Rumor: Clippers Possibility Of Acquiring Lebron James (P. 11)

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To be fair, just like the rejected trades that we are finding out about, this was probably a Sterling directed move. Also Aminu was highly rated, so it's hard to pin that on him in a negative light, everyone misses out on some guys in the draft. Draft express called his "worst" case Thaddeus Young for example, and that would be Thaddeus Young with better defense. They also had him ranked him 5th in their mock drafts in May of the year he was to be drafted. Aminu and George were really considered similar talents, long, athletic, prototype wings, and their....

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But Stotts also ranked 15th in Off Rtg the year before. They were ranked 11th in Off Rtg the year prior under nate McMillian. That tells me it had more to do with having the core healthy again. Batum, Mathews, and especially Aldridge killed it this past season.

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Yeah, I gave Credit to Olshey for Lopez even though it wasn't his first choice. Liilard was a no-brainer. they had no PG and in that draft, it was PG scarce aside from Lilliard. Luckily, they had a high pick to grab him. It's a can-do aura? I wouldn't go that far but lest agree to disagree.

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Oh...and Olshey along with Roeser hired Vinny Del Negro.

So let's add up the tallies.

Sacks has hired Doc Rivers. Fired VDN. Re-signed Chris Paul. Re-signed Blake Griffin. Acquired Redick, Collison, Crawford, Barnes

Olshey has hired VDN. Hired Terry Stotts, traded for Chris Paul, overpaid for Batum, signed Mo Williams twice, Robin Lopez and drafted Lillard.

Sacks wins.

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Signing barnes as a positive? We can't seem to trade him no one wants him

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Matt Barnes was huge for our Bench Mobb the year before last and he was getting paid nothing. We re-signed him for a decent price to be our backup, but Dudley didn't pan out so he had to be our starter and still was pretty good for us, especially after the deadline.

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I like Barnes and he was traded to the knicks for Shumpart before DTS nixed the deal.

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Agreed. Some people don't like him but I'd rather keep him, just not as a starter.

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Signing him for the minimum was good - signing him for his contract was bad. He's no spring chicken. We need to get younger on the wing.

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I think he earned his contract. He can always be traded. Just like this past deadline. I ain't going to lie, I was glad he wasn't traded for Shumpert.

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He was also the guy who used the 11 pick to draft Meyers Leonard, Who, I'm not sure if you guys watch blazers games, but is a pile of actual garbage.

Blazer fan here. I REALLY wanted Leonard to get better, but at this point, I'm thinking we need to trade him to another team and cut our losses.

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All of these moves aren't championship caliber moves. Getting Lopez is a good move, it's not a championship move. He didn't let Batum walk, but he overpaid for him by a lot. He's not worth $11mil a year.

Being passionate and infectious isn't going to persuade other GM's to give him their best players.

Gary Sacks and Doc have outgunned Olshey so far by a lot.

What are we defining as "championship caliber moves" though? Just about no one at the time the Kawhi Leonard for George Hill trade was a "championship caliber move", yet Kawhi got Finals MVP and is now generally accepted as the heir apparent to Duncan himself. Winning an NBA championship doesn't require two or three "big championship caliber" moves, it just requires a lot of smaller, "good" moves.

Batum isn't as overpaid as many have made him out to be. He makes timely threes, defends well, and he's going to be only 26 next season. He's got one or two more years left of improvements, too. Say what you want about Olshey's decision to match, but he's exactly the type of player you guys would kill for on the Clippers right now.

Of course just being passionate and infectious isn't going to persuade other GMs to give up their best players. As a small market however, we're never going to attract the Lebrons and Carmelos of the world. We have to draft right (like with Lillard) and pick off young up and comers with potential (like Thomas Robinson and Robin Lopez) whenever we can.

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Yup... he also spent 7 months setting up that trade with Demps only to be beaten to the punch by Kupcake when the time came to make the deal. David Stern wearing his owner's hat deserves MUCH more credit than Olshey.

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You do know that him walking away enabled us to keep Bledsoe right? If he would have jumped the gun our first round and Bledsoe would have been both gone.

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And you do know that if Stern hadn't stepped in the lakers would have gotten CP3, right?

Olshey got very, VERY lucky with that trade.

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All trades have to be approved by the owner. So you're saying the owner which was stern had no right to veto the trade that would handicapped the team for years. That's not lucky that's being business savy.

Why is it that. Olshey keeps getting lucky like with Lillard, stots, Williams, and Lopez.

When are WE going to get lucky. Last trade that we won very lopsided was Brian cook for Nick young. Again how come we haven't got "lucky" since?

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Where did I say that owners have no right to veto trades?

