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ClipperKyle32
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I do not like the idea of trading to move salary. We were on the good end of that. NBA could easily nix the trade and we are out of good players. Damn. Look at....

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This is what we do.

STEP 1: Trade DJ & Jamal to PHX for the 14th & 18th pick along with Gerald Green

STEP 2: Trade Dudley for a future 2nd round pick

STEP 3: Don't let Collison, Baby and Granger pick up their player options and don't pick up Willie's team option.

This would put our team salary at $51,142,231 including Gerald Green.

With the projected salary cap being $63,200,000 we could sign LeBron

STEP 4: Sign LeBron to a 4yr $54,000,000 contract starting at $12 mil a year and increasing $1 mil each year.

That leaves us the Full MLE ($5.2mil) and the Bi-Annual Exception ($2mil) to sign FA's along with unlimited veteran minimum contracts and rookie contracts.

STEP 5: Use $4 mil of the Full MLE to sign Avery Bradley. Use the rest of the $1.2 mil to re-sign Collison. Use the BAE to sign Pau Gasol. Then use the veteran minimums to sign DeJaun Blair and Chris Kaman

STEP 6: Draft Zach LaVine with 14th pick, Adriene Payne with the 18th pick and Mitch McGary with the 28th pick.

Our Roster:

CP3/Collison

Redick/Bradley/LaVine

LBJ/Green/Barnes

Griffin/Payne/Blair

Pau/Kaman/McGary

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we can all expect none of this to happen

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Duh! But the offseason is for dreamers.

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Chris Paul and Blake Griffin commanding 37 million between them. And projected salary cap is 63 million. If we we to shed everyone but those 2 that leaves 26 million. If I were go pursuing Melo or LeBron and needed to shed contracts I would pursue a 3 team trade with sun's and piston :

Clippers giving Jordan to pistons, Josh Smith to the suns, and sun's 14 pick and Gerald green to the piston, while clippers get Andre drummond at 2.5 million. Basically get a similarly athletic center at 8 million dollars less.

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In 2010, he was "very likely" to stay in Cleveland, "very likely" to go to Chicago, "very likely" to go to New York, etc. As the article even states, "very likely" still gives LeBron an out. I'd rather have Melo honestly. I love and respect LeBron , but I just don't like the fact of us basically buying championships lol. I'd rather win the right way with a core of CP, Blake, and DJ with guys like ariza or deng around them or Melo. Maybe I am crazy , but I'd take Melo over LeBron of any other SF.....

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To be honest, it's not as simple as just saying "we were 30 seconds away from the WCF, no big changes necessary" for a number of reasons. This team choked away Game 5, had another whole game ahead of them, and then blew another lead and lost in Game 6. They didn't really deserve to be in the WCF with how they blew that series against a Thunder team that really isn't all that great. Not to mention, they struggled to even get out of the first round and may have lost that series if Bogut was healthy.

At the end of the day, this team is still overreliant on CP3, a playoff choker who dominates the ball at a position where doing so has the lowest correlation to championships. In addition to that, we also have too many regular-season players whose games don't translate to the playoffs (Jamal and DJ come to mind). Signing a backup big and someone like Ariza/Deng doesn't fix the fundamental problems that are holding us back from true contention. Not even Melo fixes those flaws, IMO.

Finally, windows can close quickly and unexpectedly in the NBA. We can't get complacent and settle for status quo without exhausting all better possible options first.

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Why couldn't you have just said this and cut the whole "choking" bit out? You actually almost made sense for once.

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Because it's a fact that CP3 choked yet again and that if we want to even get past the second round anytime soon, let alone win a title, we need to either find a way to make him not the first option anymore or trade him for the best return we can get.

The way I see it, CP3 is the Joe Thornton of the NBA. Both of them are skilled passers who are tentative scoring-wise but dominate in the regular season anyway, but completely vanish in the playoffs. The Thornton-era Sharks have fallen into the trap of thinking "we were so close, no major changes necessary" for almost a decade now and have only gotten worse in the playoffs every year. Eventually, the embarrassment of blowing a 3-0 series lead this year has finally called Thornton's continued status as a Shark into question. I'd rather not turn into the NBA version of the Sharks, so we need to make some big changes to get better in the playoffs. We can't keep reloading around a Thornton and expecting Gretzky results.

