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Post Subject: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435842by ClipperKyle32 » Feb 06, 2014 - 12:59 AM PST
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I know Darren Collison and Jamal Crawford had to start tonight against Miami , but really the bench play has been terrible lately.

@ArashMarkazi: Clippers were playing with more than 4 guys but you wouldn't know it. All but 8 of their 112 points came from Griffin, Crawford, DJ & Barnes.

ALL BUT 8? WoW. Imagine if Dudley hit a couple of those shots, or Willie made a corner 3 here or there, or Hollins brings energy and gets a lob or Turk gets hot? Darren Collision only had 5 points tonight. He played a great overall game , but a couple of more scores from him could have changed things. The all but 8 really shows me how weak our bench is.

Does Dudley need to be traded for someone who can contribute off the bench or start?

What is the Clippers bench missing?



                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435843by letmeuseaname » Feb 06, 2014 - 01:03 AM PST
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i wish grant hill was on this team. i feel that he could contribute plenty.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435844by Clipswhit » Feb 06, 2014 - 01:03 AM PST
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What are they missing? Crawford, Collision, and a big man.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435846by Akclipps » Feb 06, 2014 - 01:11 AM PST
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Well most of our bench r starters now.. And mullens and jamison keeps the bench warm

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435850by Icecoldclipper » Feb 06, 2014 - 01:22 AM PST
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Starters are the bench. Dudley got benched and still hasn't stepped into the role in a positive way and Turk has a bruised knee now. Hollins is in Doc's doghouse hell even after playing well last game did not see the court tonight he is better off traded as well or bought out.

                
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Post ID: 435852by wessleejr » Feb 06, 2014 - 01:26 AM PST
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I heard a month ago when he said he is ready. Not sure what he meant, maybe ready to play again?

                
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Post ID: 435862by kjavis » Feb 06, 2014 - 02:15 AM PST
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Pretty much this, we are one good big and a duds trade from having a solid bench

                
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Post ID: 435875by Silasie » Feb 06, 2014 - 06:52 AM PST
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This....................... a trade or 2 and getting the team healthy and we are set.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435882by worm » Feb 06, 2014 - 09:24 AM PST
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When Chris and JJ back our bench will be a good team with Collison and Jamal playing as bench players.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435903by FightOnRon » Feb 06, 2014 - 11:43 AM PST
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Like everyone has said,nothing. They are doing a great job as starters.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435912by Agent0 » Feb 06, 2014 - 12:28 PM PST
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The bench sucks talent wise without Collison and Crawford so what should we expect?

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435914by namzug » Feb 06, 2014 - 12:38 PM PST
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My only real question about our bench is what is really up with Jamison? Doc must have known what he was getting into with his signing. It wasn't the same low risk, high reward situation as it was with Mullens. He must have known that it was going to be awkward shots, with a weird quirky offense, with very little defense. I don't really buy that he is saving him for later in the season, which if he did that would be really weird in my opinion.

I don't see the mystery there, you knew what you were getting. Why not even try him at the three for a bit? Do something with him?

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435943by Agent0 » Feb 06, 2014 - 05:04 PM PST
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Was Mullens ever really high reward? More like barely past not sucky reward

I thought all the big man signings sucked, but I was ready to give them the benefit of the doubt, but meh, not sure, maybe he thought Jamison could be a bench scorer as he was pretty decent last season.

                
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Post ID: 435945by CP3Heliflopter » Feb 06, 2014 - 05:30 PM PST
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Pretty much this though I think Turkoglu might turn out ok.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435951by Agent0 » Feb 06, 2014 - 05:55 PM PST
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Turkoglu I was skeptical at first, but right before he was signed, I really had no issues because we have a Mullens and Jamison on the bench, you can't be worse, and we gave Jackson a chance. Also the season before last season he wasn't bad, neither was he out of shape like Jackson. Hopefully he continues to do better (shoot bette) and maybe he can even be used at SF.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 435969by Laak » Feb 06, 2014 - 10:12 PM PST
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The bench only have 2 creators, Collison and Jamal. Everyone else on the bench can only finish plays. Everything will be fine when CP3 and JJ return.

                
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Post ID: 435979by ClipperPostman » Feb 07, 2014 - 01:12 AM PST
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Jamison has stunk up the joint every opportunity he had this season.

There is no way anyone could have guessed a 20,000pt scorer in this league would turn to complete dog squat overnight.

I was going to be happy if Jamison could come in and score 7-9 ppg off the bench and most of all spread the floor.

He hasn't done any of that.

                
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Post ID: 435983by ClipperKyle32 » Feb 07, 2014 - 06:34 AM PST
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I am willing to add Turk in their with Collison and Crawford... He can still create.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 436045by clipnasty » Feb 07, 2014 - 03:10 PM PST
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I am concerned with Jamal and Collison playing together still. Collison basically disappears when he is on the floor with Jamal. That being said, I do prefer JJ starting so it creates a dilemma that I do not know the answer to.

