Will Chris Paul's Return Throw Off Chemistry? (P. 2)

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ClipperPostman
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This is really top 3 ridiculous threads ever. Here's why:

  1. Paul leads the league in assists. Earlier in this season the criticism wasn't

he was shooting "Too much". The talk was he was "Passing" too much

and needs to be more aggressive and score.

  1. I love Blake, but under this so called "Blake TEAM" without CP3 we

have failed to beat any contenders. We LOST TO EVERY CONTENDER

WITHOUT CP3. So how any person can even suggest

that we can compete for with a title without cp3 is basing it on pure bullshit

and fantasy.

In case you didn't read it the first time. WE LOST TO EVERY CONTENDER WITHOUT

CP3.

  1. Chris paul is the best PG in the world. Blake started balling BEFORE cp3

went out. The media "Noticed" when Cp3 went down.

  1. What Chemistry? Losing to every contender counts as having chemistry?

Relying on blake and crawford combining for 60 -70 points to win

constitutes as chemistry?

When I see threads like this no offense to anyone but I can't see

how someone who knows even a little bit about basketball can even

fathom trading the best PG in the world, because we beat sub 500 teams

in the east while he was hurt.

Silly thread.

FreaKeyy
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Well it looks like he's gonna play tomorrow. We'll see what happens, hopefully Chris feeds Blake more.

B_P6
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Ripped Clipperpostman. I feel the same way. Just seems like people are forgetting how good chris paul is. It's not only his on court skills that make him so good. He has the intangibles. Experts call him the best leader in the game. Sometimes in all of sports. I doubt a great leader would ruin chemistry. He knows how to help this team succeed.

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It was the fault of a lot of things. We had as many people saying Blake didn't do enough as those saying "Paul can't carry a team past this or that round" when he averaged like 23 on crazy percentages and 27 on crazy percentages through the last 3 games and lost in games where he's dropping 30+. As if all that matters is whether you win or loose and the context and reasoning is irrelevant. As if he was capable of shutting down Memphis on defense as a 6'0 PG which was what was needed to win or as if he didn't do enough on offense, which he did.

Blake got injured in the series though, that is lost in the wind, he played under 20 MPG in the last two games. DJ was non-existent, Caron Butler was non-existent, Billups was tanking games, Vinny didn't play Bledsoe enough, but the reality is that the bigger problem in the series was defense, even before offense. We were in a position where we were defending so poorly that we needed to score better than the league's best offense to win games because Memphis a mediocre offense was scoring better than the league's best offense on us. That just doesn't work.

Defense of course is going to get pinned more on the bigs than the smalls, especially since the bigs were actually getting killed, but there was a lot of coaching issues involved in that series loss.

The reality though is that you don't just go trading your guys when you have top talent. That's what the Otis Smith type GM's do, just think you can keep shuffling around and build no consistency.

Think of the Spurs after Duncan became less of the singular focal point as. They got core guys, had a consistent coach and then drafted well and tweaked the supporting players around their core guys. They have comparatively done worse than the Clippers in recent years before last season if you compare talent, coaching and then look at success. 3 seasons from 08-09 to 10-11 with two first round exits, one as a #1 seed and a second round sweep, both first round losses to teams with worse records. They didn't make panic moves, they tweaked and improved.

There's value to consistency after you have high level players, and we can't expect to actually trade Paul and get proper value back. We also can't expect to trade Paul and be looked on favorably by players trying to sign. The team that just gives up on its core guys and moves on so quickly is not really a good view.

This is these guys third year together, not one year have we gone to the playoffs saying "this is a contender", and we had a guy who was at BEST an average coach the past two seasons along with rosters with clear flaws that we expressed (no high level wing defender, no big who can shoot, not to mention poor/unreliable defensive system). We've gone saying if EVERYTHING works out this team will do well, but let's be realistic, that's just being fans, and not being realistic.

So I think we need to sort of step back and see the bigger picture of how winning teams operate.

You know when Shaq became a Laker? 96-97:

Second round loss 4-1

Conference Finals sweep

Second round sweep

That was his first 3 seasons as a Laker. Then...sign Phil Jackson along with Kobe becoming a higher level player. I think a lot of us as fans have patience issues. We don't really get how building a contender / championship team works most of the time. Maybe because of the recent examples of Boston and Miami who had instant success, but the reality is that it's not how it really works.

