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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439832by Greenmonk94 » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:17 AM PST
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Lmao.. If u blame doc for players falling short... Then u sir or mam are crazy.. I thought dudly would be a great role player.. He flopped.. Not docs fault.. Mullens was a gamble.. I truly thought that with open looks Cuz of Paul and Blake getting all the attention would help him hit threes but he flopped.. Jamison.. Alright with him Idont lknowwhat doc was thinking but so far ccollision a greatppickup.. JJ reddick has been phenominal.. So horrible gm.. I can't see it.. Maybe because we expect things from players.. Doc did but Mullens and dudley have fallen short.. So don't blame doc for taking logical moves



                
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Post ID: 439834by sz123456 » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:21 AM PST
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Not exactly expecting him to drop 20 a game starting Friday, though the fear of being traded was one of the factors weighing on his mind, and his issues this year have been more mental than anything. He'll get better little by little.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439835by sz123456 » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:26 AM PST
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Btw, Thunder have the best record in the league and just got obliterated by their rival at home, doesn't mean they need a new GM, doesn't mean their players stink, doesn't mean their coach stinks. It's regular season basketball, not that significant

                
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Post ID: 439836by jarca » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:39 AM PST
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Sack hasn't proven anything too. Let go of Evans and signed Hollins, couldn't deal EBled, let go of Nick Young, and got bamboozled by Dallas.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439837by Shinob » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:50 AM PST
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some people want doc to make miracles here...lol

can't argue with those people, cause it's like arguing with a wall.

                
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Post ID: 439839by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 02:19 AM PST
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Their worst loss at home since 09 to the defending B2B champs isn't comparable. Nevermind that OKC has the best record in the NBA. Now all the sudden Houston is 2 games up on us and if we lose 2-3 in a row you know we could drop to 6 or 7 quite easily right? Regular season is VERY significant unless you want round 1 on the road vs the Spurs for example. Last year people said calm down too, look what happened.

                
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Post ID: 439840by ClipsGForce » Feb 21, 2014 - 02:21 AM PST
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I rather Clippers be focus on improving on their defense and make good habits. So come playoff time, we would be well polished.

Last year it was different. Vinny Del Negro team was in the tailspin and cannot improve his coaching. Clippers were making bad habits which cost them in the playoff. I think we will be fine even if we start on the road.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439841by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 02:22 AM PST
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Jarca actually Evans was let go two summers ago by Olshey. Sacks is last year's runner up GM of the year for a reason. Got Barnes, Crawford, Odom all made up our bench along with Bledsoe. Dumped Billups. Sacks in one year was far more active as a whole, where as Doc seems content to stand pat and ignore roster deficiencies.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439842by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 02:27 AM PST
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Gforce history disagrees. Road teams lose like 75 percent of playoff series in NBA history. It's idiotic to not feel a sense of urgency considering what happened last two years. Sure peaking come playoff time is more important but you can also plug roster holes at the same time. Doc's casual attitude and quotes about adding players is troublesome to say the least. We have the same EXACT holes since early season. SF/C and defense. In fact our D has steadily declined over the last month and a half, not improved. Unless we rip off 9-10 ogame win streak, we are in trouble.

I think we need HCA through first two rounds at least which means we need 2 seed. Had we not choked vs Spurs we'd be 1.5 games back of 2.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439843by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 02:29 AM PST
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Btw Jarca lol on "Couldn't deal Bledsoe". More like didn't want to or was waiting for better offers. He's a star player, never rush trading a young one.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439848by jazclipcity3 » Feb 21, 2014 - 04:07 AM PST
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We all have no idea what he has up his sleeve! We just need to be patient and trust him. Look what he has done to dj and look at the beast that he woke up inside of blake!! Players want to play for him. ... They play hard and with heart for him. ..... I dunno. .... We'll see! Smile I'm excited to see what happens.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439850by Kingkanyon » Feb 21, 2014 - 05:55 AM PST
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What role does Gary Sacks play in all this?

I mean he is VP or Basketball Operations and is said to be working in Tandem with Doc Rivers, after all he did orchestrate the whole Doc sign and trade this summer.

                
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Post ID: 439856by clipperboy24 » Feb 21, 2014 - 08:28 AM PST
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Hey what he did for Phoenix thats way more than Dudley and reddick combined have done for us. And he is probably coming back this week in time for the playoffs. They have the talent and chemistry to take down any team for a series. I wouldn't want to play them in the playoffs.

