Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM (P. 6)

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Jerediscool
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Sign and trade. If they want to come here, you can find a way

Jerediscool
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Oh and Doc isn't the GM so this title is just ignorant.

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actually, not to be anal about details but Mullens and Jamison were unloaded for other pieces. Granger and Big Baby were acquired off waivers.

inventor310
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Wasn't Doc Rivers a big reason why Chris Paul signed his five year contract... everyone who is nocking Doc can sign an application to be a Lakers fan cause y'all don't deserve to be Clippers..

inventor310
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Doc brought in Big Baby Doc brought in Danny Granger Doc wanted JJ Redick Doc helped us with the Chris Paul signing... I stand by Doc and his every move... I trust he'll bring in the right players and the right coaches to help us win a championship

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Not really because the team he is leaving has to be willing to take back at least $6.7M in contracts from us, and we don't have the assets to offer every team something they would actually want.

If they are going to take on contracts they don't really want, they will need to be expiring, and generally teams will ask for a draft pick along with it, so even if the player really wants to come, we aren't in the drivers seat. Sign and trade still requires some incentive from the other team, and there are many times when teams are fine with losing a solid but not star player for no compensation, especially when "compensation" becomes just getting random contracts of players that don't even fit on your team.

Using the Washington example, where do we find $6.7M in contracts that they will want? Crawford is the closest thing, but he's still short. Our SF's are useless to them. If Ariza doesn't want to come and they still want a guy to play SF, they can go out in the market and pick up a Sefolosha, Marvin Williams, P.J. Tucker, etc. Unless one of our guys is their first option, or they really want Jamal and we are content giving him up, there's no incentive for them.

Jerediscool
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Right. I get that man. But we could work a third team in or something and get creative if that is the road we really want to take.

tense2
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Getting "creative" or bring in a third team isn't always that easy. The other teams co-operation and needs must be addressed. Difficult most of the time.

Jerediscool
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jesus f@#$ing christ. yeah, I get that. But getting creative is all about trying and figuring sh!t out. You don't just give up if someone wants to come to your team but you don't have the money. You exhaust all options. Our problem right now is just finding people that want to come here.

What's the saying? If it wasn't hard, it wasn't worth it. Don't you think Pat Riley worked a bunch of stuff and got creative in order to put the Big 3 together. Theres always a way to a means.

tense2
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Calm down Jerediscool for Pete' sake, lol. How do we know the FO isn't or hasn't been trying to be so-creative. The FA/trading seasoning season has just begun. Let's wait a bit before leaping off the bridge.

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inventor310
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I agree its to early to jump the gun on some of these free agents we still want to wait and see what Melo and LB are going to do... teams that are making moves right now are the teams that have no chance in hell of getting top tier FA's so lets all just relax kick up our feet and let Doc do what Doc does so well recruit good players who respect him

Jerediscool
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I'm fine tense. I don't want us to be signing anyone yet unless its a big name. I Have been the one saying that everyone should relax and not worry about the rumors coming out now and wait and see what happens. Everyone else is trying to call Doc out and blame him for everything going on. I trust Doc and what ever remains of his FO to make the right choices and talk to the right people and get things done. The tone of my last post must have gotten lost in translation.

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Referring to DTS nixing the trade

CapsNClips
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Doc is using a slow cooker on the crow. It should come out real nice.

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CapsNClips wrote:

Doc is using a slow cooker on the crow. It should come out real nice.

Paul Pierce isn't a big feat. In fact, I think we'd be worse with him. getting Deng would make most everyone eat crow. Ariza would be huge considering the biggest obstacle is convincing the Wiz of S&T'ing a big piece of their core. Doc got turned down on the Afflalo trade. He was basically laughed at in the Tony Allen offer.

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True, but of course the difficulty is that we are still dependent on the desire and co-operation of other teams.We also have the issue of that "other" asset. We don't really want to give a pick, we don't necessarily have a young player teams are lining up for, and we don't have any juicy expiring contract. Ah well, we'll see what we can pull off, but sometimes you don't get what you want even if you want it really badly, and sometimes things work out.

kjavis
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all this inactivity is getting clipnation antsy LEL

Billupsss
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I'm not really a fan of getting Hawes or Ariza but I like that list ^^^

da11da
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mediocre at best, i just hope he doesn't overpay for pierce

Clippersfan86
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Lmao. Now team is pursuing some scrub named Toure Murry who was on the Knicks. Guy has ATROCIOUS stats.

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Doing a great job. we lost our backup PG and will probably lose Jamal. Who needs guards? Not the CLippers.

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I have to say Doc is doing an ok job as an executive. Could be doing much better and we all know that. Here are his moves thus far.

Chris Paul resigns because we go get Doc Rivers. Doc trades Bledsoe and Butler for JJ and Dudley...while we were looking at the 3pt% numbers, no one wanted to remember that Dudley was a bench player with the Suns and no one can justify us getting JJ so much to the point where we got enough in return for Bledsoe. Doc then goes and signs Byron Mullens and Antwan Jamison. Though those pieces were still moved and replaced with Hedo Turk, Danny Granger, and Glen 'Big Baby' Davis, the original move was a horrible one. Should we applaud him for cleaning up his mess mid season? I understand it takes awhile to get to a new job so I'm hoping this offseason Doc becomes a much better executive.

We are all Clippers fans but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that Doc has been making great moves ever since he got here.

