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Post Subject: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439501by clipnasty » Feb 20, 2014 - 02:28 PM PST
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Clippers, I'm told, recently worked out Ivan Johnson after his China stint and are looking at a 10-day deal for former Hawk @kevinarnovitz



                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439526by JamFan » Feb 20, 2014 - 02:38 PM PST
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He is a 6'8" small PF who was in China because no NBA team wanted him at his asking price. No proven success in the NBA so far. So I don't see how he is helpful. When Blake goes to the bench, are you going to put in a 6'8" guy....really, in the playoffs.

                
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Post ID: 439530by 23efren23 » Feb 20, 2014 - 02:40 PM PST
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He's a better version of Reggie Evans I think at his age now

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439537by Laak » Feb 20, 2014 - 02:46 PM PST
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Most likely no real impact. If he was any good, he'd be in NBA by now. Can't even give an opinion on him, since teams in China's league would have trouble competing with college teams.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439544by david » Feb 20, 2014 - 02:49 PM PST
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Added him to the CTB player database, which means his youtube videos are showing up now. He looks quick for a big guy, and maybe can even play some SF. Good rebounding rate. Here are his stats:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6534/ivan-johnson

He'd be a good signing.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439547by namzug » Feb 20, 2014 - 02:51 PM PST
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Ivan would make much more noise than Mullens Jamison and Hollins combined, so yeah you put him in off the bench. Most people here would love Jason Maxiell or Blair, this guy is in that mold. High energy guy who will scare anybody off of trying to cheap shot Blake or anybody else on the Clips. Reggie is 6'8 too, he should play power forward.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439550by david » Feb 20, 2014 - 02:55 PM PST
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Here are his stats from China- even had a 54 point and 19 rebound game:

http://basketball.asia-basket.com/playe ... ank/123839

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439552by Akclipps » Feb 20, 2014 - 02:56 PM PST
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Finally!! I Have been preaching Ivan johnson since summer!!! I was even mad when he didn't sign with us

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439555by namzug » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:00 PM PST
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Yeah, I think there are a few of us Akclipps. I think you were the one that broke the news when he got released from his CBL team.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439557by JahvonTheClip » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:00 PM PST
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How far is the 3 point line in china!?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439561by Icecoldclipper » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:01 PM PST
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So what happens to Turk who was showing production facilitating and rebounding off the bench? Neither guy can play C and we have 3 SF's even if Reggie slides to SG we have two guys ahead who can't be shut down for nothing.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439564by jarca » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:02 PM PST
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We got 2 roster spot

                
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Post ID: 439565by CP3Heliflopter » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:03 PM PST
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One of our SFs will probably be traded.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439567by JamFan » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:04 PM PST
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Don't get to excited Stephen A

                
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Post ID: 439570by Icecoldclipper » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:05 PM PST
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The dead line is over no more trades the last deal was the Turner for Granger at the last minute.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439573by namzug » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:07 PM PST
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@IceColdClipper, I would play Ivan with Blake at Center. Hedo I would play with DJ at Center. Ivan brings a lot more physicality to the front court than Hedo. Hedo brings a lot more playmaking, and both can shoot decently. Hedo is a better shooter from distance, but Ivan doesn't have to be under the rim. You can't just walk away and let him shoot from 12-15 by himself.

Obviously Ivan has to mesh with the team, as well as learn Doc's system. He has a lot of potential in my opinion, and at the very least brings physicality and hustle.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439577by Icecoldclipper » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:11 PM PST
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So Doc will scrap his entire second unit idea and keep one of the bigs on the floor at all times or pair one of the bigs with Hollins. What happened to needing another long big man anyway it goes Doc has work to do.