                
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Post ID: 439862by cleepers » Feb 21, 2014 - 09:15 AM PST
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What he says in public and what he says in private are two very different things. He has said that he would like to shorten Blake and DJ's minutes down the stretch... Translation: I need at least one other big who I can trust to be on the floor.

He didn't come right out and say that Mullens and Jamison have been trash and he was willing to dump them for nothing, yet he did it.

Nobody wants a GM who is publicly panicking. The better part of leadership is instilling faith in those who follow you. Our team is surely aware of the holes in the roster, yet they are playing hard, winning games and haven't lost ground despite those holes and some major injuries.

There is an opportunity to plug some of those holes over the next week or so, our schedule lightens up in March and getting our sharpshooter back before the playoffs will be a shot in the arm that no other team will enjoy... upgrading an already scary roster.

I don't want to see Doc running around bemoaning how flawed we are. Executives of elite teams don't do that.

                
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Post ID: 439868by clipper*joe » Feb 21, 2014 - 09:44 AM PST
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Agreed. Bledsoe is becoming Eric Gordon 2.0

seems like the more time you give him on the floor, the more likely he'll get hurt.

                
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Post ID: 439873by sz123456 » Feb 21, 2014 - 10:39 AM PST
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I don't know about idiotic. We beat Memphis without home court, then we lost to them with home court

                
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Post ID: 439874by sz123456 » Feb 21, 2014 - 10:43 AM PST
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We said calm down last year? We had a phenomenal regular season last year, not sure why anybody would be disappointed

                
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Post ID: 439875by JQuick32 » Feb 21, 2014 - 10:52 AM PST
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That season was disappointing once it became clear that we were a pretender and had a long stretch of not getting quality wins, just like this year.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439876by ClipperPostman » Feb 21, 2014 - 11:02 AM PST
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To use last "Playoffs" as a reference to what will happen this playoffs shows lack of understanding of WHY we lost last PO.

  1. Our star player went down. I don't understand why people "Gloss" over this like its nothing. Had blake Griffin not went down there is a good chance we win that series.

Derrick Rose goes down, and no on expects the bulls to do squat in the playoffs. Our Superstar goes down, and people act like we should still "Win".

  1. We had no shooters. We have shooters this year that are hot. (Crawford, JJ when healthy, and collison.)

  2. DJ was unmotivated and didn't even show up in the playoffs. This year he is on fire for doc.

  3. No half court offense. - We have one of the best half court offenses in the league this year.

Anyone with undertsanding of basketball strategy can clearly see if healthy this team is nothing like Last years and are prime to go to the WCF as is.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439878by namzug » Feb 21, 2014 - 11:07 AM PST
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If you can't see that this year is about becoming and actual contender by improving on defense and staying consistent rather than last year where we were playing on available talent then I don't know what to say. How many times did Chris have to bail us out, and we had Bled who we all would agree that he is a better pg than DC?

We had some failed experiments, but look at the guys being bought out. We are in a good place right now. We can substantially improve our team without hurting our cap much or losing Bullock. Barnes and Dudley can hopefully relax a bit, and hopefully start playing more like the players they have been in the past. Whether we get Ivan, Davis, Clark, and or any other decent player that gets bought out or is available from China; it will most likely be an upgrade over Mullens and Jamison sitting on the bench.

                
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Post ID: 439880by FightOnRon » Feb 21, 2014 - 11:07 AM PST
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At the Trojan football games we had a saying which i see everywhere now for other sports,"Keep Calm and Fight On".

Dude,Doc has been in charge for a whopping 6 months? Clippers have sucked for, oh I don't know, 20 years give or take (I know, I have been here for all of it). He is not going to be perfect in his first "less then a yea"r and i think he has done a pretty good job,when you think about who our owner is and his tradition of being a cheapskate. He is fixing his mistakes and he does know where we need to be,we just need to be there.

                
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Post ID: 439885by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 11:34 AM PST
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I can try to find old threads and show you if you want. People were feeling good during the 17 game win streak and 7 straight going into the playoffs... but myself and a few others saw something deeper. That although they were winning... they were winning in a way not sustainable that would get exposed. Bad habits continued all year and were the downfall in the playoffs. Maybe you have a short memory but try to remember how you felt after we went up 2-0 and got backdoor swept by an average of 13 ppg. To say last year wasn't a disappointing season would be crazy to the average Clippers fan IMO.