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Why do we want to be like Stockton and Malone, as elite as that combo was they never won champs, at the end of the day its all about that jewelry

History tells us that very few elite PGs win champs, just think Nash, AI even Kidd got his only because of Dirk but he was already out of his prime by then, more of a charity ring.

In a heartbeat I would ship CP for Paul George/George Hill and even maybe Harden/Lin

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Hasn't CP3 said in the past that the Clippers need Blake to be the best player on the team? (I don't remember I read that so don't ask for a source.)

And yes, Blake's play has been unbelievable lately, but we've also had trouble closing tough games. Everybody knows his ability to make clutch shots at the end of games is CP3's speciality. If we use the strategy of have CP3 set up Blake early to get him going, keep feeding Blake for most the game, and then have CP3 close out games, we'll be pretty hard to beat. To be worried about CP3 messing up this team seems crazy to me. The only thing that I'm slightly worried about is him being rusty from all the time off the court.

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^Yes he has, we talked about it here in summer

That might have had something to do with that Jordan / Pippen / Phil Jackson combo. I think PG is getting overrated if we really believe him and Hill can replace CP's impact, but at least. I can get that because of defense. Lin and Harden though? Really? Don't think so.

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Yes, I think I saw CP3 say that in an interview.

Also I agree with your other point, CP is often not that aggressive in some games and even less so early on in games. He concentrates on facilitating rather than scoring, so he can continue to facilitate a more effective Blake in his Beasting Mode. It should work just fine.

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ye that may have something to do with it as well wink was hesitant to say hardin/lin but threw it out there anyways, someone mentioned splash brothers but thompson is to much of a jumpshooter for my liking, maybe derozan/lowry

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Agent,

Hope you're right. Doc is our Phil. And I'm not saying trade CP but someone brought it up that you only trade CP to LJ and KD. I disagree. CP is not on KD or LJ's level. On durability alone there's no comparison.

ClipperPostman
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Some of things being said are hilarious. lowry/rozan for Cp3. Yea lmao. That will

get Doc GM of the year award for sure. i'm done for the day.

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Can we give Chris Paul a chance before talking about trading him? He's a top 3-5 player, you don't trade those.

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Postman you have to really work on the reading comprehension. Not once did I say we SHOULD trade CP3. I said that IF we go out in the first round again, and IF he doesn't mesh it should be considered in the FUTURE.

Where did anybody say Paul shoots too much? It's his overdribbling and ball dominance that is an issue, not shooting. When healthy he led the NBA by a huge margin in time of possession, touches etc. He needs to get into the offense quicker and not hold the ball 20 seconds.

We lost 4 games to contenders, 4 of which came down to the wire. Although that doesn't matter because not a single person her, including me said we could compete for a title as currently constructed without CP3. That would just be dumb.

Sure the streak started for 10 games WITH Paul, but without him Blake went to a whole new level. That's without a good playmaking PG and the guy who supposedly spoon feeds him.

If you don't think team chemistry looks more fluid lately I'm not sure what to tell you. Just know that you can still lose games and look cohesive overall, they aren't in contradiction necessarily.

You've proven time and time again that you can't post without being condescending or causing some sort of drama. You're the new kid on the block on this forum who quite frankly hasn't earned much respect. I'm still waiting for respectful, knowledgeable posts from you and haven't been seeing it. I've personally warned you three times for personal attacks and I hope you figure it out before it's too late.

You don't have to agree but when you tell somebody who likely knows far more about the team that they have no basketball knowledge, it just makes you look bad.

Clippersfan86
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In general I think people are crossing the line too much lately on CTB by doing things such as calling threads/posts dumb, calling each other names etc. I'm going to make it more of a point to crack down because we've been really lenient.

I've been real busy but will be coming here more to clean this stuff up. David's site rules are 3 warnings, I've been generous and given everybody 5-6. No more of that.

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So one bad game negates all 5 other great games CP3 had? Get real. CP3 averaged nearly 23 points on over 53 FG% while being hounded by Conley and Tony Allen.

