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Post Subject: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 439857by clipperboy24 » Feb 21, 2014 - 08:33 AM PST
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Lets hope the clippers can pick him up. He would be a much better option than Ivan and he and Davis could play the 4 and 5 together. I really hope we can get one or both.



                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 439861by jarca » Feb 21, 2014 - 09:09 AM PST
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we got so many options right now that we have 3 open spots. Surely, we can't hit a home run with all 3 but i am expecting at least a double

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 439863by cleepers » Feb 21, 2014 - 09:18 AM PST
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I like the kid's hustle and he's young and quick, which could work well with Collison. Definitely a possibility.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 439865by clipperharry » Feb 21, 2014 - 09:29 AM PST
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Pick him up enough said !!! Wow

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 439866by uncool » Feb 21, 2014 - 09:34 AM PST
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Why would Philly waive him & keep Mullens? Lol obvious Tankers! Anyway, I would like this pick up! I would still want Big Baby & Granger too. Heck, can we waive Ryan Hollins too? Lol so many options out there!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 439867by cleepers » Feb 21, 2014 - 09:41 AM PST
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^ Actually, this move may make Granger a little less likely to be let go. I'm not sure of Philly's numbers, but they are required to meet the league minimum payroll. They can't just waive everybody.

                
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Post ID: 439870by clipperboy24 » Feb 21, 2014 - 10:13 AM PST
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Yeah he can make the 3 is a very good defender, able to defend the 3,4 and 5. Also a solid rebounder and decent passer.

                
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Post ID: 439871by MunoValente » Feb 21, 2014 - 10:21 AM PST
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They have to pay Granger whether they release him or not, so it doesn't effect that. Also even if they are below the salary floor it just means they pay everyone else on the team more until they meet it; trading for Granger's contract cost some of other guys on the team about million dollars above their current salary extra they would have been paid to meet the floor.

                
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Post ID: 439872by cleepers » Feb 21, 2014 - 10:33 AM PST
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Interesting. I didn't know that.

                
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Post ID: 440530by Heediot » Feb 22, 2014 - 06:44 AM PST
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I think he is a system player. He would work in our system better than Brown's.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 440542by clipperboy24 » Feb 22, 2014 - 11:22 AM PST
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We really need to sign Earl Clark he might be a better fit than Davis as Clark is actually a good defender.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 440569by Agent0 » Feb 22, 2014 - 12:55 PM PST
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Davis is actually a good defender. Clark is more versatile in that he can cover more positions. Davis would be more of a 4/5 while Clark more of a 3/4 for us. The former is more of a need.

Davis is also a better shot maker than Clark which might weight into the decision, but more so he's played with Doc, knows him and knows his system which will help the transition.

                
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Post ID: 440573by clipperboy24 » Feb 22, 2014 - 01:07 PM PST
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Davis is a decent defender can be very lazy at times. Clark's defense is what kept him in the league on the Magic.

He was drafted to be a multi tool player he just didn't pan out as much as people hoped (work ethic was a big problem in college). On the lakers he actually played center and guarded the opposing centers most of the time and did a great job when Dwight was injured. Plus he can make the 3pt shot when he needs to. He is kind of lie Boris Diaw type player with less passing expertise and better rebounding.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 440586by Agent0 » Feb 22, 2014 - 01:38 PM PST
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Clark's defense is part of it, but also his length and potential since he's still been in the young player we can develop mold. I petitioned to sign him in summer instead of Barnes as i thought he would be cheaper, but he ended up getting $4.3M which is not reasonable. I even brought the quotes of SVG talking about his defense, so I'm not unaware of his game, but he was a guy I was thinking of for more like $2M.

It's all about Doc's desire. If you feel you can better balance offense and defense with the other guys, then it makes more sense to go with a Davis. Clark's offense and consistency has always been his struggle. He's not an elite defender, but he's above average to good and versatile, but it in as been hard for teams to justify playing him when he plays bad on offense and so inconsistent in his production.

His 34.5% 3PT this season isn't bad at all, and the combined 34.1% on 220 attempts over the past two seasons is okay too. Obviously it would be nice if he could finish at the basket, but if you want a more useful play in the role Mullens was brought in to play, he could do that, but he's inconsistent in everything.

