Clippers Are Talking Deal for Knicks' Iman Shumpert (P. 2)

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Icecoldclipper
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Deal only works if Shumpert can play SF fulltime.

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Not necessarily. By acquiring Shumpert that will make Jamal expendable.

Maybe a Jamal for Deng trade is also in the works.

CP3/Felton

Redick/Shumpert

Deng/Barnes

Griffin/Hedo

Jordan/Hollins

That's a nice team right there.

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Ken berger from CBS said deal is not going to happen

tense2
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Can't make that trade work as Deng makes too much $.

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No way to Clippers Knicks deal. Would be Knicks raping us. Collison>>>Shumpert this year who's having the worst year of his career and can't shoot for ****. His only value to the team would be defense. Collison has been huge for us this year. Then Bullock vs Felton is also horrible value wise. Bullock is cheap, young, has upside and whenever he plays, shows promise. Felton is a terrible contract the Knicks are trying to dump anyways and he's a lard who hasn't shown any effort to get into shape this year.

I'd do something like Dudley or Barnes and a filler for Shumpert and nothing more. I love Shumpert's D... but that alone isn't worth this value.

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DC and Bullock is a lot, and definitely not a fan of Felton. Shumpert for DC I would be ok with, and if we can throw in Mullens for Beno that would be great. I like DC, but I think that is a good deal. Once you replace Mullens with Bullock and Felton with Beno it becomes a different story.

I like DC, and love that he took a discount and that he went to school near by. I've become a fan, and talk him up to my son. My son loves his game and that he's a hometown success story. Although, from a basketball perspective I think it makes sense. Especially with JJ hurt with an unknown timetable (I know the report says 3-5 weeks, but I'm skeptical). How many productive minutes is DC going to get in the Playoffs? He does bring that spark, but who knows what we can get from Beno. I would also feel better about our small ball line up with Shumpert at the 3 rather than JJ or Jamal.

With that said, it is a big fat no if you are including Felton; and/or sending out both DC and Collison.

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Crawford can not be dealt with the passive nature of Paul and the bench with no scoring and JJ being Billups no way. People should delete any and all ideas of Crawford going anywhere I would deal JJ before I would Crawford because his back could be shot for good. Crawford is probably the 3rd or 4th most important player at times 2nd.

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The biggest issue with Deng is that he can't be traded in combination with another player. If that weren't the case, we could probably work something out with the Knicks and Cavs surrounding Jamal, Collison, Dudley, Reggie, Shump, Felton, Mullens... maybe Waiters.

That restriction doesn't expire until March 7th.

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Narrow it down to Shumpert for Collison and fine. Would still suck because Collison is having a great bounceback year and took a paycut to play in LA, but we DO need defense. But no way in **** we are taking on Felton's contract AND giving up another young asset. Bullock leads NBA rookies in differential last I checked. When he plays he's been great. Doc's just being an idiot as usual regarding playing rookies.

Icecoldclipper
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Nets trade Reggie Evans and Terry to save cash for Marcus Thornton. We could of had Reggie for TPE.Sad

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Well another big problem with Deng is he's an UNRESTRICTED free agent this year. Not sure if we have his bird rights. Even if we do... we will take a massive tax hit if he goes for the 10 mill a year range.

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You act Felton is starting for us he's coming off the bench in limited minutes I'm sure doc will know how to get the best out of him some players just need a change of scenery. I would look forward to stumped defense which we need on the wing

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Damn it. We want Reggie!

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I don't think that deal is possible. Deng makes 14 mil and Crawford makes 5 mil, even if you add Duds 4 you are still short. Why would Cleveland do the deal, I'm sure it's not cuz we'd fill it with Jamison (who they had), Mullens and Green. We don't have the assets that would lure Cleveland to talk to us for Deng let alone make a deal with us.

As far as that trade, I would do it. Jamal is great, but if we are getting Shumpert and Deng. That is some solid D on the perimeter. Then you can sign an Ivan or Shavlick or Haddadi to fill in the back up big (you are not going to have everyone and their mom beating Deng and Shumpert off the dribble). Deng is no slouch, he carried much of the offensive load for the Bulls without Rose; I think he would do just fine filling in Crawfords points with a bunch of extras (rebounds, great D, an actual stopper). I know he can't create as well as Crawford, but it's not like we are talking about Alonzo Gee.

Clippersfan86
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We screwed up bad letting Reggie walk. Now he gets shuffled like a piece of trash. We did him wrong.

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Wonder why we don't have interest. He's a solid big man.

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Felton is terrible, just terrible. He also has a terrible contract, just terrible. Imagine Dudley and Felton on the floor at the same time. Pudgy doesn't work for us that's a Memphis thing isn't it.

I don't care if we are talking about Felton would be off the bench, he is just terrible. Imagine if we had Felton in place of Collison during that time without CP, where would we be?

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Darren Collison this year... 10/2.5/3.5/2 in just 23 mpg. That's with a PER 16.5, TS% of 57.5, WS/48 of .136.

