Rumor: Jared Dudley Being Shopped by the Clippers (P. 2)

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ClippersDA
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I think we can get someone approximately like bullock in another draft.

Icecoldclipper
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Hawes only going to be here for couple of months we should not be throwing Bullock out in deals like that.

Icecoldclipper
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Then we still wouldn't have the picks to build in other areas. OKC and Spurs do a great job of building a back line unit of young talent that can develop and step in when needed. We have Reggie to mold and build into a long term system we need to use this stacked draft to get some bigs and maybe a guard.

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Yep, we need to keep the future in mind.

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I guess it might be interesting to throw his name out and see what offers come in, but I doubt we'd "win" any trade with his value so low right now. Buying high and selling low is just plain bad business.

If nothing that makes us definitively better presents itself, I'd rather shut him down for a few weeks and see how he comes back.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=khh84dt

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k87stjt

What do you guys think?

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Not likely we get anything of value in return, but if we can at least dump his salary someway then we have financial flexibility to make other moves. At the least use the money free up by his salary for a quality big

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Never going to happen, and even if either were possible, why?

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I think we can win in a trade if we squeeze our way into someone else's big trade. Detroit trying to move Smith, or someone else trying to get Turner or Young. Maybe targeting guys like Dunleavy (which I don't know if he'd be ok with that), Shumpert, Wes Johnson, one of the young SF's from Denver. If we can squeeze into a trade and be facilitators, just like back when we got Young for Cook and a bag of chips, we can come out on top.

I'd love to get Ariza, Korver, or Hawes; but those teams aren't going to budge for what we got without us mortgaging our future or including a key player (Crawford, JJ, Collison).

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I'd do it for the sole purpose of the Lakers having to have Mullens on their team.

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We're well over the cap, dumping him would give us zero flexibility this year, the most we can offer a big would still be minimum and next year we're still mostly limited to our MLE. If you're looking to just dump players, Barnes would be better to dump anyway, he's older, playing just as bad or worse and paid just about as much.

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Beat me to it!

I do like namzug's idea of poking our noses into other peoples' trades though. Could be the best way to get some value back.

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I agree that could work. Main thing is that bigger contracts need to involved somewhere in the deal.

I think Dudley could be desirable to a tanking team; they could pretty much just him down for the year, lose a bunch of games and hope he comes back stronger next.

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INSIDER RUMOR: The 2014 NBA trade deadline is 15 days away and ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports the Los Angeles Clippers are shopping forward Jared Dudley. Stein writes: "Clippers 'itchy' to make a deal and Jared Dudley, with (playing time) harder to come by and logjam at wing spots, is unexpectedly in play ... hearing now he could be on move before Feb. 20 trade buzzer." The Clippers, when healthy have plenty of SG's/SF's with Matt Barnes, Reggie Bullock, Jamal Crawford, Willie Green, J.J. Redick, Hedo Turkoglu and Dudley under contract, so reading they are looking to deal one of them makes sense. The....

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It's nothing against Dudley if we can get Spencer Hawes for him and Bullock; which I don't think we can. Tough year for Jared to be an injured starter on a contender. We're in win now mode with a coach who has something to prove. I'm sure he'll be fine and playing like himself again somewhere. We really should trade Barnes, but he's older and playing worse then Dudley so I don't see us getting much in return.

Icecoldclipper
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Dudley should be moved for a big but I want a big that will be with us long term. Jason Thompson still feels like the perfect fit with our second unit and complimenting both starting bigs.

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MunoValente wrote:
We're well over the cap, dumping him would give us zero flexibility this year, the most we can offer a big would still be minimum and next year we're still mostly limited to our MLE. If you're looking to just dump players, Barnes would be better to dump anyway, he's older, playing just as bad or worse and paid just about as much.

Zero flexibility isn't entirely correct. This almost seems a a hidden reason to just keep Dudley. I was reading an article on a possible Lebron to Clippers article and this stood out to me:

Bryan Windhort & Ramona Shelborne wrote:
Unlike the Los Angeles Lakers and the Cavs -- two teams that have been mentioned as suitors for James this summer -- the Clippers will not have open cap space. They will not have the cap space to sign James as a maximum-level free agent. It would require a sign-and-trade if James ever got serious about the option. In short, it would take the Heat's cooperation.