Davis gives the better option if you want to play him against a C, the familiarity with Doc and his system, and despite his lack of sound shot selection, the better offensive player. Davis also gives the consistency which to me might be the biggest thing. As a tea, trying to play at a high level, you really want that consistency, and Davis will just be a more consistent player than Clark who still hasn't put that part together yet.

Btw, iirc, Gasol played C and Clark PF.

                
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Post ID: 440648by clipperboy24 » Feb 22, 2014 - 09:20 PM PST
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I was with you hoping they would sign him I actually was hoping they would trade for him when he was on the Magic.

Oh and as far as positionally he may have been PF on offense (makes sense since he has an outside shot) but on defense he was guarding the 5's and actually doing a good job. I have been a fan of his since freshman year at Louisville and watched almost all the lakers games he started in.

Also Clark produces better than Dudley and you said he was a good deal at $4.25mm and decent bigs are harder to find especially ones that can play on both ends of the court.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 440668by Agent0 » Feb 22, 2014 - 11:16 PM PST
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No, no, I thought Clark was a bad deal at $4.3M. He's a reasonable deal at $2M or less. He hadn't proven enough consistency or shown solid enough offensive ability to make that much and he's not a defensive anchor where you pay him on that. There are a lot more productive players who don't make as much. I thought he would be cheap, but he wasn't.

Clark produces less than Dudley actually, and this year he's matched Dudley's worst season production wise.

We'll compare per 36 since Clark only played 15.5 MPG with Cleveland.

Clark: 12.1 pts, 6.6 rebs, 0.8 ast, 0.8 stl, 1.0 blk, 37.5% FG, 34.5% 3PT, 46.7% TS, 8.8 PER

Dudley: 10.6 pts, 3.0 rebs, 2.0 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.2 blk, 44.2% FG, 35.2% 3PT, 54.2% TS, 8.8 PER

So I think if he was to be acquired a tempered expectation would be best as to not be disappointed because of placing unrealistic expectations,on him. Might be more of a matchup / situational play than becoming a staple rotation guy night in a night out who produces regularly.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 440671by clipperboy24 » Feb 22, 2014 - 11:41 PM PST
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^^^ you said Dudley was a good deal at $4.25mm that's what I was referring to. Outside of shooting % and assists he is better than Dudley in per 36.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 440675by Agent0 » Feb 23, 2014 - 12:56 AM PST
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Oh, Dudley, yes, but that's in reference to the version of Dudley we were supposed to get, not this years version. This years version is worth the veteran's minimum. They have different strengths and weaknesses production wise. Clark's noticable advantages are rebounding and shot blocking, Dudley's passing and of course shooting all over. Scoring is a minimal difference and on this team Clark's scoring rate would most likely be fairly lower if he's shooting so poorly, so that isn't really significant. Sadly for Clark, taking more shots and shooting fairly worse overall is actually a more negative outcome for your team on offense than shooting less. It's been a struggle for both guys this year.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 440709by calipublicist » Feb 23, 2014 - 11:36 AM PST
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How many playoff games has Earl Clark been in? There's a difference in playing well for teams that are below .500 and teams that area aiming at a Finals appearance.

                
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Post ID: 440712by cleepers » Feb 23, 2014 - 11:41 AM PST
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About the same amount as Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes, but that doesn't seem to bother Indy.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441346by AirGriffin » Feb 23, 2014 - 03:29 PM PST
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Clark is healthier and in better shape than dudley. He is also younger, more athletic, and seems to cut a lot more and make the right plays.

Stats don't show everything but if we are looking at the PER 36 Agent posted I can live with that seeing how he can score in more ways than Dudley and is doubling Dudley's rebounding.

