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By Arash Markazi | ESPNLosAngeles.com MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- A day after the NBA trade deadline, the Los Angeles Clippers stepped into FedEx Forum with 12 jerseys hanging around their locker room. It was three fewer than the Clippers had last week and two fewer than the team expected to have when they boarded their flight for Memphis on Thursday morning. Such is life in the NBA this time of year as teams shuffle their rosters for a playoff push. Doc Rivers will do some recruiting over the next week as he tries to reinforce the Clippers' roster.After Thursday's 102-96 loss to the....

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ClippersDA
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Crawford needs to not play down the stretch if he is going to hog the ball. That was disgusting last night.

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Glen davis, earl Clark and Ivan Johnson would be money. Just wish we had traded matt Barnes or Dudley, that Shumpert and Felton for Barnes and Collison trade would have worked well for us I think.

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The two positions we need the most help at are SF and backup C. Ironically if you scan the names of most likely to be bought out, Caron Butler and Chris Kaman are the top options at those respective positions. Hopefully they don't have ill will against the Clippers because they would both be difference makers for us.

Here are my top targets:

#1: Chris Kaman : C (PER: 17.6!!)

#2 Big Baby Glen Davis : PF (PER: 14)

#3 Caron Butler : SF (PER: 13) Over 36% from 3 without CP3 getting him the wide open looks Dudley and Barnes are missing

#4 Danny Granger : SF (PER: 10.5)

The Clippers need a big man (or 2) and a SF from my above list to be true contenders this year. Both pickups would be part of the 8/9 man playoff rotation. Go Clipps!

Honorable mention to Earl Clark, Reggie Evans and Charlie Villanueva for our 15th man.

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Caron coming back? No thanks, don't get me wrong I like the guy and what he did for us but I don't want him back.

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Good post, Braves. I don't think that Caron would bear any kind of grudge, since the Clippers sent him back to his native Wisconsin - he even said he wanted to retire there. Kaman, I could see being awkward.

It would be so ironic if those were the two that put us over the top, though.

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@Silasie - You're very quick to shoot down Caron coming back. You must be able to acknowledge the Clipps need help at the 3. Who do you recommend they get? Dudley must be removed from the rotation until he can play D, rebound, or hit open 3s. Right now he's a liability across all of those. Based on Player Efficiency Rating, Caron is the 30th best SF in the league. Does that sound like it would hurt the Clippers? It does at first, until you realize: Barnes is 58th! Dudley is 60th! Both with negative Estimated Wins Added!! See....

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I think we lucked out by not making that trade. Shumpert isn't better than Barnes at SF, and Collison is much better than Felton, not to mention that Shumpert is out anyways, so it does nothing for us now.

This. I'm still concerned myself about the defense. We have the individuals that when healthy we can produce enough offense, and the system is fine,doesn't mean it will be clicking every night, so I'm not worried there really. What I'm worried about is that we don't want to be on that path again where in order to win a series, we have to produce better than 7 seconds or less Nash / D'Antoni Phoenix Suns in order to win a series.

Good teams win in multiple ways. We showed a a bit of that last night. Shots not falling, get to the FT line, you just have to make them. But we need to be able to win games on defense, not just on offense. That 12-14 minutes a game that the bench comes in is a bigger deal than some might think in terms of winning. We lost to GS by 4 and Portland by 2 when a Redick was out earlier for example. Just keeping it even is good enough from the bench, and it doesn't matter whether theyndomit by scoring a lot or or defending really well and just scoring enough to make up.

Agent0
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Caron doesn't bring anything more than Barnes or Dudley. Part of his issue last season was that he was also not quick enough laterally on defense, and he didn't bring any defensive intangibles. His PER is higher because he gets to shoot a lot more than them with the Bucks. But Caron is a lateral move at best and just unnecessarily stacking a position.

No need to do that one.