For this reason, the Clippers are not on the national radar as a potential location for James if he decides to look around. It is unconventional to consider it. But what the Heat did to land James four years ago was not conventional, either. They were able to make some remarkable last-minute trades -- a detail that largely goes overlooked in history -- then convinced three stars in their primes to take pay cuts so they could play together. That is also a feat that remains unmatched by any of their peers.

The takeaway from that operation: Don't assume anything and don't underestimate competition.

The point of this quote is to show that we shouldn't be deterred to deal Dudley away for the thought that we won't have enough cap space to sign anyone of quality. None of us know what deals could follow that and who can come in.

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If we need to dump players for a mythical Lebron James trade that is something we can deal with in the offseason, rather than now. If Lebron really wants to come here, his people will find a way for us to dump whatever salary we need. If we're trading now, we need people that help us now.

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Yep, there's no hurry for that now and a lot has to happen for us and Lebron for that to come to fruition anyway. The Heat win another championship it all be a moot point anyway. Could be a really fun off season though.

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Part of us winning now would be unloading Dudley for someone who will actually help the team.

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I like Spencer Hawes , but I have my doubts. Why? Mullens! The Stretch-C experiment DEFINITELY did not work when we tried it with Mullens. I still do not think Players of LOTTERY teams can....

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BringKamanBack
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let's trade him for caron butler *laughs* *cries internally*

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this isn't about Lebron. The point is that a team can shed salary to make room for a player that will help. Trading Dudley is just one of the moves this team can make to acquire a better player. Miami had to make a lot of moves to get their big three we don't even need a big three just a solid 11 to 14 points per game player at the small forward and a backup big. And it starts with moving Dudley. The article on Lebrons move to Miami is just to illustrate how the notion of salary cap restrictions can change with some moves

ClippersDA
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Hawes>>>>>Mullens

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...and ice-cream>>>>>>syphilis.

Your point is?

ClippersDA
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Someone was saying they were wary of the stretch five after Mullens. My point is Mullens is the broke man's hawes

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Agreed. We have some players that can be swapped out. There are going to be some clubs that realize that the playoffs are out of reach. In this scenario the star players or quality ancillary players will want out and they will opt to swap these players out for some that know their time there is limited.

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It's amazing how many players were brought in to stretch the floor with shooting this offseason: Redick, Dudley, and Mullens. Of those three only Redick panned out and lived up to the billing.

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Hawes is presently shooting over 40% from deep and his PER is more than double Byron's. They are nothing alike.

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The only reason shedding salary for a possible sign and trade for Lebron is relevant is because teams over the tax can't do sign and trades. Clearing space during the season does nothing, unless you go under the cap and we are nowhere near that. If we want improve our team we either need to trade for players or sign players for minimum, salary dumps are completely pointless for a team in our position.

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In my opinion Doc is only waiting for Chris Paul to play with Dudley for the needed spacing if nothing happens with it he will be traded,last night he really sucks with shooting,if he contributed last night we win the hard fought game we are lacking the 3 point shooting last night from our wings.

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not quite salary dumps clear cap space for run at players. even if it isn't to acquire a player this year cap space may be cleared for a potential run at a player in the offseason. even if trading Dudley doesn't clear up space for this year Dudley is horrible...trading him will be an inevitability and if we have the opportunity to then its best for our club. even after we trade him and if we are still not under cap then we just move another player that can get us under the cap and get us that financial flexibility we need. the point of the matter is that trading Dudley on his own won't get us under the cap but moving him plus a few more players will. the outlook that trading him won't do anything for us is not correct. neither should we be paying him to sit on the bench...which is what he's doing.

either way Dudley is on his way out...he's either gone now or at the end of the year, and if its now then that is one less underperforming player we need to move

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Dudley is a disgrace. Good riddance. Sucks that we are looking to trade him when his value is an all time low though.

Icecoldclipper
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Can we say the knee is still a issue?

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great question.

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Our options are either trade him at an all time low or play him at an all time low.