                
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Post ID: 439888by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 11:37 AM PST
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Yet that's not happening lmao. I already told you... our defense has DECLINED the last month and a half. There is no tangible growth or improvement in this team since about the first month of the season when our defense was ATROCIOUS early on )(Mullens played a lot). I never said we don't have a more playoff ready team or a better system, because we do. But all around us the west is getting stronger, so a slight improvement isn't enough. People keep saying it takes time but you don't get time or second chances in this league. For all you know our championship window could be 3 years and we've already used 2.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439891by cashdld » Feb 21, 2014 - 11:43 AM PST
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everyone should just calm down we trade away players that were contributing to the team in order to pick up players that are bought out. And from the looks of it, that was the best decision. we get to keep the team we have and have 3 roster openings to add additional talent to the team. everyone said we should trade for a big man like glen Davis. well he is bought out and we can just pick him up instead giving up a pieces. some people said we needed an upgrade at the small forward position well it look like earl Clark is about to and that Danny Granger is a possible pick up because he has a buyout clause in his contract. the clips can fix all of there holes without letting go any good players that we have on the team, hey who know Granger might get his legs back toward the p[layoffs which can be beneficial.

cp3/collison jj/crawford/green granger/barnes/dudley griffin/davis/granger jordan/hollins

Who knows there might be more players that are bought out and we can add them

                
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Post ID: 439892by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 11:50 AM PST
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  1. Blake was injured from game 5 and 6, not the first four games. He had a back spasm issue going in which was minor. Why would you compare our situation to Rose who literally couldn't play anymore lol? Nevermind that we have two superstars, the Bulls have 1 so it's not REMOTELY comparable.

  2. We have no reliable shooters outside of JJ and compared to last year we are actually a worse shooting team believe it or not. Obviously you mean outside shooting, so let me show the numbers there.

2013-2014: 25th ranked three point shooting at 34.3 percent. 2012-2013: 16th ranked three point shooting at 35.5 percent.

Now a 1.2 percent disparity to the average fan sounds worthless but anybody here like say Agent0 who likes stats will tell you that it's a MASSIVE disparity over the course of a season, at the volume in which teams shoot threes. Outside of the Spurs who have a huge lead... the top 15 teams are within percentage points of each other and the highest after the Spurs is the Hornets are 38.2 percent. Also this year we have 2 guys shooting over the league average of 36% from deep, last year we had 5.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/three-point-pct

  1. Yes DJ overall is much better but his defense is still mediocre and incredibly inconsistent most times. He's become an out of this world rebounder, better offensive player and just in general makes far better decisions on both ends. His rim defense, where we need him most is still very bad for a "defensive anchor".

  2. Agreed but surprisingly our offensive numbers aren't any better. Still, can't disagree that we have a system now and that come playoff time it should pay off.

  3. I'll bet you 100 bucks (I'm good for it) that this team as currently constructed will not get out of the 2nd round. Now if we go add a few great sleeper free agents like Davis/Granger/center or something.. maybe. But you said as we stand NOW.

According to SRS which is the most reliable system ever in regards to summing up how good a team is or how it fairs historically.... we are slightly worse than last year. Maybe a huge run to end the season can change that.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439893by Kerley » Feb 21, 2014 - 11:55 AM PST
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I don't normally post here, but the OP is a joke. To claim that Doc sucks as a GM because he didn't make any big moves is laughable. I'm not sure what moves you think where on the table, but there wasn't much going at all for anyone.

We had a Shumpert deal on the table, but he got hurt at the last minute. We had a Zeller deal on the table and tried to sweeten the deal but the Cavs backed away.

I think Doc had a plan and was eager to make a move for a big, but the injuries and news of JJ changed the plan, then nothing materialized.

Doc built this team nicely, he had proven shooters surrounding Blake and we've seen just how crazy good this team can be when everyone is playing like their career numbers show...and we've seen how good this team can be without playing defense too. There is hardly a team that can keep up with the firepower the clippers should have had all season. Is it Doc's fault that Barnes has been a shadow of himself? is it Doc's fault that Dudley isn't playing close to his career numbers? Is it Doc's fault that JJ was shoved in the air by Cousins and broken his wrist? Is it Doc's fault that CP3 injured his shoulder? Is it Doc's fault that he couldn't force someone to commit to a trade? NO.