Lmfao. If Barnes wasn't the 2nd best player in the playoffs who was? Maybe Bledsoe but he didn't play many minutes. Not blaming BG at all he was dealing with injury. Unlike you I have no interest in bashing players unless they deserve to be bashed. If your injured it can't be helped. Its not like BG choked or didn't put effort he was extremely limited that series.

Lets look at the facts in the playoffs....

1) We played putrid defense and made Memphis look like an elite offensive team.

2) Our leading rebounder only averaged a bit over 6 rebounds that series.

3) Our 2nd leading scorer averaged 13 ppg.

4) Our coach had no clue what he was doing.

5) CP3 played great but no one else stepped up for the most part.

If your blaming CP3 for that series despite the fact that he had 5 fantastic games and 1 bad game then you lose all credibility. Not even Lebron or Durant would have won under those circumstances. In fact, we already saw how Durant fared without much help against the Griz.... He had a mediocre series.

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lol

Some of you guys are worse than Lakers fans I swear(its spelled Harden btw).

Maybe PG/Hill but probably not since Paul George is falling back to earth. Paul George is nowhere near Paul's level to be honest and Hill is just a decent role player.

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Bro nothing in my post geared toward you I'm responding to the

overall thread. There are people saying Trade Cp3 and other crazy things.

I'm responding to them.

As far as Condescending post I can see why you say that. But I'm never directly calling someone names. That's just my personality when I talk about sports, in a bar, at home, on a forum.

It's always in a playful spirit like when Stephen A Calls skip bayless crazy and ridiculous.

But I understand it doesn't translate well in text. So I'll tone itdown.

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Let me just say that this is no way taking a shot at you, but why do you have to act like such a dictator on here man? Sports get people fired up and it seems you're the only mod out there getting angry at people and threatening to kick people of your little discussion board. That makes it less fun bro. Just let people have their opinions and don't threaten them for it. Please don't take offense to this, just think about it man. Its internet talk, no need to get upset about anyones opinions.

My opinion? trading CP for anyone outside of LBJ or Durant would be stupid. Even thinking about trading him or that he is going to hurt the team when he comes back should warrant a mental examination. He's the best point guard in the league, 3rd best player in the league probably. You don't trade that unless he says he wants out, and then you certainly get more than Derozan and Lowry. I hope this doesn't offend you.

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This place can get out of hand some times. Moderators need to crack down on this stuff because it seems as if opinions get out of hand. I have had times where I have responded to another member in a way that I shouldn't have, but when moderators aren't here enough they miss the entire context/discussion. Such as what causes one member to go at another. So what could have been prevented by proactive monitoring is often resulting in a huge issue because we don't have enough moderators to oversee the site.

I have had official warnings by David (for lashing out and responding out of emotion, which i have no one to fault but myself) but if moderators had been more present they could have caught "bating" tactics where pricks act all smug and antagonize. In the grand scheme of things moderators need to be a constant presence here to make it enjoyable.

I think another thing that moderators and admin need to be aware of is not just offensive/attacking posts but members that provoke as well. I know of at least one member that is a master at snide and illicits responses and when people respond it is the responder not the antagoniser that gets warnings

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Damn... maybe I should have responded earlier... like 5-6 reps were given on this thread only lol!

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He is not- he is actually being nice not dolling out official warnings.

Just a friendly reminder to everyone to avoid personal attacks as it is the #1 no-no on this site. If you can't discuss/debate without insulting another member, then please don't post. You can say "that was not a post I agree with", but if you start belittling a poster by attacking his basketball knowledge, saying stuff like "you are dumb/stupid/weird" or worse, then that would merit an official site warning.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation!

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All this trade talk is absurd! Both BG and CP3 should retire as Clippers after a decade of playing with each other. CP3 is smart, and although he has a hunger to be the best in the game, I'm pretty sure he has taken note of Blake's development into a bonafide threat and superstar. If they can get things roght by playoff time and keep developing championship habits - this team will be a nightmare for all teams in the league. I think CP's injury was a way for the entire league to take notice of Blake's talent and proves to CP and Blake himself that these two can lead the Clippers to deep playoff runs for many years to come.