                
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Post ID: 436088by kjavis » Feb 07, 2014 - 08:36 PM PST
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If we can get a really good starting 2 with a trade for jamal, i would move jj to the bench and be a better fit with collison

                
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Post ID: 436317by MunoValente » Feb 08, 2014 - 09:34 AM PST
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Yeah he was, last year with the Bobcats he had a good defensive rebound rate, finished well at the basketball and was an almost ok 3 three point shooter, but he brought himself down by the basically sucking bad at everything else and playing stupid. He was playing with a bad organization so maybe he was something that could be fixed. He was also a top high school recruit (#1 player of the entire 2008 class by some places) and obviously is really big. So if he could be brought in, taught not to do all the stupid stuff he was doing and actually learn to play basketball he might have been pretty good; unfortunately it is now obvious fixing him isn't really something is going to happen, at least anytime soon.

Jamison is the player up front that has really hurt us though, he was supposed to our third best big, was probably expected to be fairly reliable, but he's just been a complete failure for us.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 436321by Agent0 » Feb 08, 2014 - 09:49 AM PST
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My reasoning is that coming out of Ohio, he was called a low IQ player. He couldn't crack the rotation in OKC, a good tea, because he was a low IQ player. He went to Charlotte, a poor team and played like a low IQ player. Outside of refining skills since he was also considered raw, a lot of those guys who seemingly have talent but never get it, it is usually due to low basketball IQ. I really think Doc overestimated his ability to transform certain players' game with some of his off-season signings.

I do agree, he could rebound defensively. His 3PT shooting for the amount of open looks he got though was poor, and then he was bad at everything else. He was actually a really bad player if your thinking of how he affects a game, one of the leagues worst defenders, and hurts an offense with the possessions he uses so,ineffectively. So even with a lot of improvement, as much as you can get over one off-season and training camp, you were maybe bringing him up from miserably bad to like a below average player. I guess for the money it could be considered decent reward, but he wasn't going to become a $1M Channing Frye because he moved to a good team.

Ah well, he tried, and I think he really does want to be serviceable, but I mean it's not easy, these are the best in the game. If he could really improve his shooting though, teams could still overlook some things to make him a few minute rotation guy, but it's hard to take the defensive hit. He's lost too much on defense.

                
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Post ID: 436400by -clippernation- » Feb 08, 2014 - 05:45 PM PST
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I don't blame Crawford though. It's not like he's demanding he gets the ball every possession. It's more like Collison just hands it to him because he knows what Jamal can do. Maybe it's more of a confidence issue with Collison.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 436401by kjavis » Feb 08, 2014 - 06:09 PM PST
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OP obviously doesn't watch any games, bench has not been settled since the start of the season with injuries at some point to barnes, cp, jj, 3 10day additions, hedo addition, the appearance and disappearance of jamison, and to add duds crap play and being demoted to the bench lol

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 447976by ClipperKyle32 » Mar 16, 2014 - 02:03 PM PST
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Lamar Odom had just been released by his Spanish Team! A good pickup for just a veteran voice in the locker room! He doesn't even need to play just a good calm voice in the locker room

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 447978by CP3Best » Mar 16, 2014 - 02:08 PM PST
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Odom injured his back in Spain, sidelining him for a month or so, and if gets cut by Spain, SPAIN, you really think he's good enough for the nba? Our bench bigs are good, they're producing, just need JCross back, and hopefully JJ...

                
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Post ID: 447999by toohipcliptoslip » Mar 16, 2014 - 05:03 PM PST
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LO will have his head on straight (I hope) and he's in shape (I hope). We don't have a rebounder on the bench. While not really a true center his defense is good. We lack that on the bench. He makes plays like a PG. Unfortunately he can't score. Baby is real foul prone. Turk is a ?. LO can play PF.

Collison, Jamal.Granger, Baby, LO. Baby's not really a PF. Going small JD could play PF. LO couldn't hurt. How long do we have for 10 day contracts?

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448000by jarca » Mar 16, 2014 - 05:14 PM PST
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Screw LO. Guys is so unprofessional. Came into Dallas out of shape, came into LAC out of shape, crack addict, etc. list gos on. Stay away LO

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448002by FightOnRon » Mar 16, 2014 - 05:17 PM PST
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Just say "NO to LO",that is all

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448746by calipublicist » Mar 18, 2014 - 04:58 AM PST
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Not sure what's wrong with the bench to be honest... I do think it's time to start Granger though.

                
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Post ID: 448748by Silasie » Mar 18, 2014 - 07:01 AM PST
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This thread was started before we had BB or DG, before we got rid of Mullens and 'Twan. I don't think the bench will be "wrong" as it were when we have a line up of: DC, JCross, DG, and BB and either DJ or Blake. Obviously injury has meant that we haven't seen this line up as a bench unit. We are looking pretty deep though, the only shortage is a the C spot.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448760by calipublicist » Mar 18, 2014 - 10:55 AM PST
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Yah I really like what I'm seeing. I just wish we were healthy to get that chemistry across the board down.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448762by MunoValente » Mar 18, 2014 - 11:05 AM PST
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Davis was completely terrible last night, got completely worked over by Hickson. Davis didn't score, rebound or defend. Bullock had an off night too but that happens, especially with a rookie, and he won't play much once our other guys get healthy.

