situation.

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When was Ryan Gomes a good player? haha

clipperharry
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Go get Evans from the nets , he is just seating there not playing !!

clipperharry
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Rebounds wins rings !!! We need him !!

CP3Heliflopter
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He was decent before he came to the Clippers actually lol. Same for Butler funnily enough.

CP3Best
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Same for Dudley as well, what's with our team corrupting small forwards?

ClipperDB
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I can't remember the last time Clips had a good SF.

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Corey Maggette was probably the last "good" SF we had. He didn't play much defense, but he could score and get to the foul line like nobody else.

Icecoldclipper
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Corey Maggette most likely I still can't believe Al Thornton did not last longer in the league.

Agent0
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The SF thing I kinda crazy. Butler came past prime and after an injury and was not the player he was before, with age also playing a factor. Gomes was a tweener 3/4 who never found his role on LAC and then it just kept going downhill. Dudley just a combination of everything. Injury, confidence, fear of the road, demotion to bench and now what just seems like poor play everywhere since going to the bench.

Maybe this team is just where SF's come to die, except for Barnes, so he's the survivor, well based on last season, or course this season he's also had a combination of things holding him back. It's actually kind of funny if you think about it.

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You can argue Mobley even though he was already on the decline or even that one good year Bobby Simmons had

clipperboy24
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You can argue Mobley even though he was already on the decline or even that one good year Bobby Simmons had
Mobley was more of a sg. Maggette was awesome for us, always a big fan of his. I know a lot of fans criticized him but I loved what he brought to the team. The SF situation is very bad for us, really hoping that Dudley is traded. Also I don't really think there have been attacks on Dudley's character. To say it seems like he is not giving full effort I guess could be taken as an....

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Agent0
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Matt Barnes also ripped Blake Griffin....

namzug
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I know Matt did similar stuff, but I didn't like that Dudley would go at Griffin during games like he wanted to fight. It bothered me at the time and my son even remembered how much I disliked Dudley because of it.

With that said if that is the way we are going to filter possible teammates we will be limiting ourselves quite a bit. LO, Bvarnes,and Duds all did it, but that is all before playing on the same team and you have to get over it. Billups went and ran his mouth afterwards in my opinion knowing how the media was going to twist what he said to feed the same stations current narrative on him. That is worse in my opinion.

clipperboy24
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And he was a fool for doing it. And has proven how foolish and hotheaded of a player he can be.

BTW I don't think we are limiting players by not wanting to sit guys who ripped on our players or franchise. It's called bringing in good character guys and people who have good self control. That kind of stuff does translate over onto the court. Most players in the NBA have more self control so we really wouldn't be limiting ourselves that much.

At least own what you said if you are coming to the team and admit it was foolish.

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I hope they offload him soon

pageC4
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same here but it is a tall task to get that done. he hasn't been doing well and on top of that he is still signed for two more years I think, so he doesn't even have the expiring contract status that can land you a good player

Agent0
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So wait, I don't get what you are saying. Are you saying Dudley is a low character guy without self control or? Lol

I don't know if you've realized that there's a player on almost every team that has some dislike of Blake from playing against him. Blake isn't a fun person to play against because he beats on you then tries to dunk on you, then ask for fouls even though you did foul him, but he was beating on you.

Really reaching here. Let's just stick to talking about basketball ability.

Icecoldclipper
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Dudley has a strong defensive night and did far better on Demar and his mid range j was on. Doc needs to get Dudley more on the Willie Green off the ball package. First go to move down the court each time should be set screen and then run off a screen to the mid range not the three point shot.

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You gotta point there. Also Willie doesn't hesitate when he's open. Dudley being a better shooter shouldn't hesitate as well

Agent0
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They probably should have mixed some more mid-range action for him. One of the things Dudley has show really good ability to do in previous seasons is the one dribble pull up or the pick and roll pull up jumper. Actually this season he's hitting them really well but hasn't really taken many.

Willie Green does have a different mentality though, Dudley has a role player mentality, sort of a get out of the way, let the main guys do their thing, while Willie is not shy to fire it up.

Dudley's defense has actually gotten better lately, but he can't hit shots consistently anymore, even at home.

