Tyler Zeller Trade Rumor to the Clippers (P. 2)

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Agent0
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Bullocks upside is like a Danny Green with a bit less athletic ability, I guess it depends on how you are defining "great" player. He has great role player potential but not great players potential, his upside is an average player. I know everyone overrates their own young talent, but we need to be realistic here. Zeller is currently more productive, and Bullock is not some rare irreplaceable talent.

clipperboy24
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But we traded away a potential all star who displayed great numbers whenever he started.

If we just signed Dudley and didn't trade for him I think people wouldn't be as disappointed. It was that they got bledsoe for Dudley and a second. Yes I know it was part to get Redick.

cisco805
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But how many times has Doc played bullock??

Not many what I see in this guy is high potential as do many other teams that's why most of them

Want to trade for bullock. It's so obvious.

JQuick32
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Zeller is a need, Bullock never plays and is replaceable. Getting past the deadline without any of our flaws addressed would be inexcusable and the front office would basically be giving up on the season.

Icecoldclipper
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If Doc won't trade Bullock for Zeller then Bullock better start or get the most minutes of the SF's. No more excuses for not playing Reggie screw practice.

ClippersDA
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If clippers stand pat they are insane!

JQuick32
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@WojYahooNBA: Denver has traded Jordan Hamilton to Houston for Aaron Brooks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Hey look, a team with a real GM making moves to get better! Must be nice!

chonkyfire24
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Agent0 wrote:
We got him to be an average player. $4M is what you pay for average role players, what did you think we were getting when we traded for Dudley? He was an average defender, average scorer (mid teens in starters minutes), average rebounder, very good shooter, that's what he was gotten to be. Any other expectation for $4M a year just doesn't make sense.

According to you he's an "above average" defender.

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His defense is above average mainly because your impact as a defender isn't only your man to man defense in isolation. Nick Young is a good example of a guy who is actually very decent in man to man isolation defense but is a bad overall defender.

Of course Dudley would only be weaned out of the rotation if we had this theoretical 3/lock down D guy to replace him, but you know...

The only redeeming quality dudley has on the defensive end of the floor is that he at least tries. Doesn't change the fact that he's woefully out of shape to play NBA basketball though and is absolutely a liability at the end of the day.

06clippersfan
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Brett poirier just tweeted that talks are off.

Looks like we won't make any moves

ClippersDA
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I want a real savvy and bright gm for this team - like olshey!

Agent0
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[quote="clipperboy24"]But we traded away a potential all star who displayed rest numbers whenever he started.

If we just signed Dudley and didn't trade for him I think people wouldn't be as disappointed. It was that they got bledsoe for Dudley and a second. Yes I know it was part to get Redick.

I would still be disappointed if we signed him, but look, all summer, I said we should keep Bledsoe and play him and Paul in the backcourt and the majority of the board said they don't want such a small backcourt, not enough shooting, etc. I think maybe only tense2 and a few others were on board with that idea.

I said my second option was move Crawford and play Bledsoe as a 1/2 6th man off the bench so he gets about 28-30 MPG, again it didn't land on people, Crawford is too important, etc, etc. Now in hindsight, are people really going to start talking about we "traded away a potential All-Star"?

Bledsoe's value was never going to be it's highest on this team if your coach is playing him as a backup PG. If Doc wanted to use him as any of those options I mentioned, then he wouldn't have traded him, so clearly he also saw him as a backup PG, and yes, we shouldn't pay a premium for a backup PG, and he's getting players who would play bigger roles than a backup PG made sense.

Bledsoe's numbers as a starter were about 15/5/5, he didn't look like an All-Star, but looked like a nice solid player when you coupled that with his defense. He wasn't expected to explode as much as he did with Phoenix, but their compliment of players such as a PF who takes 6 three's a game along with two other 3PT shooting bigs on the bench and the shooters sort of fit quote nicely with Bledsoe's abilities. That also helps in addition to him improving his game.

Remember, even before the season started, people were still concluding that there was barely a difference between Bledpse and Collison. Bledose the better defender / all-round guy, but Coliison better on offense and as a shooter, and basically evening out. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Icecoldclipper
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Wish Cavs take a future first and one of the other SFs instead. Report came out they are looking for vets now so maybe there is hope.

Agent0
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I usually think of average as a range between slightly below average and above average, which is why I listed everything he does as average except for shooting where he was very good, close to elite. Poor, below average, average, above average, good, very good, elite is how I scale it, so either way he lands on defense, average or above average doesn't change where he's categorized as a player.

So yes, I would categorize him as an above average defender from his time in Phoenix, showed better mobility and activity on defense and played as a smart defender. He's been below average this year though. Doc watched video of him and has seen him play before making the move, though maybe seeing him matchup against Pierce who doesn't use quickness as a primary weapon clouded Doc's perception as Pierce is the kind of SF Dudley would excel against defensively since he can't just be out quicked.

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I am on the fence about this trade. I'm not low or high on Zeller, and like the potential with Bullock over what is there at the moment. Right now with JJ out and Green still hurting I was thinking he could get some minutes at the 2. I wish the trade deadline was further out so hopefully Reggie would gain some traction in the in between time.

Reggie can realistically switch between the 2 and 3 depending on the match up.

I would also prefer to unload a Barnes, Dudley, or Mullens deal in any trade we make. Realistically if we could dump one of the bigs I would feel ok about bringing in an option from China. Any combination of Dudley/Barnes and Mullens/Jamison, I don't have to much of a problem with Hollins as the third string center. I also wouldn't mind playing Bullock behind either Dudley or Barnes (not saying it's ideal).