My criticism of Doc is more about his reaction time and lack of play time given to certain guys. Bullock deserves some time at the 2 and or 3. Develop this kid already.

Doc is a little nonchalant about things, and I think people are used to that kind of demeanor, they want Doc to panic and get mad, but he's laid back and willing to let the chips fall before he reacts. But to claim he's been "awful" is plain wrong.

Just take a look at the heap of bought out players, a few of those guys and I think we're back on track. Rumor around the net and twitter was that almost every call Doc had was for Bullock, I'd be shocked if doesn't start to get more minutes and rotate into the 2 and 3. I also think JJ will probably be back mid march maybe sooner. We have nothing to stress out about, none of the other teams above us made moves that make them better either. I'm not scared of one other team in the west.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439894by namzug » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:03 PM PST
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I'm not saying we are where we want to be, and I'm not saying that we don't need to still improve between now and the playoffs. I'm saying (almost what ClipperPostman already said), that we have improved on things systematically. We still are lacking consistency.

Without looking at our stats I would have to say our defense has improved, where we have lacked and lost our footing is our rebounding. How many times do we get stops, just to give up second chance points? The stats can be deceiving, but we are top ten in opponent eFG%, middle of the pack in turnovers forced, but bottom five in DRB%. We have given up the second most offensive rebounds to opponents and are only behind Lakers in that category. With that said if you are counting that as part of our defense (which it is part of defense) then you are right, but that is one part of defense that has made us appear much worse overall than what we actually are.

If we are able to sign Big Baby and/or Ivan, maybe give Reggie some more minutes at the two while Reddick is out, heck even possibly bring Clark at the 3 or Barnes just relaxing and playing his game (not leaking out and shooting every open 3 he sees, and going back to doing all the little things we have come to expect from him), we could be a much better team. Honestly just signing Big Baby would help our rebounding, based on that he is a bit better rebounder than Hollins.

                
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Post ID: 439896by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:08 PM PST
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Defensive efficiency ranking has far more to do with getting stops than rebounding and it's declining over the last month and a half or so. We peaked at 6 or 7 and are now down to I think 12. Sure rebounding is an Achilles heel but so is D.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439899by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:17 PM PST
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@Kerley

Go back and read it again and tell me where I said we had to make "big moves". My point is actually SMALL moves, addressing holes we've had all season long. Instead of Doc sitting around taking his time. It's much easier to integrate players in November than it is March. With 7 posts, I don't think anybody is surprised to know you spend little time here.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been An Awful GM Post ID: 439900by JahvonTheClip » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:18 PM PST
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I think people think doc is a Gm because he talks like one. He always says I had to a do this or that but its not really him solely. He Is more of a messenger

                
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Post ID: 439902by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:22 PM PST
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Nope.

http://www.nba.com/clippers/glenn-ldquo ... s-and-head

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A VP of basketball ops is a fancy way of saying a GM with more power and in our particular case he's Sacks's direct boss.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439905by uncool » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:29 PM PST
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One thing I think Doc is is a recruiter. Players want to play for him. JJ Redick spoke about being recruited by him, it didn't work with Bynum but that guy is strange, he got Collison to take less, & for the year Barnes had last year, his contract looked good at the time, other than that he hasn't had many FA recruiting opportunities, but this week of waivers will be one, let's see how he does... #InDocWeTrust

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439907by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:32 PM PST
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This a good point Uncool. Doc is an incredible recruiter/charmer. A key trait as the GM. I see potential in him to be an amazing GM but he needs to be more proactive with making changes like Olshey/Sacks were for us the 3 years prior I believe.

                
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Post ID: 439910by Kerley » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:50 PM PST
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I'm not sure what my post count has to do with how much time I spend here, but OK. I just don't agree with the notion that for every good move Doc made that he's made 2-3 bad moves. Miss-calculated, sure, but that's not on him as a GM. We can all agree that there are probably 25 teams in the NBA that would trade rosters with the Clippers. Doc built a great team, but we can point to 3-4 players that haven't panned out like everyone thought.

Dudley, Barnes and Mullens are the culprits. That's really it. Hollins is exactly what he was last year. He's an average back up center, Mullens should have filled the gaps, but he never panned out. Not sure if you've looked around the NBA, but quality bigs are few and far between. They aren't growing on trees like guards. Good bigs are locked up and quality backups are never available. It's just the nature of the NBA. Turk was signed for the remainder because he was the best available, and he's been a decent sub.