Stern had every right to veto, but if he'd kept his nose out and let Demps be autonomous (which he'd previously said he would), then Demps would have taken Kupcake's offer and Olshey would have been left holding his d*ck in a deal he was working on for 7 months. Olshey is VERY lucky that the likes of Gilbert and Cuban made a noise, and VERY lucky that Stern listened to them.

You can mention Lillard, Lopez, etc. all you like... but for every good move he's made, there has been an equally bad one... Aminu, Gomes, Irving.

I don't think he's a bad GM... I just don't think he's a particularly good one.

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Why would an owner keep his nose out? So you're saying that we should have given up Bledsoe and first round? I am glad we didn't have Irivng. Some people think CP ruins BG growth imagine what Irving and Gordon would have done to BG. Yikes! Only bad move was Gomes caused he didn't get to redeem that move everything else he redeemed himself.

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I wish we had Vinny in the front office. I really think her would have kicked ass

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Well, with Wade actually opting out, looks like LeBron's staying. On to plan B, aka "we'd better get Ariza or Deng and a real backup big or don't expect any playoff success."

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I told ya....

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Yeah, you just keep on pretending I said things I didn't.

According to Neil Olshey's own words, he started talking to Demps at the draft combine in May 2011 about acquiring CP3 and they spoke regularly for 7 months to put a deal together. Then, at the 11th hour, Kupcake shows up with his package of overpaid geriatrics and convinces Demps that they'd make for a more competitive team.

If Stern hadn't gone against his own promise to give Demps freedom of player personnel, Olshey would have seriously sh*t the bed. He allowed himself to be usurped by Kupcake and screwed over by Demps.

Polish his turds all you want to, but those are the facts.

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Getting back to the thread,no way now. With Bosh and Wade opting out you know darn well the "Big 3" are up to something designed to beef up the Miami team.

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Meanwhile, we draft ANOTHER shooting guard, go 2 years without a backup big and what feels like a decade without an NBA-caliber small forward. Oh, and we allow a six-foot-nothing point guard who chokes in the playoffs to dominate the ball and overdribble.

Not hard to see why some franchises win titles and others never even sniff the conference finals.

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Seriously go be a Miami Heat fan...

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With the Big 3 all opting out, there's really no chance the Clippers could land LeBron. Probably time to move on to what can be realistically achieved in free agency.

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Can u give me a link where stern agreed to the lakers trade and then backtrack. First time I've heard of that. Freedom of personnel doesn't mean your actions go uncheck. What kind of owner would turn a blind eye to such a lopsided deal that depreciates the team's value and ability to get it sold

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Why? Should all fans clap and cheer even though it's evident that our FO have been ridiculously bad for the past 2+ years.

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#sarcasm

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Dude, you must have voices in your head. I never said Stern agreed then backtracked. That's the third time in three posts that you're attributing statements to me which I haven't made.

David Stern promised Dell Demps autonomy over personnel decisions. FACT.

Dell Demps negotiated with Olshey for 7 months over CP3. FACT.

Olshey made his offer after the lockout ended. FACT.

Kupcake made a competing offer. FACT.

Demps turned his back on Olshey and agreed to the lakers/Rockets offer. FACT.

Olshey sat there with his d*ck in his hand until Gilbert, Cuban and others complained and Stern stepped in to rescue him. FACT*

*Maybe his d*ck wasn't literally in his hand for 3 days, but the rest is undeniable.

Without Dan Gilbert, Mark Cuban and eventually David Stern getting involved, Olshey would have ended up punked worse than Justin Bieber in the San Quentin showers.

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Dude just give me a link smh where stern said to Demps that he could do whatever the heck he wants lol instead of listing your "facts" I have a hard time believing the nba commissioner at the time and acting owner of NO would turn a blind eye. Fact is a trade with the lakers was just a proposal. It isn't a trade unless the owner approves it. That's like saying we successfully traded for Ariza. No there's a proposed trade for ariza for butler but it was never finalized since DTS vetoed it. You keep acting like the lakers trade was finalized and approved by the owner (stern)

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Most people on here tend to go the self-righteous homer route and blindly defend anything this team does. Smart fans realize that the front office has been a chaotic mess for years now and as a result, the team on the court is never going to be good enough. We blow draft picks, make bad trades, bad signings and take way too long to address obvious holes in the roster. It's ridiculous how we have seemingly a new GM every year while Buford has been in San Antonio forever.

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As apposed to those fans that that live off foolish pipe dreams even though the facts slap them right in the face, right? All you do is criticize everything clippers without prejudice. Hell, only thing you defend is Lebron and he's on another team. Like you, I went after CP3 for costing us a closeout game. The difference between you and I is that I thought we had a legit chance at the finals had we closed out the Thunder at home. We fell short because of that single play. I think the team was good enough if not for that mental mistake. I don't want big changes this upcoming season cause I know we're good now. All you care about is being closer to Lebron. Well, that dream is dead so go back to what you do best.