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Well said, David. Can't we all just get along? I'd hate to see a forum that isn't dedicated for fans of just one team.

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Oddly enough the poster who I've warned 7-8 times before is the one who makes it a point to call me out as a power hungry dictator. If I was going purely by David's requirements Jered you would have been banned long ago.

I have ZERO personal agenda or grudges here. I like everybody here including you mostly. I just think that the more us mods let people get away with personal attacks, the more it increases.

I've been here 6 years and David does a hell of a job adding to this site and keeping it going. The least we can do is treat each other better. Disagree all you want with me or others, just don't make it personal.

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Postman let's not beat around the bush here please. You said something like "Top 3 worst thread ever" and said the poster lacks basketball knowledge. Considering that I made the thread, it's not exactly a mystery who it was about. Although that doesn't matter, because I say the same when you attack others. In general just please work on keeping away from personal attacks. This is a good group of people and rarely is it justified.

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Who's fully blaming CP. If you can't see that he's part of the reason we lost the series, you're being biased. Up 2-0 and put up 8 points in a close game.

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That series flipped and with finger pointing there would be enough evidence to back up putting the blame on anyone on the team. It got that bad. I think we just weren't ready as a team. Maybe not prepared enough. But Chris Paul didn't give up and it was obvious blake was hurting and he didn't give up either. They're both our leaders. They both have to get better in various areas. I wouldn't trade either one. They will shine together. Starting tomorrow.

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I would only trade CP3 for LeBron, as that's the only way we upgrade while not losing much in the way of running the offense and creating for others. Otherwise, the people calling for a CP3 trade are just dumb. Yes, Blake's put up monster numbers in his absence, BUT...

a.) Blake started to "click" and become unstoppable in our first game against the Spurs, BEFORE CP3 got hurt

b.) We've lost to every good team without CP3 even with Blake and sometimes JJ or Jamal stepping up

c.) Our defense has fallen off a cliff without CP3, who is not so coincidentally one of our best defenders

Unless we're getting LeBron, trading CP3 is pointless and doesn't address the biggest flaws with our team: the entire small forward position and the third big.

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Also, I wouldn't blame CP3 at all for the Memphis series. After the first two games, it turned into 1-on-5 with CP3 being the only one playing his ass off, Blake being too injured to hold his own against ZBo, and everyone else being useless, especially Chauncey. Plus VDN coached one of the worst series I have ever seen.

I know everyone points the finger at the star when a team flames out in the playoffs, and I'm not usually big on excuses, but CP3 really has just been snakebitten throughout his playoff career, whether it's injuries, not enough help, or having to face a far superior team.

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I would credit a lot of the fluidity to the return of Redick to be honest. If we remember, it started looking fluid when Redick returned. The games before that we were still talking about Jamal trying to do too much, and Dudley even had to drop 18 in a win vs Boston, though that game was more of a struggle in defending than scoring. The SA and Orlando games were not pretty.

Offense looked super smooth to start the season also when Redick was healthy. Fluid obviously can be a bit subjective, but results wise, the offense has been very good lately too, but Redick came back. We probably wouldn't have had that lack of fluidity if Green wasn't having his worst season in some time. Green wouldn't be as good as a Redick, but just making shots,being a great would have changed the look of the offense. Redick wasn't there when CP and Blake were killing it, we might not have lost more than one game during that span if Redick was playing to be honest.

Jarca, I also hope I'm right. I think there's value to consistency though, I think the grass is greener mentality gets too many teams in trouble. If you have a solid core, just keep tweaking the players around them. Don't make any crazy desperation moves, don't be an idiot, draft well, have a good front office and coaching staff and you'll give yourself a chance every year even if you don't win it all. Really even if you're a top 3 team in your conference, your chance of getting to the finals is what, like 20%, and what's the chance of winning it all? So unless you have the best player in the league on a very good team, you're more of an opportunist team when it comes to winning it all.

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I'm not worried about CPO and chemistry I'm more worried about CP and pace. Will he allow us to continue to play the free flowing style we've been playing since he is been gone or will he go back to micro managing possessions ?