No one here can explain the poor play of Dudley and Barnes. I feel bad for those guys and if you follow them on twitter, they're both pretty upset about it. Barnes and Dudley have both been reported as working extra hard and taking more shot after games and after practice. They just haven't found their game. It's no ones fault, the system they're playing in has given them more than enough open opportunities to find it.

Doc was a genius with JJ and DJ. Plain and simple. JJ is truly a mirror image of Ray Allen, and the fact that it took this long for anyone to realize it is crazy. What ever he did to get DJ playing the way he has should put Doc in conversations for coach of the year.

I just don't agree with the he's been awful OP. He's had flashes of greatness and flashes of being human. We have a few guys who are having a hard time finding their game, one of which is gone, and the other 2 will probably bounce back.

You can form whatever opinion you want from me because I only "X" number of posts. I just think you're being a little irrational after 2/3rds of a season and one trade deadline.

We're all entitled to our own opinion and I respect you for sharing yours, but it's okay if we don't agree. I actually blame CP3 for more loses than I blame Dudley or Barnes for personally, but it is what it is.

We need help behind Blake and DJ, at the 3 and probably behind Jamal. Bullock can fill the hole behind Jamal and cover some time at the 3. Collison can only help so much at the 2. The answer for the big is a huge question mark, Davis, Clark, both?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439911by Agent0 » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:51 PM PST
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VDN was actually quite gifted as a wine and dine guy himself. I believe Vinny would be a better GM that he is a coach to be honest. He always had the right idea in terms of the team needs, of course having the ability money wise, etc to get those players is a different situation.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439913by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:54 PM PST
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Well according to the poll most feel he's been "good" which is mighty generous. I changed my OP title from Awful to mediocre, because it's probably more accurate to how I truly feel. BTW I wasn't attacking your post count my friend, my 7 posts comment was in regards to you saying "I don't come here much" or w/e. Like you and others said hindsight is 20/20 and Barnes/Dudley can't be blamed on Doc. We can step outside of what he did BEFORE the season if you want and just look at what he's done DURING the season and more recently. The only smart signing/roster fill he's pulled off is Hedo so far. Everybody else we've tried is gone and there hasn't been an urgency to fill the gaps as I said.

                
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Post ID: 439914by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 12:55 PM PST
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Yea lol.. I was going to say this too in the other post, but didn't. Vinny with his beautiful mane of hair used to charm players too haha. Difference is Doc has a fantastic reputation as a coach and winner of course.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439920by namzug » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:05 PM PST
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@Clippersfan86, I don't think we are were we need to be yet either; but second chance points will have an effect on that defensive efficiency ranking as well. If you get an offensive rebound it usually leads to easy points, those are extra possessions that lead to easy points. Those second chance points are part of the possessions counted against you in the defensive efficiency ranking, that is why I said that rebounding is part of defense. It wouldn't be so impactful if we weren't as bad at rebounding as a team. I don't see too many stops when we give up second chance points, and it is tough to expect them.

                
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Post ID: 439922by MunoValente » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:08 PM PST
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Actually I think he'd be even worse as a GM, VDN reminds me of Isiah Thomas, all likability and people skills, but absolutely no substance.

                
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Post ID: 439925by MunoValente » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:14 PM PST
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Isn't that the nature of scrap heap signings though? Most of them don't work out and are gone pretty quickly and you try someone else. That we got one to work out ok and stick with the team a good thing, because most of the time they don't.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439927by namzug » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:17 PM PST
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I'm on the fence on Vinny as a GM. I don't remember what he was doing in Pheonix's front office and how much actual pull he had. I liked a lot of the moves we were making while he was with us, but hated the move he wanted to make for KG involving DJ (know that they weren't buddies).

                
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Post ID: 439928by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:18 PM PST
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You bring up good points buddy, not disagreeing. Like you said if you give teams 2-3 chances to score, they WILL. Usually we play great D the first time but as you said give up buckets off boards. It's hands down our Achilles heel as a team no doubt. I'm just saying that although rebounding relates to D, it's not the main criteria for defensive efficiency rating. Although we can agree that the rebounding errors hurt that figure.

