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Post Subject: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437669by namzug » Feb 13, 2014 - 01:52 PM PST
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I've never really been a fan of small ball, and have felt that we have been on the short side out on the perimeter for a long time now. I've wanted to see Bullock get a few more tries at the 2 to add some length. Watching the game against Portland (which I know are a tall team), feel like we are very lean on tall players on the perimeter.

Could this be a contributing factor in why it seems jump shooting teams seem to have good nights against us? I found this article on the prototypical size in the nba by position; http://pinwheelempire.com/p/nba/prototypical-size-vs-reality-in-the-nb a/, and we trend on the shorter side in each category. Outside of Barnes we seem to be shorter than the average out on the perimeter. Looking at teams like Portland and Golden State that are jump shooting teams, they trend on the higher side. Maybe the reason a lot of these teams seem to not be affected by our defense effort is that they are just shooting right over the top of them. I'm not expecting blocks, but we might not make most of them alter their shots. What do you guys think?



                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437685by david » Feb 13, 2014 - 02:27 PM PST
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Jamal is long enough & quick, JJ doesn't have the longest reach, but he is pretty fast. CP obviously in the same category, but he is even quicker, + his savvy cannot be understated. Dudley has the length, but unfortunately terribly lacking in speed. Bullock & Barnes have the length & speed.

So overall, I'm not sure if there is a lack of length to challenge jumpers. The Clipper 3 point defense is actually much improved from last season. With guys like Durant & Aldridge, you pretty much have to just get a hand up to block their vision and hope they miss.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437689by Icecoldclipper » Feb 13, 2014 - 02:47 PM PST
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After watching don't think Bullock has the quickness to guard the leagues two guards yet. Put him against a bigger body who relies on strength like a Joe Johnson maybe but the three and stretch 4's he is better off so we have no chance. Barnes seems slower side to side on defense this year but I would of liked to have seen more Barnes and Dudley combination when we go against bigger wings.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437691by MunoValente » Feb 13, 2014 - 02:48 PM PST
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We lead the league in opposing 3pt%, the weakness of our defense is defensive rebounding and defending at the basket. More length would help some in those areas, but you would need to make trade offs in other areas. I thought our best run on defense last night came with a Dudley-Collison-Paul back court and that a lineup that sacrifices length for guys that stronger making their perimeter rotations.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437714by FightOnRon » Feb 13, 2014 - 04:12 PM PST
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Lack of length shows like when we were up against Indiana. We looked like hobbits out there. doesn't mean it won't work,like when Darren cuts through the trees and makes layups (which honestly I can never fathom how he does it, but he does).

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437722by namzug » Feb 13, 2014 - 05:24 PM PST
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I just feel this is an issue when we play good jump shooting teams. Specifically Golden State and Portland, I might just be suffering from watching them sink contested shot after contested shot. I didn't feel like we were playing that bad defense the entire game, but they kept making shots. I have always preferred longer players; put the two together and you get this thread.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437726by Agent0 » Feb 13, 2014 - 05:42 PM PST
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Well we also went with a three guard lineup with Paul and Collison. If we went traditional vs Portland, there wouldn't have been issues

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437729by Clipperjan » Feb 13, 2014 - 05:53 PM PST
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Ramona Shelburne: Clippers were happy with @SashaVujacic during his first 10-day. Delay in decision on 2nd 10-day is due to All-Star Break

Ramona Shelburne: Sasha Vujacic's 10-day contract w/ Clips expired tonight. They'll wait until after the break to decide whether to sign another 10-day.

Why would we sign Sassha to another 10 day contract? I believe he played what 5-10 minutes total. Do not understand.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437734by itsLuigi » Feb 13, 2014 - 07:08 PM PST
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i think they liked his looker room presence. they all seemed to get along quick

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437754by rogmatic » Feb 13, 2014 - 08:41 PM PST
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Is Jamison going to play more? I can't believe we are backing up Griffin with Hedo.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437761by ClipperPostman » Feb 13, 2014 - 09:48 PM PST
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We are who we are at this point. We have proven to be able to beat anybody even without a healthy team.

Blake has become Unstoppable. Cp3 is still the best PG in the league and clutch. Jamal had his season slump already and has been on fire putting up almost 24 ppg. When Reddick is healthy he is good for 15-17ppg.

DJ is becoming more and more defensive conscious and by PO will probably have a breakout showcase with monster defensive impact.

Collison has proven he can come in and score and run the offense to a solid capacity.

We have weaknesses as well as strengths like every team.

I'm content we can win a championship with what we have fully healthy.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437786by Clipswhit » Feb 14, 2014 - 01:06 AM PST
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I still feel that we should swap Dudley for LR Mbah a Moute. I'd throw in a second rounder if I had to. We'd lose some shooting, but the first team has plenty of firepower between Griffin, Paul, and Redick. Adding an elite on-ball defender propels us into the leagues elite defenses. Sign a FA big like Gortat with the MLE, and draft PG Aaron Craft (defense + pass first), and either hope Collison picks up his option, or grab Nash for the minimum.

DJ/Gortat/Hollins Griffin/DJ/Turk LR Mbah a Moute/Barnes/Bullock Redick/Crawford/Green Paul/Collison/Craft

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437789by Clippers_FTW » Feb 14, 2014 - 01:15 AM PST
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We shall see what happens at the trade deadline...

                
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Post ID: 437792by ClipperPostman » Feb 14, 2014 - 01:24 AM PST
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YEa but you can't just say "Lose some shooting" when our entire PO gameplan is to put shooters around Blake so you can't pack the paint against him.

Putting Mbah and Barnes on the same team would kill that game plan. To me there is no point in keeping Barnes and Mbah on the same team, when their roles are exactly the same.

I'd keep dudley and trade barnes.

As much flack as we give Dudley I have a feeling he is going to be very valuable around playoff time when the game becomes half court.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437798by kjavis » Feb 14, 2014 - 03:00 AM PST
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Who would trade their left sack for ariza right now, length, quick, defense minded and now holding is own as a scorer, to bad we missed that train

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437801by ClipperKyle32 » Feb 14, 2014 - 06:29 AM PST
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If they sign him again then they aren't any spots open to make moves. Oh Wait!? Trade Deadline. You don't need an open spot to trade somebody. Hopefully we do trade a couple of people like Byron and Dudley for a Real back-up big and hopefully a Small-Forward. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Bismack Biyumbo/Brendan Haywood anyone?

                
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Post ID: 437806by Icecoldclipper » Feb 14, 2014 - 08:41 AM PST
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Would be a waste of a roster spot with Redick and Green suspected to be back.

                
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Post ID: 437810by Clipswhit » Feb 14, 2014 - 09:43 AM PST
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I get what you're saying, but I don't see Barnes having much value at the moment.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Lack of Length at the Perimeter Post ID: 437833by namzug » Feb 14, 2014 - 12:04 PM PST
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Ariza would be great. Honestly he'd be a perfect fit. If we could get him for Dudley and/or Barnes I wouldn't mind playing Bullock and Hedo behind him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jwedler

Then sign Ivan Johnson after that.

CP/DC JJ/JC/RB TA/RB/HT BG/IJ/HT DJ/JH/BG

We could then start doing what San Antonio has done in the past and interchanging role players depending on the match up. Do we need D, put in Bullock and Ivan, playmaking Hedo, physical JH and Ivan would scare anybody in the league. Harrelson looks like a younger version of Pekovic in my opinion.

                
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