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Let's not use hockey analogies to compare NBA players. Hockey is such a different sport. Just this year we saw the best hockey player on the planet score one goal in the entire playoffs.

And in hockey you can have the greatest linemates in the world, but if you have an average goalie you aren't going to do sh*t.

The best player in the NBA just lost 4-1 in the Finals. Maybe if Chris Paul and LeBron James had better teammates they wouldn't "choke"

If you're gonna say LeBron didn't choke you must say Chris Paul didn't choke. Both played amazing, both had mistakes, both are still the best players at their position whether or not someone on the internet calls them "chokers"

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JQuick, when LeBron makes mistakes or has losses its Wade and The others fault , but when Chris loses its his fault? How is that fair. I do not care about rings or anythings else.....

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Anything LeBron might have done wrong pales in comparison to what CP3 pulled down the stretch of Game 5. Sorry, but that was the textbook definition of a choke.

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Atleast Chris Paul put us in a position where the final plays of the game actually meant something. LeBron never had a chance to do that because his team was getting BLOWN OUT night in and night out.

The Heat lost every game by 14+ points. LeBron didn't choke....he never even got a chance to chew.

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Getting that lead was a team effort.... until Jamal started chucking and CP3 decided it was his time to try to outsmart the refs and dribble out the clock rather than play basketball.

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I'd call it the textbook definition of a brain lapse. There was only one bad play, where he tried shooting before getting fouled (the foul on Westbrook is just like every other contested 3 pointer, refs can call it if they feel like it).

That play wasn't choking. Choking is having a jumper to win the game and airballing it.

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So then what's it called when LeBron scores just 4 points in the 2nd half and has 7 TO's??

If LeBron's teammates are as bad as you keep saying they are, then why does he keep passing it to them?

So let me get this straight. CP is a choker for trusting Jamal to hit shots? but LeBron isn't a choker for passing it to Rashard Lewis and Mario Chalmers in the 2nd half of a home game and personally only scoring 4 points?!?!?

Funny

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All this crazy nonsense about the Clippers trading DJ and Crawford and several others to get Lebron is just that. Nonsense. It's not going to happen.

As I stated earlier, if Lebron wants to come here he can make that happen. It's on him to do it. Based on what I've read about his outside earnings, he can stay in Miami and make around 85-million a year, or come to the Clippers as a free agent, sign for a minimal deal and make 75-million a year

Sure, maybe he won't want to do that, but the odds are better, he does that than the Clippers do what they would need to do to create enough cap space to give him a max deal CP3 would need to cut a couple million. Blake Griffin would need to cut a couple million and DJ, Blake, CP3 and Lebron could all make around 10 million a year and the team would be the best in NBA history

These trade scenarios won't work If Blake, DJ, CP3 and Lebron want it to happen, they will have to work the phones and make the deal

Of course non of that will happen until the Sterling situation is resolved with him gone...

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c anthony will flourish in the triangle offense..

under jackson and fisher..

he is not going anywhere...

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Carmelo would be really nice.

We have to play Kawhi 4x's, Durant 4x's, Parsons 4x's, Batum 4x's, Iggy 4x's, Gay 4x's, LeBron 2x's, George 2x's

That's 28 games where Melo would have a great chance of out scoring the opposing SF every single game.

That would mean those teams would have to beat us using their other players. Luckily for us none of those SF's have better teammates than CP & BG.

Melo is never gonna shut any of those guys down (although he's a much better defender than given credit for) but he's the definition of "the best defense is a good offense". For every 2 steps Durant takes, Melo can take 2 steps right back at him.

CArmelo!!

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If we were to unload JJ with Deandre and Jamal (maybe separate deals). Then wouldn't we have enough to sign melo or Lebron plus a solid 5? Not saying to do this or would happen, but isn't it the best way to unload cap.

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From Windhorst:

Come to LA and stack up the rings, LeBron!

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Problem is, that philosophy works in the regular season, but not the playoffs.

Carmelo should go somewhere like the Bulls where they have enough defensive players to hide how bad he is on that end.

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Bill Simmons on possibility of LeBron leaving:

http://grantland.com/features/24-lingering-questions-from-the-nba-fina ls/

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How does Bill Simmons know the Clippers are pursuing this? Do his season tickets allow him to sit in on personnel decisions with the Clippers? Damn, my MVP offers only include a free viewing of Hercules and a free Galaxy game.