                
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Post ID: 439935by Kerley » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:22 PM PST
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I normally don't post here. I frequent this site during my day. I'm an industrial designer, if my boss or co-workers here constant keyboard clicks they'll know I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing, lol.

I would totally agree if that were the OP. I'm a little irked by Doc saying that we'll stay at 12 guys for a little bit. It's almost march buddy, it is time to get someone on board. Is he gun shy, is he unsure of what the team really needs? does it matter in the playoffs when the minutes will go to the guys we have playing now anyways? I don't have the answer, but running around with Turk and Hollins is alarming. If Bullock is inserted into the rotation tonight and plays well, I'll feel better.

                
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Post ID: 439936by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:27 PM PST
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See this is how I feel. Maybe I just worded the OP too strongly for your taste (I'm a passionate guy, do this a lot), glad the miscommunication was resolved. The "We probably will stick at 12 guys for a while" comment is what actually triggered me to make this thread. Like Cleepers said Doc does well never to show his hand but I DO get the sense that he genuinely works at his own pace and has no urgency to fill in these issues. Every time us fans cry out for a backup center he goes and signs a wing player. Like you said if Bullock starts playing a lot and we sign say Glen Davis, I'll feel a hell of a lot better about our chances.

You should come around more after work and hang out man. Especially today for the Grizzlies game. Sure to be drama in the game thread haha.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439940by namzug » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:31 PM PST
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I think we agree on most things for the majority of the time. I was a bit surprised you were so low on Doc as a GM, I know he isn't setting the world on fire. I think he will improve with time, and am waiting to judge on his first year until I see what we are heading into the playoffs with.

Right now if we are able to sign Big Baby we could be in a very good spot. He can fill both spots and give us that size that we have been missing down low. I think he wants to play for Doc again, and that is a plus for him. As much as I like Ivan, Big Baby makes a lot more sense for us. I've been looking at some of his games, and he seems to be able to play solid minutes at Center (which if anybody has watched him play and has any incite on him playing center I would greatly appreciate it). He has also played with Doc before which will help the learning curve.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439941by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:37 PM PST
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Nam I just needed you guys to remind me of a couple moves I forgot, then it was more reasonable to say mediocre to so-so. Still disagree with "good" in poll though. Yea we do usually agree and I have a lot of like and respect for you.

                
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Post ID: 439944by ClipperPostman » Feb 21, 2014 - 01:45 PM PST
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I don't know why you refuse to factor in health.

  1. Blakes injury happened in game 5 like you said. We were 2-2 at that point. We still had home court advantage.

His injury was serious. He couldn't jump, and didn't even finish game 6.

  1. Again you don't factor in health. This is why I keep saying IF HEALTHY.

The stats don't reveal a healthy team... JJ out all season (Our best shooter) Chris Paul missing 5 weeks. Collison sprained toe.

At one point our bench backcourt was our starting backcourt.

So you can expect team stats won't show how good we really are when healthy.

I'll say it again. WHEN HEALTHY we are a WCF team hands down.

We should be praising Doc to be fighting for 3rd in the west after losing key players to injury.

                
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Now that I think about it Doc has done an ok job so far. Mullens and Jamison were terrible additions. Its not Doc's fault that Redick is constantly injured and Dudley regressed like crazy. Collison and Turkoglu were good additions and Doc did manage to dump Mullens and Jamison.

If Doc can get players like Davis, Granger, Clark, Ivan it would be nice.

                
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Post ID: 439957by fullcourt » Feb 21, 2014 - 02:18 PM PST
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Those rankings are totally devoid of context if you look at them closely you mentioned the Hornets but no one in the nba thinks the Hornets are a better three point shooting team than we are NOBODY.

Jamal Crawford has made the 10th most threes in the nba but Kendall Marshall leads the league in three point % who is the reliable shooter?

These things have got to be put into context.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Doc Rivers Has Been A Mediocre GM Post ID: 439959by Clippersfan86 » Feb 21, 2014 - 02:24 PM PST
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What context do I need LMAO? Among individual players you're 100 percent right that context means a lot but among TEAM stats the bottom line is how you shoot combined. Doesn't necessarily mean specific players are worse than others. Bottom line is on PAPER we have a bunch of shooters but you don't win games on PAPER. You win with consistentcy on the court and we are one of the worst shooting teams in the NBA outside of the paint this year. We have the talent to be top 10, but are 25th. Until they prove they can consistently shoot like the Spurs, no context is needed.

                
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