I'm not terribly high on Davis between his foul rate, turnover rate, unremarkable shooting and rebounding and inability to defend quicker players. He's ok as a situational post defender, I don't know if he needs much a role beyond that.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448763by calipublicist » Mar 18, 2014 - 11:08 AM PST
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Yah I somewhat agree with that ^^^^ I think Davis is a strong body we can throw at guys like Z Bo, David Lee, etc... I dont' think he's meant to be a central piece. Reggie did miss a lot of shots last night, but on a more positive note his aggressiveness is the thing to look at.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448779by Wgreen » Mar 18, 2014 - 02:06 PM PST
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If Reddick and Crawford are back, the Clippers have a crazy bench. Granger, Collison, Baby, etc......

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448780by ClippersDA » Mar 18, 2014 - 02:09 PM PST
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Guys bullock had like one good game - he isn't ready to be a consistent rotational player

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448781by 06clippersfan » Mar 18, 2014 - 02:23 PM PST
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Easy answer... they are missing Crawford and Collison

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448783by calipublicist » Mar 18, 2014 - 02:27 PM PST
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I think Granger should start ahead of Matt. He's a better defender. But then again, I like the idea of Danny killing second units.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448802by mj_shoefanatic » Mar 18, 2014 - 03:01 PM PST
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Health is the problem at the moment. If we can get JC/DC back we'll be in great shape going into the postseason.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448805by CP3Best » Mar 18, 2014 - 03:22 PM PST
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I honestly think Hollins should be along Davis, 2nd unit lacks length, and Baby would thrive more if he had a tall guy like Hollins there helping him out. I don't like Turkoglu!

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448806by calipublicist » Mar 18, 2014 - 03:22 PM PST
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If we shut down Redick, do you guys think we should pick up another small guard?

                
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Post ID: 448807by Kerley » Mar 18, 2014 - 03:29 PM PST
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No. And no body is shutting JJ down for the playoffs. This team is built to win in PO and has the ability to go deep. If JJ needs to be shut down but can give you a game 7 in any of the series, you take it. Shutting him down and replacing him with some scrub from overseas or from the D-League is not a better option.

He can remain an option at this point. A D-Leaguer won't be getting any court time in the PO anyways.

                
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Post ID: 448809by MunoValente » Mar 18, 2014 - 03:41 PM PST
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Exactly how many fouls and turnovers are we looking to commit per minute?

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448810by ClipperDB » Mar 18, 2014 - 03:44 PM PST
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Big Baby can't set a pick without knocking over about 3 people. And Hollins starts fouling people when he is over a scorers table.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448811by ClipperPostman » Mar 18, 2014 - 03:59 PM PST
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AT this point it's 100% health. I know the clippers way is to "Win regardless of how many key players are out". But then there is reality.

Crawford #2 scorer out. Collison who is been our x factor is out. JJ still out...

I like Reggie bullock, but getting his **** blocked like that on a fast break by( randy foye of all people) showed why he is a rookie and shouldn't be depended upon in important minutes.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448814by calipublicist » Mar 18, 2014 - 04:10 PM PST
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Do you seriously think JJ Redick can run around the court, come off screens and take the physicality of a playoff game or series with a bulging disc in his back? That's insane.

                
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Post ID: 448827by Kerley » Mar 18, 2014 - 05:05 PM PST
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A bulging disk isn't what you're making it out to be bro. 90% of America has a bulging disk and they don't even know it. A bulging disk rarely causes pain. I think you're confusing a bulging disk with a HERNIATED disk.

A herniated disk means that the disk is broken or spilling, usually in the spine and that's the part that causes pain. A bulging disk is just a disk that has shifted out of place. You can do this from picking up a pencil or stepping off a curb awkward and 9 times out 10 you won't even know you've done it.

JJ condition is unique because we don't need Redick to get to the playoffs. Redick was having some "other" issues in his hip and/or shoulder and they found the disk issue. I'm only speculating, but I think they sat Redick to see if rest will alleviate a bigger problem (herniated disk) down the road.

I'm 30 and I've been dealing with a herniated disk for about 5 or 6 years now and I've kept up with all my activities. Hockey, basketball, men's league softball, golf, lifting weights. I know I'm not a professional athlete, but if you told me I could win a championship in exchange for a little bit of pain, I'd play through it.

In fact, that's exactly what Jonathan Quick did when the Kings won the cup. Quick won the Conn Smythe Trophy with a herniated disk. I'm sure Redick is fine, and I'm sure he can play.

                
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I just remember Larry Bird being in so much pain, collapsing on the court, etc... I think his condition was a bit more sever than JJ's but I dunno. I'm not a doc

                
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Post ID: 448843by CP3Heliflopter » Mar 18, 2014 - 09:32 PM PST
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No Redick. No Crawford. No Collison. Heck no Dudley. I think the problem is pretty obvious. Even though we are a deep team that is A LOT of injuries.

                
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Post Subject: RE: What Is Wrong With The Clippers Bench? Post ID: 448846by ClipTakeover » Mar 18, 2014 - 11:02 PM PST
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Injuries are the problem with our bench. We are solid, yet great if healthy when it comes to the bench.

                
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