                
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Post ID: 439585by CP3Heliflopter » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:18 PM PST
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Oops thought the deadline was later. Not good that we have issues at the wing position. We have 3 SFs but none of them are starting caliber. In fact, none of them have shown much promise even as a backup this season. Hopefully we can solve our backup big issue at least.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439589by namzug » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:22 PM PST
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I'm not sure of Ivan's standing reach, and against certain line ups I don't think it would be far fetched. With 3 spots though I would prefer a longer player who's got a little more length. The perfect test would be against Memphis. I'll say this I would prefer Ivan against Zach than Hedo vs Zach for whatever short stretch that might happen.

It's a 10 day, and what if it is the Reggie effect that we have been missing. I don't see any downside to this signing.

                
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Post ID: 439600by Agent0 » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:30 PM PST
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1969 NBA minutes, 15.8 mpg. 6.5 pts, 3.9 rebs, 51.7% FG. 15/9 per 36 with a 15 or so PER. He wasn't worth his asking price, but he's certainly worth a 10 day and a minimum contract.

What in the world are you expecting from the free agent market at this time of the year?

                
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Post ID: 439602by david » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:31 PM PST
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Yep shouldn't hurt. He's not going to rebound as well as Reggie, but looks to have a much better knack for scoring. I mean being able to rack up 54 points in any league is pretty impressive.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439603by Icecoldclipper » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:32 PM PST
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Guy is a tough bruiser no doubt but he must of had a total mind set 180 because coming here to be a situation player was what we asked of him earlier in the year.

                
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Post ID: 439609by Agent0 » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:35 PM PST
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Reggie has no scoring knack. Johnson averaged 15 pts/36 in the NBA over almost 2000 minutes on 52% FG and can hit from mid-range. Him and Reggie aren't really similar players outside of height.

                
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Post ID: 439619by CP3Heliflopter » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:45 PM PST
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He has put up productive numbers in the nba but he has a history of attitude problems.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... siv01.html

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439629by Clippers_FTW » Feb 20, 2014 - 03:59 PM PST
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lol Ivan the Terrible.

                
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Post ID: 439631by david » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:06 PM PST
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That's icing on the cake being able to hit the medium J. Hopefully his attitude issues are a thing of the past.

What I see from the videos is that he is quick, and that is big for the Doc Rivers defense.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439636by Clippers_FTW » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:22 PM PST
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Can Ivan play the 3? He's quick enough???

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439639by ClipperKyle32 » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:36 PM PST
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Ivan the Terrible back in the league. He was already a defensive guy under the Hawks with Larry Drew , but I am scared of what this guy can do under Doc Rivers. Scared for other teams that is. I see this guy being our Kenyon Martin for the Knicks or our Chris Anderson ( Birdman ) of the Heat. Key role player guy who brings toughness and defense to that second unit. Dejuan Blair and Boris Diaw or both listed at 6'8. Both guard Blake , but neither has the athleticism or toughness that Ivan has. Imagine we sign Granger and he starts for us and Barnes comes off the bench.

Chris Paul - Darren Collison - JJ Reddick - Jamal Crawford - Green Danny Granger - Matt Barnes - Reggie Bullock - Jared Dudley Blake Griffin - Ivan Johnson - Hedo Turkoglu Deandre Jordan - Ryan Hollins Or Hopefully another C.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439641by namzug » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:38 PM PST
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@agent0 when I compare Ivan to Reggie I do in regards to the energy, tenacity, along with the physicality. Reggie is probably one of the best rebounders in the league, and is inept offensively. Ivan's energy reminds me of Reggie and Amundson, but is much better offensively than either.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439642by LeftHook » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:38 PM PST
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Doc is a big fan of playing small, I see how he would like this.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439647by LobCity21 » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:49 PM PST
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This guy is perfect for our type of energy to for lob city in that film clip all you see is him hustling for fastbreak dunks and points.