And who knows, clark might understand and fulfill his role much better under Doc than any other coach he's played for and really start to show his true potential. Let's not forget, he's longer and a better defender than dudley as well. I'm all for signing him and starting him at the 3 or having him come in for Barnes.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441475by loyalclipfan » Feb 24, 2014 - 01:32 AM PST
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IF we can sign earl on the the cheap or a 10-day contract, let's do it!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441481by calipublicist » Feb 24, 2014 - 01:54 AM PST
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No thanks, give me Danny Granger. I wouldn't mind seeing World Peace in a Clippers uni either. Paired with Barnes, that might be a good defensive tandem.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441486by Heediot » Feb 24, 2014 - 05:35 AM PST
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Would prefer Granger as a gamble, but I would not mind Clark. Sign either one and this has been a very good trade deadline.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441502by JamFan » Feb 24, 2014 - 09:39 AM PST
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It is not a done deal that we will go to 15 players, we might stop at 14. If we add two more players then Earl is a good option. But if we don't add two, then I think the player they add is another outside shooter, if available. Granger averaged 25ppg just a couple of years ago before he got injured. If he is available and if will come to the Clips, they will sign him. He is a 6'9" SF and we need to get taller/longer at the 3. They will look for the best shooter available.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441538by loyalclipfan » Feb 24, 2014 - 12:20 PM PST
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Still would not mind a10-day contract to earl to evaluate his athleticism for our bench squad.

                
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Post ID: 441542by Icecoldclipper » Feb 24, 2014 - 12:29 PM PST
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Agree with this the whole purpose of 10 days is to buy time for bigger moves and evaluate options. Would ten day Clark and rest Dudley's knee.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441544by calipublicist » Feb 24, 2014 - 12:33 PM PST
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I've fully committed to referring to Dudley as "Dud-ley". But I fully expected his performance. Dude has a sub par skill set, and wasn't outstanding on a horrible defensive team. What do you expect to get from a guy like that who has a starting role on a team that has a target on its back?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441547by namzug » Feb 24, 2014 - 12:39 PM PST
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I would like a 10 day based on everyone is waiting for Granger. If Granger doesn't happen those same teams might be knocking on this guys door. If we could get a headstart just in case a ten day wouldn't really do to much, and we might find a gem. Still in the same position for Granger, and Earl can play the 3 or the 4.

                
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Post ID: 441557by Agent0 » Feb 24, 2014 - 01:13 PM PST
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Not outstanding on a horrible defensive team isn't some unique situation. Players go from terrible teams to good teams all the time and produce, so that isn't really a valid excuse IMO.

                
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Post ID: 441559by BringKamanBack » Feb 24, 2014 - 01:16 PM PST
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yeah, that would be a good defensive tandem.... in 2009..

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441990by what_up_clipnation83 » Feb 25, 2014 - 05:11 PM PST
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Looks like Earls off the table, just signed with the Knicks

Knicks a;so worked out Dahntay Jones, before settling with Earl. Dahntay's a 6'8" wing defender and pretty good a defending. Also can hit the occasional three, which we could use.

                
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Post ID: 441994by clipperboy24 » Feb 25, 2014 - 05:21 PM PST
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Sucks we didn't get him, would have been a great fit here. He will probably be pretty productive in NY.

                
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Post ID: 441995by what_up_clipnation83 » Feb 25, 2014 - 05:27 PM PST
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Yea one of my other choices at the wing besides Granger and it looks like the Spurs have the inside track on him.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441997by illastrate » Feb 25, 2014 - 05:33 PM PST
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disregard

                
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Post Subject: RE: Earl Clark Waived! Post ID: 441998by MunoValente » Feb 25, 2014 - 05:48 PM PST
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Clark is significantly better at PF than SF, so the Knicks are a better fit for him, given we already signed Davis and Blake plays so many minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if Clark was starting for the Knicks by the end of season, or least playing 20+ minutes off the bench because Amare can't play much. Here he would be fighting with Davis, Turkoglu, Bullock and Dudley for scraps which he may or not get.

                
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Post ID: 442016by clipperboy24 » Feb 25, 2014 - 07:21 PM PST
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Agree with that, he is more of a big but can play the 3. I would have liked to see us utilize a bigger lineup with him some and really take it to teams on the inside defense and the boards. I think he will be a starter for the Knicks by season end as well. Cleveland was a bad fit since they already had Tristan Thompson, drafted Bennett, picked up Bynum, had Zeller and Varejao

                
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