Shumperts metrics? PER of 9.8, TS% of 49.6, WS/48 of .049 (ATROCIOUS).

Felton? PER of 12.3, TS% of 47.3, WS/48 of .038 (ATROCIOUS). Nevermind the horrible contract.

Knicks and their fans once again trying to severely overvalue their players. So we get the worse players AND take on a bad contract lol?

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Ian Begley @IanBegley

Sources: #Knicks, Clippers talking about a deal centered around Shumpert & Collison. 1st reported by @WojYahooNBA. Jared Dudley also in mix

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The trade that will happen is the one we never hear about until its official.

P.S. Woj is just about the most unreliable source

Clippersfan86
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Damn I like Zeller. Young, upside.. better backup center than Mullens and Hollins that's for damn sure. Doc is an outstanding coach but a fu**ing terrible GM. For every good move he's made (Redick, Hedo, Collison) he's made two bad ones.

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Anybody want to see how we get Deng AND Shump?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l4ovlmh

Cash considerations to NY for taking Mullens off our hands.

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BTW for those wondering what I posted. It's player stats from Basketball Reference. Never to be used alone, but best used in combination for accuracy. Win shares per 48 is basically how much a player contributes to wins over 48 minutes. So it's a formula which sums up value of a player. TS% is true shooting percentage which factors in shooting from everywhere and weighs them according to value, making it much more valuable than FG percentage. PER is player efficiency rating.... which is an offensive minded value stat. The only things it factors in on D is blocks and steals, so I stay away from it for defensive breakdowns. As a general rule stats should be used in combination, not alone to paint a better picture.

Icecoldclipper
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Deal works for me and if Deng walks and everything fails it opens the gate for Carmelo to join the team as a free agent.

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Knicks have a history like the Celtics of GREATLY overvaluing players. Shumpert+Hardaway+Felton for Collison+Dudley+Bullock, taking on the bad contract on Felton would be far more fair...but Knicks probably value Hardaway like Lebron James because of a few good games.

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He makes too much $$$ to be the back up on this team.

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LOL

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Thoughts?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kuv2c85

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m

Like Hawks in Jeff Teague talks, hearing Clips opposed to taking back Felton in proposed deal headlined by Darren Collison and Iman Shumpert

Clips undeniably interested in Shumpert. Knicks definitely want Collison. But Clips prefer not to take back Felton or part wi/Reggie Bullock

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I'd love Shumpert / Beno for Collison/Dudley.

ClippersDA
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We can't take back Felton, i just looked at his contract. No way. I guess it won't happen then that we get shumpert

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i wouldn't trade Bullock either. Surprised

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@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN has learned Knicks are telling teams that have interest in Shumpert: It'll either cost you a first or you have to take on Felton's deal

NY lmao..

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and I'm not as opposed to felton as most people on here are. I think its because i love pudgy clipper point guards (baron!) and I think his stats will become better when not playing with Melo

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Hilarious fact here? Dudley is having a better year than Shumpert and Felton as terrible as he's been... yet Knicks fans balk at taking him on LMAOOOO

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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine about 11 minutes ago

To sum up: If Knicks can convince Clips to trade them Collison AND take back Felton, they've pulled off a Trade Deadline Week upset

Knicks are crazy

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Marc Stein: Clips undeniably interested in Shumpert. Knicks definitely want Collison. But Clips prefer not to take back Felton or part wi/Reggie Bullock

tense2
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Good luck convincing someone to take a guy off our hands who's as someone said, he's back maybe shot. wink

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CapsNClips wrote:

LOL

Bahahahah...... I really laughed outloud.

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With Shumpert I could believe that new scenery with a great coach could help, also think playing with great team players could also benefit him. I've liked him for a while, and wanted to trade for him prior to us getting JJ.

With Felton there is no upside. As far as pudgy point guards go, I'd rather bring back Baron.

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Pretty much my thoughts. Shump for Collison addresses needs for both teams. But the problem I have comes with Felton for Bullock. One player has positive value, the other big negative value.

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Not sure that theory works most of the time. See Dudley, Barnes, Mullins, Hollins or Jamison. Razz

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Ramona Shelburne‏@ramonashelburne1 min

Felton's inclusion in any deal for Shumpert/Collison lessens loss of backup PG, and leave open possibility of another Clips deal for a big

Hmm good point. Maybe take Felton but give something besides Bullock such as Dudley. That's more than fair IMO. Felton for Dudley isn't lopsided for anybody.

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^If this deal does go down, I think it's part 1 of 2.

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I don't want to give up Reggie. We already gave up one Reggie we shouldn't have, I hope we don't give up a second one.

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Three team deal

Clippers receive: Iman Shumpert, Tyler Zeller

Knicks receive: Jarrett Jack, Antwan Jamison

Cavaliers receive: Jared Dudley, Raymond Felton

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I agree. This trade doesn't fix our big man problems.

ClippersDA
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Why would the cavs do such a bad trade?

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This,feels like making a pointless trade just to say we tried something. We have a PG and a gem of a backup PG,wtf mess with that?

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