                
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Post ID: 439649by kjavis » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:50 PM PST
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This with a little more offensive game, very physical down in the block, should help with our rebounding woes, would be a good addition

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439651by Clippers_FTW » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:55 PM PST
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Ivan Johnson and Danny Granger would go a long way Smile looooong looooong way

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439652by Andrew818 » Feb 20, 2014 - 04:55 PM PST
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I would love to get Ivan.He is the tough player we need down low.He is undersized height wise but is a big body who battles for position for rebounds and easy buckets.We would probably go small with Hedo at the 4 and Johnson at the 5 but realistically they both will play 15 min or less.Hope we sign this guy,he is mean and would play well off the bench for us.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439656by Clippers_FTW » Feb 20, 2014 - 05:01 PM PST
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is he quick enough to guard the sf position?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439657by Clipperfn4lf » Feb 20, 2014 - 05:03 PM PST
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LOL he is banned from the Korean League

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439658by Clippers_FTW » Feb 20, 2014 - 05:04 PM PST
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he likes to flip people off lol

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439669by JamFan » Feb 20, 2014 - 05:38 PM PST
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We are going to go up against Miami, San Antonio, Oklahoma, or Indiana in the playoffs with that plan. Good Luck

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439671by cleepers » Feb 20, 2014 - 05:40 PM PST
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^ If we meet Indiana or Miami, it will have been a great plan.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439674by Dunkathon » Feb 20, 2014 - 05:49 PM PST
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I still don't see what the rest of you see in Johnson. "Toughness" is one of the most overrated aspects of a player, especially if they don't have much in the way of other skills. If the Clippers get him, I'll wish him the best, but I'm not holding my breathe.

                
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Post ID: 439676by tense2 » Feb 20, 2014 - 05:54 PM PST
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He's a slightly below average PF overall, above average rebounder and a decent defender. Compared to Jamison it's a huge upgrade. I'll take he's supposed bad attitude.

                
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Post ID: 439678by MunoValente » Feb 20, 2014 - 05:57 PM PST
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He does have other skills, he's a good rebounder and a fairly good scorer who can score at the basket or make jumpers. He's also pretty good at forcing turnovers.

In China he was evening making three pointers, although I don't really expect him to do that here.

                
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Post ID: 439697by Dunkathon » Feb 20, 2014 - 06:41 PM PST
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Don't know about China, but when he was in the NBA, he was only averaging about 3-4 rebounds a game. His scoring numbers aren't exactly impressive, either. Don't know about how good he is at forcing turnovers.

If we're going to go with an undersized big, I would much rather have Big Baby.

                
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Post ID: 439698by tense2 » Feb 20, 2014 - 06:46 PM PST
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Only played in 15-16 mins a game so the rebound numbers will be "low". But PER 36 mins indicate he's above average in that department. He's be fine.

Big Baby on the other hand is an below average rebounder who suffered a achilles injury on Wednesday.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439699by clipnasty » Feb 20, 2014 - 06:47 PM PST
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Why not get both?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439702by Silasie » Feb 20, 2014 - 06:50 PM PST
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Can't we find someone who is the right size Wink

                
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Post ID: 439709by Dunkathon » Feb 20, 2014 - 07:01 PM PST
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True, his numbers are low because of minutes. I still don't trust a guy who had to go to China because no one wanted him though.

Big Baby doesn't have amazing rebounding numbers, but he's good enough that I'm willing to take a chance on him. As for his "injury", it's only a sore achilles, not a tear or anything all that major.

                
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Post ID: 439720by MunoValente » Feb 20, 2014 - 07:28 PM PST
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Plenty of teams wanted him, but he got more guaranteed money in China and knew he could just come back now and have no problem getting picked up again and picking up a second check from a second team.

                
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Post ID: 439729by tense2 » Feb 20, 2014 - 07:51 PM PST
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Sore??...how sore, lol. Link.

"Sore" achilles not a good sign.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Have Worked Out Ivan Johnson Post ID: 439730by worm » Feb 20, 2014 - 07:53 PM PST
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So who you gonna pick Ivan Johnson or Glen Davis ?

                
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