Doesn't it seem like the best teams have some young talent on rookie deals. From that perspective Zeller could be a wash with Bullock.

realbull17
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arash markazi say clips will stand pat. no trades. unless a last minute phone call happens.

EwanB
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Discussions of a Tyler Zeller-for-Reggie Bullock trade between Clippers and Cavs have hit a snag. "Not happening," source says.

shame, I loved the trade. Just hope we can pick up a big

blasana
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Clippers need to go sign Ivan Johnson. Don't trade a young asset like Bullock. Johnson is better than Zeller anyways

Agent0
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It's a very mediocre move both ways. Hamilton plays no defense and Houston has wings that aren't necessarily better or worse. Brooks was Houston's 3rd string PG and is only valuable to Denver because Nate got injured (since they traded Miller), but won't change much.

Still, it would be nice to do something, but the assets aren't there to do anything significantly and we don't want to trade the one that is there. Reggie needs to play more of you aren't trading him because of how good you believe he can be.

I know as fans we love trades, and even a lateral move is applauded because it makes people feel like something is happening, but that's a non impact trade unless Hamilton shapes up or Brooks starts to tear it up which wouldn't make the trade better, just a better outcome than expected or anticipated.

JQuick32
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First or second round exit upcoming.... lather, rinse, repeat.

I'd like to say wait for players to start getting bought out, but the front office has shown no urgency all year to address the flaws in our roster, so why would that change now?

Icecoldclipper
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We need a center though length would be a bonus come the playoffs.

CP3Best
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Dude, I'm a firm believer we should start Reggie Bullock! He is making 3s and they're not open easy ones, Duds was missing WIDE open ones, imagine you give those to Bullock.

JQuick32
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Bullock needs to start if he's supposedly too good to trade... end of story. Having him warm the bench all game while Dudley and Barnes play like **** isn't acceptable anymore.

ClippersDA
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Hope the plane has internet so doc can make decisions. I don't know why they can't swing anything

Icecoldclipper
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Well its all on Doc now Bullock better start or play huge minutes after all this. Can't believe nothing was done.

Icecoldclipper
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Team should put the future first out there we have Blake jump starting his prime every year should be all out.

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Yeah, I'm more than a little mystified as to how posters here are so convinced he's a superstar. Could he end up being a good player? Maybe. Could he be out of the league in 2 years? Maybe.

Just the usual Clippers fans' rookie-love, I guess. I wonder how Trey Thompkins is doing these days. This board sure loved him.

ClippersDA
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I am just flabbergasted that the team could do nothing to improve the roster - really?

clipperboy24
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Haha you didn't see other teams trying to trade for grey thomp kind. I don't think he is going to be a super star or even a star but he fits a need at sf I with good rebounding, outside shooting and solid defense. But if he is to going to play may as well dish him for Zellar

JQuick32
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This franchise is content with no longer being a TOTAL laughingstock and being able to sell playoff tickets. Where's the commitment to winning a championship? We should have the mindset that a first or second round exit is a wasted season and at least TRY to avoid that.

Icecoldclipper
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No one called Bullock elite but he is a different option than the non production we are currently getting at SF. He comes in and plays hard and not only the fans but Doc is hesitant to move him because of his potential but for some reason Doc rarely plays him. Doc had a trade for Zeller and pulled out after the Cavs called us for Bullock. The guy deserves an opputtunity if Doc turned down a need there is no longer an excuse for Doc.

As far as keep bringing up Trey Thompkins yes fans were for him playing and rightfully so because just like last year we have horrible big man depth. People just wanted to see Trey play because of the front court depth and never happened because he was never healthy. Its not like people want Trey or Bullock playing for no reason there was and is now a huge hole at the respective spots.

tense2
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I asked you in the Shumpert Thread and I'll ask you again:

Ok, you're the GM, what significant trades would you attempt to make with the talent we have available to move to shore up the roster while walking the tight rope we are so close on the hard cap so as to guarantee us a spot in the WCF's. Just curious.

ClippersDA
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If the rumor is true that they still want shumpert over Zeller that is pathetic. I was in favor of shumpert until his injury. We need Zeller more! The blind leading the blind

tense2
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Doc is not only thinking this year, but long term. Reggie is a lot more valuable to the team, maybe not now but going forward in playing time or trades. He's worth more then Zeller who most likely will be push around the league for a lot less then what the Cavs were trying to get from us. This is a good move by the FO IMO.

Dunkathon
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Doc literally has 6 minutes to do something.

ClippersDA
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Zeller fits better than shumpert - our front office lacks creativity

JahvonTheClip
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well we traded antawn to the hawks...for who though!?

Icecoldclipper
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We kept Bullock and now are connected to Granger and Johnson. Either one probably here to play PF behind Blake but Reggie has to see step up in minutes. No matter which is had Barnes or Dudley will enter the dog house because Doc loves Turk and the other should be backing Reggie or splitting time with Reggie.

cisco805
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This is what I mean no one is panning out Bullock as an Allstar but he has potential if he is played. You will never know

Unless Doc plays him and I wonder why he prefers duds over bullock when bullock makes the 3 ball when contested and

duds missing 3 after 3.

MunoValente
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You realize Dudley does have a higher 3pt% by a good amount right? Bullock's is better than Barnes now at least. I'd give all three of about 15 minutes, until one steps up then whoever it is can play more, I don't care which one. One top of that Bullock should every single minute that would normally go to Willie Green.

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Kobe was seen emptying his Laker locker and trying to get a key to Clip locker room. What does it mean?

Clipperfn4lf
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I read online something like deal fell through because Doc wanted to do a 3-1? I'm assuming he wanted Zeller miles and some1 for Bullock? Seems crazy.

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