These past few weeks we've had more 2-3 pass scores before the defense gets set than we've ever had. We talk about how CP is a great rebounder but will he have the confidence in his team to grab the rebound and throw it ahead to half court and allow that player to make the right decision. That is essentially is what we've been doing everyone has been throwing the ball ahead and trusting teammates to make the right decision. If you watch some of the film before CP was hurt we had people grabbing long rebounds and having a opportunity to push it and get ahead of the defense they turn and throw it behind them to CP who then walks it up .

We are not trading CP that is just crazy talk but I look at this like Jordan and those Bulls title teams .

Jordan didn't trust his teammates he only trusted Scottie Pippen and when Jordan retired Pippen's game blossomed.So when Jordan came back Pippen was better able to bridge the lack of trust between Jordan and his teammates and the Bulls went on to three peat again. I think Blake will be the one that brings everything together.

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If CP3 was a scorer, then I would be concerned there would be chemistry issues, but he looks for assists first so I can only see more passes and easy assists for him down low to Blake Griffin. He may even improve on his 12 APG average right now. One thing that will be helpful in his return is that Collison can anchor the second unit again. Collison was fullly capable of filling the point guard duties for CP3 in the last month, but it was the bench that was in a bit of disarray. Most of the time, Doc had either J-Crossover or Collison in at all times, but every once in a while, Willie Green or even Hedo Turkeglu had to manage the offense.

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Pay no mind to him, that's what postman does. When the world doesn't agree with his views, he loves to throw out that, "they lack knowledge" crap.

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Thank you! That's what most of us see as more fluid. Those extra passes that weren't as frequent pre-CP3 injury. Whether it was Redick coming back or not, the team seemed more in tune on offense than in any other time this season.

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Well, this thread isn't what I expected it to be...

Short term, yes we will have our hick-ups. Long term? I think CP3 saw just what Griffin was capable of. If anyone can find a way to make scoring easier for the young star, he's the guy.

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So this thread is still going huh?

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Also i feel there's some complacency because cp is so good, guys on the team just look to pass to him for a bailout instead of looking for a better play

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The authority he speaks with is as if has paid his dues and been around here for years. Who knows, maybe an older poster who's already been banned before. I remember how chill this board was before CP3 came to the team. Sure we'd have heated debates but it rarely got personal. At least in my own experiences.

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You mean before the team started having much higher expectations? Wink

I think that is to be expected

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No it will be better for this team. You know how Blake getts those early mismatch postups or just early postups in transition? Well Darren Collison could get those passes to Blake, Chris Paul sees that and can give the ball to Blake. Chris will restore order to the team. There will be sometimes where the chemistry will be a little off. Imagine playing with someone and just getting used to them and then you have to play with someone else and get used to playing with them. Now you have adjusted to a different player and how they pass and now you have to re-adjust. It should be easy. The Clips have a tough schedule playing Portland, Thunder, NO , and Spurs. Goods stretch for us

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Fullcourt and Joe that's pretty much what I meant by chemistry. Maybe I worded it poorly but I mean a less fluid, cohesive playstyle ON the court. Not a chemistry issue in the locker room or whatever. Can't give Redick all the credit either because we are still scoring like 112 ppg last few games without him. If we had more dependable shooters I suspect we would be scoring 120 ppg.

I want CP3 to never hold the ball for 10 seconds or more unless he's going Iso for a clutch shot.

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The biggest difference is role players making shots. People tend to forget that Crawford had a 20 or more game stretch where was shooting 30s% from the field and couldn't buy a basket. Look at his numbers recently. Redick coming back also made a big difference.

Look at all of our losses on our first road trip and see how much our role players contributed(nil which put more pressure on CP3 and Blake). Look at our losses against the b2b games against Blazers and Golden State Warriors and you will see that it was basically the CP3 and Blake show with some contribution from others.

Really overall, I expected us to at least be this good without CP3. Maybe others are surprised but a team with BG, DJ, Redick, Crawford and Doc Rivers as the head coach should be able to beat lottery teams with ease and its not like we didn't have hiccups like against the Bobcats or almost losing to the Mavs at home if not for them choking down the stretch.

That being said I don't want anyone on this team to hold the ball too long but a lot of PGs and "point forwards" tend to do that including CP3 and Lebron.