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I think there were two plays that killed us. Paul's melt down, which really was three plays and Crawford's defensive failure to step up covering a simple screen and roll, which gave Westbrook a wide open three. If he had defended that one play as he should have, game 3 or 4 (I forget which) might have also been ours.

Like you Joe, I think we are there. A little better luck, a little more playoff experience and we have what it takes to win it all. I would still make a few minor improvements. Better defenders at the 2 and 3 (either in a starting or backup role) and a real backup big.

We're not getting Lebron and as much as I would like to have him (who wouldn't?). I won't be holding my breath.

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Dude just give me a link smh where stern said to Demps that he could do whatever the heck he wants lol instead of listing your "facts" I have a hard time believing the nba commissioner at the time and acting owner of NO would turn a blind eye. Fact is a trade with the lakers was just a proposal. It isn't a trade unless the owner approves it. That's like saying we successfully traded for Ariza. No there's a proposed trade for ariza for butler but it was never finalized since DTS vetoed it. You keep acting like the....

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You guys are right. Olshey wasn't really better than Sacks if you look at all the facts. I thought letting Olshey go was a mistake, but I've changed my mind after this thread.

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"The trade between the Lakers, Hornets and Houston Rockets had been consummated late Thursday afternoon... Officials involved in the trade talks said the league office was consulted throughout the negotiations, and there was never an indication Demps didn't have the power to make a deal. In fact, several teams negotiating with New Orleans to get Paul asked the league office and were told Demps had full authority to execute a trade." http://sports.yahoo.com/news/teams-still-pushing-paul-trade-165000226- -nba.html It was common knowledge that Stern wanted to stay out of any deals to avoid the perception of impropriety. I even remember Stern saying that in interviews when doubt was....

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Thanks, Sam.

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Oh My Gosh... Hahaha my heart dropped when I saw this haha

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Actually, the part I quoted and underlined said exactly that: "FULL AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE A TRADE" is pretty unequivocal.

But that's OK... you just keep singing the same song...

"Give me an 'O'... give me an 'L'... give me an 'S'... give me an 'H'... give me an 'E'... give me a 'Y'... goooooooooooooooooooo NEIL!!!"

Yay Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_26

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I think the chances went really low today since LeBron told his agent he wants the maximum salary allowed (whatever that is,22 million maybe?).

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I told you, Jquick32. LeBron wasn't going to take a paycut to come here. Now he won't meet with anyone unless they have the mula, dead presidents, dinero....Money.

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So ESPN has this article today: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11156578/los-angeles-clippers-lebron -james-best-title-shot which i am not going to print here and take out bandwidth,but ya'll can read it and the number one thing I read in it is this is real easy to do,just send Blake to Miami. And, remarkably, there are two completely different ways the Clips could land LeBron and still be historically great: (a) by clearing cap space by offloading several tradable players; or (b) by working with the Heat on a sign-and-trade of LeBron for Blake Griffin. Naturally, the team would strongly prefer to keep Griffin. No doubt LeBron would also find it much more....

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sign and trade...jordan..redick..and dudley..thats..22.4 mil...

and leaves crawford for the second unit..then we would need a center????

unless griffin can play some center for us in a small line up?

and get paul gasol to play the rest???

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Yeah, it really is that easy.

Because it's not like Pat Riley and LeBron have to actually agree to a S&T, or Pau Gasol isn't really excited to go from $19mil a year to $1.3mil.

Maybe Miami will even throw in a couple of draft picks since they're all about helping us out.

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If it were only that easy, LOL.

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pat riley would love to have a great center like dj,remember he was coaching the lakers...

so if the king wants to leave to come to la...which he should...he can make so much more money in endorsements in the second biggest city...(L.A.)

he would be close to hollywood where he can make a movie or 2...close to the music industry..

if not ..he can stay with the heat..

the clips need a back up center and a small forward..

center could be ..spencer hawes...or ..jordan hill or ed davis...

small forward ,maybe ..parsons,ariza,or mike miller..

not the end of the world if the king does not come to play with the clips..

would be a great team with him and blake together..

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Does LeBron want to go back to the Heat if Shabazz Napier is their best PG and they don't find a good replacement for Battier?

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LeBron is trying to keep potential suitors under wraps.

Doc, get your butt to Cleveland.

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I want LeBron to hurry up and go to Cleveland or stay in Miami. Tired of him being a little drama queen and dragging this thing out and holding other teams up. If Cavs were gonna....

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CapsNClips wrote:

LeBron is trying to keep potential suitors under wraps.

Doc, get your butt to Cleveland.

a waste of time he's going back to Miami.

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