In both cases we lose.

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They are only comparable stats if we miss all the important ones and are only using raw starts which only say so much. Hawes is a far superior shooter, Mullens was a terrible offensive and defensive player, any more than basic examination of his stats supported that.

My worry would be the they want a young player, so Bullock, Hawes is a half year rental with no guarantee of him staying or being affordable.

Comparable stats don't imply any comparable outcome. Mullens would still put up stats if we played him minutes. We would just be a terrible team of Mullens is playing a lot of minutes on our team.

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Hawes would be great, but I think that is more than what we actually need. I know that sounds stupid, but if we put out another 6 million in our front court there is no way we get a decent wing stopper.

To give up Bullock for a possible one year rental would be much. We need a back up big, Hawes is a starter (it might be borderline, but it's really close) in my opinion, and will seek starter money. I'm guessing a slight bump in his current salary is what he will be looking for. I'd think more like a Mahini, or Biyombo type player.

Personally I'd be happier with using Dudley to:

a) get a replacement. a starting 3 like Demarre Carroll would be great.

b) unload Mullens, Jamison, or maybe Hollins (I think he's a good 3rd option at center, our problem is he is our 1st option as a back up center). As many of those guys that can be unloaded would be great.

I wouldn't have a problem with some of the guys playing overseas to help as a back up big, Shavlick or Haddadi would be good in my opinion.

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People act like bullock is some prize - he was a late first round pick that isn't shooting well from the floor. We are in win now mode, he's expendable.

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its bleak in regards to our options. I wonder what Doc has in the works.

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Do u guys think sasha will stay with us? Dud needs to go prolly trade him to philly this weekend since sixers r playing in town this weekend

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We got to find a team that values Bullock the same or nearly the same as a 1st round pick. Package Duds with Bullock and get a player. I don't know who that is but it should be a wing. as much as we need a good back up big, I don't want to ruin our wing depth to get it.

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People act like bullock is some prize - he was a late first round pick that isn't shooting well from the floor. We are in win now mode, he's expendable.
Are we in win now mode? I would rather be able to make a few runs at a title that put all our chips on this year. Do we sell our only asset for a rental? If that is the plan then why not go all in, do this (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k5gt23y) and add enough picks to convince Denver. If we are in win now mode, then there's....

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Maybe the only organization out there that thinks Dudley is worth something is Phoenix, because they've seen firsthand what he's capable of and they know he's just in a slump. Can't think of anyone that Phoenix would give us in a direct trade, maybe a 3 team trade?

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Clips canceled practice today, and Dudley tweeted "Tough times never last, But tough people do.".

Perhaps a trade is coming today or tomorrow? Maybe I'm just reading too much (hoping) into this.

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It's true. No matter what we think Of,Dudley he'll be in the league for a while

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I really see it hard to get any type of trade value for Dudley.

Maybe he just needs to get into shape, maybe hire a dietician. He looks the heaviest that I can remember. He might just be eating out a lot more. The amount of calories burned throughout a nba basketball schedule for a professional player must be through the roof, so maybe now in so cal he might be eating out too much and he hasn't had to watch it in the past so it's been catching up to him. Personally I wish the Clippers had a dietician look at everyone's diet, not to alter it, but rather to make any suggestions and offer healthier alternatives.

Last year Caron seemed to come in great shape in my opinion, but seemed to get heavier throughout the season. What if these guys are going out with guys like DJ or Blake who could very likely have a great metabolisms and they do not?

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How about E Bled. Tell Phoenix we realized we made a mistake.

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I'm all for trading Jared Dudley, I didn't like him coming to the team in the first place. First off we should and the entire league should know that a player coming out of the Suns organization will not produce the same they were on the Suns team. Their medical staff is top notch and keep their players together no matter what. We saw it with Grant Hill, Steve Nash, Shaq, Amare Stoudemire, and now Jared Dudley. Secondly the way he talked about the franchise in an interview with the fine people at TMZ was disgusting. I've been all the way done with Dudley right when we signed him. I liked the add of JJ but Dudley needs to go. I hope we can package Mullens with him and maybe get a big man coming off the bench. I like having Barnes as our starting SF

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