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Not the case here. In fact I'm one of few here who tell it like it is... and a majority here have more of a support the whole team no matter what mentality. Obviously my expectations are through the roof seeing as I gripe a lot.

It has more to do with the fact that CP3 brought a ton of casual fans to the team who have never had to exercise humility or been there when the team was terrible. Inexperienced fans haven't had much time to learn sports manners. How to get a point across without calling somebody stupid or a lesser fan.

I can tell who's a newer Clippers fan purely by the way they treat other fans here. You won't see longer tenured fans/posters here like Ekker, Joe, David, TCI, PageC4, Cleepers, Fifty, Ron, CB24, Loyalclipfan and many other good posters hauling off and calling people names or questioning their knowledge consistently.

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Point is all are welcome but as anywhere else respect is important. Agent yourself and CP3heliflopter are good examples. You two are new and I think on of you even admits to having been a Knicks fan. You never have problems though because you've paid your dues with consistently good posting and good manners. You didn't run around calling people dumb or lacking knowledge.

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Ah,the good old days. When if we could get to .500 it was a successful season. If the arena was 30% full it was a great day. When no one on our team ever made the all star games and they all got June off because they playoffs were never ever in the picture. When we had outstanding point guards like Mardy Collins or Bobby Brown.

But then we had the audacity to land a first round draft choice instead of picking 7th or 8th and getting great franchise players like Al Thorton,now we have to draft some guy named Blake Griffin. Then we blow it even more by adding the best PG in the league (and Faker fans still bitch about it). Then we have to figure out where to hang our stupid banner for winning the Division for the first time,but that's okay,no banner required.

But never fear,when some members of CTB have their way and become our GM, we can trade these stink'in good guys and go back to the good old days when expectations were low. Afterall, they didn't get us a ring in 2 years so they must be worthless.

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Ron if you look at consistently great teams like the Spurs, Lakers, Celtics you'll notice a trend. Winning is everything and there is pretty much zero patience for failure. If we want to be like those teams we shouldn't prescribe to blind loyalty ever IMO. Sure you should be grateful for how far you've come and what you have. But you should NEVER settle or become complacent.

As I said earlier I personally never felt we should trade CP3. In fact many don't know but for the 5 years CP3 played before coming here, he was my favorite player not on the Clippers. I just didn't think it would take 3 years for Blake and CP3 to make it work, although both deserve some of the blame.

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We definitely can win a chip with a new and improved Blake and CP3 at the helm. Blake and CP3 are a great core. Most teams in the league would love to have that core. The problem is the supporting cast. Right now our roster has some holes that need to be addressed.

We have a serious hole at the SF position. Barnes and Dudley are below par. We also have a serious hole at the backup big position with Hollins as our best backup big....

If we can address those issues and players are healthy we have a very good chance of making it to the WCF and possibly beyond.

I am not surprised that it took 3 years. When CP3 first came here Blake was still very young and had a lot to learn. He still hasn't reached his full potential which is a scary thought. Not to mention each season we had some serious flaws including coaching.

In fact, its been three seasons and we still have sucky small forwards.

lol

Right now our team is flawed but still better than any of our previous teams. We have a 35-18 record with our starting backcourt missing around 20 games each.

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CP is going to be CP and CP has recognized since being injured(watching Blake from the sidelines) that Blake is a beast and CP being CP will feed the beast.

But when it's WINNING time CP will be CP and come up clutch as he has time and time again for us.

I'm not worried about chemistry, there will be no chemistry issues, these guys(Blake and CP) has been playing together for three years.

Kingkanyon
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Seeing as Our Defense hasn't been Great and we've won allot of close games. CP3 does nothing but help. He's one of the Best Pg at the Defensive end and although they've been winning, they've lost allot of close games, games that CP3 could have been a major help in. But I think the real question is will Daren Collison continue to feed Blake when he's coming off the Bench as well, because he wasn't doing it beforehand. Other than that I don't see anything too major happening as far as chemistry goes.

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I don't think the issues will be with "chemistry". Paul and the team getting back into adjustments such as the rhythm and flow of how the team plays offensively/defensively may take a few games though.

Long run team picture looks more promising with CP3 returning, especially after how the team produced in his absence. They've gotten better as a team.

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