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Doc: 1 - Oshey: - -1 Lol! Doc during his tenur. Resigned Chris Paul, Flipped Byron Mullens and Jamison for Granger and Big Baby, and Convinced Spencer Hawes to Come LA , and STOLE Him from Trailblazers....

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Andrew818
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Don't understand why some of you are so mad that Doc hasn't made more moves,he isn't able to right now.Almost the whole league is waiting to see what Carmelo and Lebron do before they make any moves.We can't do a sign and trade for Deng because Cavs still think they can get Lebron.They won't do a sign and trade because they want to clear cap space not take on more money.Also if teams miss out on Lebron and Melo then a lot of teams are going to go after Ariza,Parsons,Deng,etc.So none of them are going to commit until Lebron and Melo do.I hate waiting also but there's nothing Doc can do.We don't have cap space so are limited to sign and trades right now and no team is willing to do one at the moment.Even if we end up not getting Deng or Ariza,we won't make a move until we know for sure that we aren't getting them.

kjavis
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yep, to summarise, either way we are screwed

ClippersDA
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Withholding judgment until we get a wing player via trade

Clippersfan86
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Yea... I will say I feel a little bit better due to Hawes+Farmar, but even so.. our hands down biggest weakness is consistent, more athletic, defensive minded production from the 3 spot. If the team can get an upgrade there, we can say Doc and his staff did a good job. Let's just hope that it's not like last year where signings seem to be good at the time but don't pan out.

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The best way to manage that is to not take on too many 50/50 players and avoid potentially piling up a heap of trash which is what happened last season.

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There does seem to be some underlying similarity with last years signings and this years. I'm trying hard not to have some sort of hatred towards Doc because in all fairness he did try and negotiate with Memphis for Tony Allen. Also, he had discussions with Ed Davis, Shumpert, and Luol Deng, so he has tried going after good defensive players but hasn't been able to get them here.

Still, so far we have signed Spencer Hawes, who isn't known as a defensive guy. The opinions here on him range from Hawes having "total lack of defense," being an "..above average basketball player," "Terrible defender," and even the "perfect backup center." This difference in opinion leads me to conclude that people haven't really watched him play to give a solid grade on his defense. To me that is really troublesome because this is somewhat similar to the same context Dudley came in. He was a name, but not a big name. The advanced stats looked good for Dudley as they do for Hawes now, at least on the offensive end. I'm not suggesting that Hawes is going to be Dudley, but I'm certainly hesitant on proclaiming this signing as successful.

Still, in the end both Farmar and Hawes do provide shooting, and not the defensive improvements that I feel is necessary to put us over the edge against the elite of the west like San Antonio and the Thunder. This is a problem because it places an enormous pressure on us getting a defensive SF that can make up for a squad made of primarily offensive players (Redick, Griffin, Dudley, Crawford, and now Hawes and Farmar). We don't have the cap room to get such an elite player, and even if we did that's a huge tipping of the scales towards the offensive end.

The positive is that we at least come away with Hawes and Farmar, so this is a huge step not so much in ensuring we go past the 1st round, but it is a huge step to show the league that players do want to sign here despite the Sterling scandal. In the end I think this is what this off season will have accomplished for us. Next year when we get Dudley's contract down to 1 year perhaps we can lure a team into a trade in order to get this defensive player we so desperately need.

ClippersDA
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Maybe a bad Gm for passing on Cleanthony early in favor of me. Broken shoulder willcox. Ridiculous

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Well, I can't say for sure he's a bad GM, see my post above, but for sure his draft choices have been bad. Bullock was a surprise. I was upset we didn't go with Allan Crabbe at the time. However, Bullock turned out to be ok, but the problem was we rarely played him. So what was the point of drafting the kid. Also, Wilcox is essentially the same type of player that Bullock is, and we got him when Cleanthony and Kyle Anderson were still available. Does Doc watch college basketball? Probably not.

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Page I agree though that the team needs more defensive minded players. Now that we got two elite shooters at their positions it's a MUST we add a couple defensive specialists now. There are a lot of defensive wings out there that won't demand more than minimum in free agency right now.

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I'm not sure what we can get right now. We have even tried some lower cost defensive guys like Ed Davis for the front court, but that didn't materialize. Luckily with the roster we have we should be able to obtain the 3rd seed or 4th at worst, and we can hypothetically hold that until the trade deadline and acquire some of those defensive specialists that can put us over the edge. For now though I don't see any more moves, even low cost ones. We don't have anyone of value to trade right now, and I fear that the Sterling fiasco is one of the reasons why these other signings haven't materialized.

Clippersfan86
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Doc is trying to do a sign and trade for Spencer Hawes, which would leave the team with full MLE still to use on a SF. The hold up right now is the Lebron James Cleveland situation.

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To think that one man has the power to hold the entire league hostage. I'm beginning to really dislike him. After the loss to the Spurs he should have thought about his plans and made a prompt decision. But he seems to love being the center of attention

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I will give Doc this season to really fill the roster in a way to cover all the gaps. One year to work with everybody and really get an idea of what he has should be helpful. I'm not the biggest fan of what he's done personnel wise.

I've had a problem with all the offensive guys signed. I like Hawes and don't mind Farmar, but still feel we lack perimeter defenders. I have a slight issue that both signings are considered offensive players. I thought Thabo or Livingston should have been priority or at least a long versatile player that can fill more than one spot between 1-3. It is still to be determined, but I would like a defensive player on the roster.

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