Granted, most of his games off the bench were on the road where he becomes a high school level basketball player, but here are his bench numbers:

4.0 pts, 2.5 rebs, 1.2 assists, 40.4% FG, 18.2% 3PT, 50.0% FT, 45.1 TS%

I mean part of the earlier theories were that he would be better off the bench, but yea. The wildest thing though is that he is +22.8 since coming off the bench, I guess the units he's been playing with have been really successful lately despite his inability to hit a shot.

Icecoldclipper
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Agreed its about being hesitant and not taking the shot enough. I've even seen Dudley create space and go not a bunch of dribbling but a jab dribble or pump step back has worked. Think this part is early year Blake problems where he gets the ball and over thinks his next move rather than creating a rhythm in confidence.

clipperboy24
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So wait, I don't get what you are saying. Are you saying Dudley is a low character guy without self control or? Lol I don't know if you've realized that there's a player on almost every team that has some dislike of Blake from playing against him. Blake isn't a fun person to play against because he beats on you then tries to dunk on you, then ask for fouls even though you did foul him, but he was beating on you. Really reaching here. Let's just stick to talking about basketball ability.
That's the sad thing the basketball side is his....

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Agent0
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Yea, but to be balanced, he's actually played good defense over the past 10 games or so, he's stayed in front of his man, contested well, even rebounded better (4.8 rebs/36 off the bench), but Dudley doesn't play good enough defense to overcome how bad his offense has been lately. Maybe the confidence was just too shot as he was feeling better in other areas, but it would take a lot of defense to make that up. Of course being a role player, Paul's presence will benefit him more than other guys who are more dynamic.

In the end, we also have to understand that part of the reason he's a trade name is that he's one of the few guys on the team who has a contract large enough to bring back a decently significant player and isn't one of the main players on the team. So generally a friendly decent contract is a good trade piece.

Agent0
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That's the sad thing the basketball side is his worst part right now. Oh and thanks for chiding and bringing it back, lol. It's ironic how people want to redirect the conversation when it doesn't match what they are saying. And no there aren't players on every team ripping Blake to the media or TMZ, especially not the way Dudley did. And those that are shouldn't be welcome on the team, learn that you are in the public and on some level held accountable for what you say and do. Can't wait for Dudley to be traded so....

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CP3Heliflopter
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I am disgusted by Dudley and his piss poor play but Evan Turner? Spencer Hawes? Lmfao. I wouldn't touch Evan Turner with a 10 foot pole. He is a mediocre player on a horrid team who can't shoot for **** is about to get a huge payday. Not to mention how do we magically acquire such players? Hawes also can't defend a garbage can not exactly what we need. Not to mention we can't afford them.

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Clipperboy24 is glad to spin what you just said into a straw man while also telling you to stop trying to frame the conversation...it's nauseatingly ironic and exactly why I don't converse with him.

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That's the sad thing the basketball side is his worst part right now. Oh and thanks for chiding and bringing it back, lol. It's ironic how people want to redirect the conversation when it doesn't match what they are saying. And no there aren't players on every team ripping Blake to the media or TMZ, especially not the way Dudley did. And those that are shouldn't be welcome on the team, learn that you are in the public and on some level held accountable for what you say and do. Can't wait for Dudley to be traded so he....

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clipperboy24
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Can shoot a jumper pretty well but still a solid rebounder and can block shots. Probably more in the kaman role but more mobile and better range.

clipperboy24
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He would be a massive upgrade to our other backup bigs. That's what we are talking about, not looking for a starting big. He would IMO be the perfect fit here, just what would be the price. He only makes $2mm more than Dudley just wonder if they would take Dudley and Jamison or Mullens and a 2nd rounder for him. They might think Dudley could bring a little vet leadership (let's pray they think that)

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Both Hawes and Turner have one year on their contracts and some dumb franchise will definitely overpay for them. Maybe Hawes would be good no thanks for Turner.

Why the heck would the Sixers want Jamison or Mullens who are both complete trash, a measly 2nd rounder and an underachieving role player? Does that sound like a realistic trade to you?

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I think the Knicks would do it. Denver might need to get a pick depending on how much they like Reggie.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxqzmto

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We'd have to give a lot more than out worst players to get Hawes or Turner. NBA.com has clips, you can watch them. Go watch Turner's game, he really doesn't make sense as a fit on this team. He's an on ball player who can't play off the ball effectively (like a Crawford who is a great spot up shooter), who is a mediocre defender and who is due for a pay day after padding his stats this year. The biggest thing is that they are both FA's and not only will the Clippers not be able to afford Turner, but they....

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