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Ohhhh snap Top 3 odds to land LeBron

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

Ohhhh snap Top 3 odds to land LeBron

I think Cleveland falls to 3 now with the hire of David Blatt and Embiid falling in the draft.

I could've easily seen LeBron going to Cleveland if they had a healthy Embiid and a proven coach.

Does LeBron really want to play under a rookie coach and along side a rookie who plays the same position as him (Parker/Wiggins)?

I can't tell if it's just my homerism, but I feel we are legitimately his 2nd option behind Miami.

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slight homeristic , but it backed by facts. Isn't Chris LeBron's kids GodFather? LeBron and Chris are great friends , but I still do not see him leaving Miami. I mean his wife just opened....

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I picked the Dodger game,now I don't even know when that is,

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I never thought Cleveland was even in the picture. Dan Gilbert will never live down "The Letter". Miami is likely Lebron's team next year, but only if Wade and Bosh take paycuts, it's really in their hands. Something about Wade though makes me think he wants a Kobe-esque contract, we'll see.

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PEEVS me how some fans are still shrugging off that play as just 'a mistake' or 'bad play'. There is no reason why that should have happened in a semi-final game 5 and especially from our 'superstar' who we pay millions and expect to play flawlessly especially in crunch situations like that, it not only cost us game 5 win, that series but also potentially a trip to WCF and/or the championship SMMFDH

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You expect all superstar players to play flawlessly in crunch time? LOL that has never happened nor will it ever happen.

Here's a quote from the greatest clutch player of all time. Michael Jordan

"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."

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The chris paul mistake is beyond a bad decision it was a series of mental chokes. Plain and simple he needs to come back and redeem the horrible decision making in game 5 ending and limit his flops. This has nothing to do with shots its about cracking at the worse possible 3 plays in a row.

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It's pure homerism and excuse making. These are the same people who tried to claim that "LeBronze" choked in this year's Finals when he was the only one on his team playing well, but they'll do ridiculous mental gymnastics to explain away CP3's textbook definition of a choke. CP3 gets so many excuses and passes from both the national media and his fans while other players like LeBron, Melo, and Dwight who have actually been past the second round of the playoffs in their careers get ripped to shreds. Imagine what the reaction would be if LeBron ever pulled what CP3 did at the end of Game 5!

IMO, if CP3 doesn't come back next year having made significant changes to his game - most notably, no more flopping, no more hogging the ball because he doesn't want Blake to outshine him, and no more trying to outsmart the refs - then trade his ass to the highest bidder because it'll be clear he's not serious about winning.

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He actually did , but Ray Allen saved his ass. This Finals he had 7 turnovers one game. I mean if that is not LeBron like then why does he get a pass and Chris....

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I love that quote by Jordan. That's why i think he's the greatest player of all time. With that said, what CP3 did on that play in game 5 is NOT what Jordan would ever do. That quote doesn't pertain to CP3. What CP3 did was one of the most stupidest plays ever when the game was basically over. All he needed to do was dribble away till they had to foul him. Had he missed both free throws, only then would I say the quote pertains to him but that didn't happen. he got cute and he paid the price on it. Who tries to chuck up a halfcourt shot when the game is basically over? Jordan? I think not.

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LeBronze didn't choke away the finals, he played hesitant until the game was basically out of reach and then put up a lot of garbage points. The MVP of the finals had him in check most of the series and that had LeBronze ballhogging, ballstopping, and hesitating most of the clock and then dumping it late cause MVP Leonard had him in check.

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He actually did , but Ray Allen saved his ass.

Wrong. Allen's shot would have just been meaningless garbage-time statpadding if not for a huge shot from LeBron right before it. This, by the way, was after LeBron had led them all the way back from a halftime deficit with a lineup of him and shooters. When Wade checked in and ruined the Heat's spacing is when the Spurs took that late five-point lead.... if anyone choked on the Heat in Game 6 last year, it was Wade. LeBron then went on to dominate Game 7, by the way.

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I mean if that is not LeBron like then why does he get a pass and Chris doesn't just because he won 2 Chips?

First of all, LeBron doesn't get a pass. He was absolutely skewered by the media and fans from start to finish this series for not beating the Spurs by himself and for having the audacity to get cramped up in Game 1. Second of all, hard to say he choked when he was perhaps having the best Finals of his career. Wade and Bosh, however, absolutely choked and **** the bed. Their play was unbecoming of the "superstars" they're hyped up to be, especially Wade, who completely disgraced himself.

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Exactly. CP3 hit the trifecta of boneheaded plays. One of the worst sequences I have ever seen in the playoffs. It's worse than Cassell's 8 second violation by a long shot.

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Chris Paul averaged 20/10/4/2.8 but apparently that is your definition of "not playing well"

He was our best player throughout that entire series kinda like LeBron was the best player throughout the Finals.

LeBron scored 4 pts in the 2nd half of Game 3 with 7 TO's on his home court. Answer me this JQuick, how is that not considered choking??

I can't wait for your answer. I'm assuming it's going to be along the lines of "LeBron's a proven champion, how many rings does Chris have?"

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You let his choke in Game 5 override the good he did prior that put us in a position to possibly be up 3-2!

That choke was bad enough that it will be the only thing anyone remembers from that series. Nobody remembers how dominant LeBron was against the Bulls in 2011 because he followed it up with such a bad Finals. Likewise, nobody will care about CP3's Game 1 because he was so dismal down the stretch of Game 5.

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You have to show value a guy like Chris. As far as I remember this team wasn't making the playoffs until Chris got here. And it isn't like we slipped in. We have been 5 or Higher. You need to show some respect to Chris.

Being a perennial first/second-round treadmill team, Atlanta Hawks West, is not really that much better than being a lottery team... in fact, it's probably worse. At some point, just making the playoffs isn't enough anymore and there needs to be some actual progress being made.

And respect? What respect has CP3 shown to us? Was it the butthurt "WoW" tweet he sent out when he didn't end up getting traded to the Lakers? Was it his threats to go play with that mental midget Dwight in Dallas or Atlanta after the front office had spent the past two years bending over backwards to please him? Was it the way he ran the franchise's name through the mud trying to deny that he wanted VDN fired, knowing full well that the media would automatically side against the Clippers because of DTS? Or was it his refusal to take even a penny less than the max? Respect is earned, and CP3's actions over the years have demonstrated that he cares more about his fake-ass "classy" persona and his paycheck than the Clippers, so why does he deserve unquestioned respect?

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LeBron averaged 28.2 PPG on 57% shooting. If that's "keeping him in check," then I'd love to see what kind of numbers he would have put up if they weren't "keeping him in check."

Ballhogging and ballstopping is what Kobrick does when he chucks his terrible shots at a 38% clip in the Finals. His 2004 Finals bed-shitting is still the worst Finals performance from a supposed first option I've ever seen (Bird's 1981 Finals was a bit before my time). But when Kobrick chucks, it's "clutch" and "the will to win," but when LeBron makes the right plays and is absurdly efficient, he's "hesitant" and "LeBronze."

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You do understand that Florida and California are completely different states right? One has State Income Tax and The Other Doesnt. All Wade,Bosh,and James get 9 figures. Chris is the only player on our team....

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JQuick are your cramping up or something? You've yet to answer my question.....again?

CHOKE!!

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The reason why Blake doesn't get **** for not getting past the second round yet is because he's 25 years old, not even in his prime yet, and hasn't even gotten a fair chance to be the first option. Meanwhile, CP3 is going to be 30 soon, is in his prime, supposedly the best PG in the league, and has failed to do it with deep teams in both NOLA and LAC.

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I already explained that Wade and Bosh choked away this year's Finals. It doesn't really bear repeating.

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Oh! It was Bosh and Wade who shut LeBron down in the 2nd half. They also forced him to turn it over SEVEN times. Good to know.

Hahaha your palms must be getting sweaty on account of all this choking.

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Sorry, lebron got a lot of those points against Boris. Lebron couldn't post up, go by, or jab step his way to a layup against Leonard. Dude, Leonard and Green were picking his pocket a lot cause he was just holding it too much. And like I said, the closeout game he came out timid, missing easy layups, and jab stepping out the clock. he padded his stats after the game was out of reach and after the defense became a bit lax. Stats are one dimensional until you add context.

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So if LeBron gets a pass for his teammates choking. Chris's teammates I guess you could say choked as well. Darren Collison had 1 point. DJ had 0 points. Jamal shot 7-22. Matt Barnes had....

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chris paul is called the best point guard in the nba???

blake is not considered the best pf...

blake keeps getting better every year..

chris blew that playoff game, choke is a polite word for what happened..

he gave the game away!!!!!

why????

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