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For those that don't have insider here you go:

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Small Forwards

Rank PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA

30 Caron Butler, MIL 34 24.1 .494 11.5 10.7 22.4 2.1 20.3 10.9 12.65 26.3 0.9

37 Metta World Peace,NY 29 13.4 .469 9.2 10.3 18.5 5.2 13.0 8.9 11.81 7.6 0.3

51 Danny Granger, IND 29 22.5 .491 10.5 11.4 18.0 4.3 13.1 9.0 10.44 -0.6 -0.0

52 Harrison Barnes, GS 51 29.0 .502 10.6 9.4 16.0 3.1 12.0 7.7 10.42 -1.8 -0.1

53 Alan Anderson, BKN 52 24.8 .526 11.9 8.5 14.8 2.6 8.8 5.7 10.18 -6.3 -0.2

54 Gerald Wallace, BOS 55 24.1 .539 28.3 19.2 11.9 2.7 14.0 8.3 10.05 -8.8 -0.3

55 Steve Novak, TOR 33 10.7 .548 9.5 2.6 12.5 1.0 10.9 5.8 9.87 -3.3 -0.1

56 Shane Battier, MIA 47 21.1 .552 16.0 3.2 9.2 3.1 9.0 6.1 9.51 -14.6 -0.5

57 Robbie Hummel, MIN 31 10.7 .450 9.4 3.8 11.6 7.0 18.8 12.7 9.23 -6.3 -0.2

58 Matt Barnes, LAC 38 24.4 .489 16.0 11.5 15.2 4.4 14.0 9.4 9.04 -20.2 -0.7

59 Earl Clark, CLE 45 15.5 .467 5.4 10.1 16.5 3.1 17.8 10.1 8.85 0.0 0.0

60 Jared Dudley, LAC 57 25.9 .542 15.7 9.1 12.7 2.3 6.9 4.6 8.79 -37.5 -1.3

jarca
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Anyway we can cut or waive Dudley? Open up 4 spot and get granger, Clark, Davis, and Johnson

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We'd have to buy him out. That's $4.25mil for the next 2 years, plus what he's owed this season... and he'd have to agree to it. Usually, a buyout is around 50% of the total amount owed, but Dudley's not going to see another payday like this unless he gets back to form.

I don't see Donald giving him $5-7million just to go away, then having to pay another SF. Plus, it seems he's in Doc's plans.

Very unlikely to happen, IMO.

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We won't and shouldn't get all 4. Players generally sign for some sort of role.

We can't play or promise all 4 minutes to make them happy. We only need two of those guys really.

So either Davis OR Johnson, or Granger OR Clark.

Players have agents, players want roles, if they want to get a decent contract next season for he most part, they need to land somewhere where they can play. If we sign Davis, Johnson will move on. If we sign Clark, Granger will move on.

I like Davis and a Granger. Davis has experience with Doc and him and Ivan's games are similar enough where they would be redundant to have both anyways. Ivan has been lurking for some time too, so there seems to be more urgency in going after a guy like Davis.

Clark is nice, and if Granger wasn't available, possibly go for it, though with this roster composition he might not be good enough to be worth the logjam. He is a bit of a tweener 3/4 and he's never shot as well as a Granger has. Last season with the Lakers was the only time he looked better than a bad offensive player, so it's the defense he's being gotten for. The question is whether is defense is firstly better, and secondly if it even is, whether the gap is enough to make up for a Granger easily being the better offensive player.

Granger just makes the most sense out of those two. I'm not sure Clark will be quickly snatched up anyways, so better to explore the Granger angle first, then see. Granger is more likely to make a difference in the teams fortunes than Clark is. Clark is more likely to just be another option instead of Dudley or Barnes, but with similar production (defense vs offense switch).

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@Jarca - I've read that Clippers were not impressed by Ivan Johnson's workout. I think he would already be on a 10 day contract if they had been.

@Agent0 - I see your point that Butler "may" only be a lateral move. Dudley's defense to me has been despicable, but I haven't watched a lot of Bucks games (who has this year?) to know if Butler has much left in the tank defensively. Hopefully, Doc knows what he's doing and lands us Granger/Clark or someone that can help on D and 3s.

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Team should bring Ronnie Brewer (waived by Rockets) onto the team on a ten day contract. Solid defensive minded vet that can play SG and has strong size at the position. We start him and in which allows Jamal to booster the point total of our bench production and help free up Collison. The only issue with this plan is I feel you need to start Bullock or Dudley to create at least the atmosphere of spacing because Barnes with Brewer teams will pack the paint from both sides. We can get Davis and Granger and have a full unit until JJ comes back.

Paul/Collison

Brewer/Crawford/Green

Dudley or Bullock or Granger/Barnes

Griffin/Granger/Davis/Turk

Jordan/Davis

CapsNClips
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Our SF's have been so useless that I honestly think picking up Granger is more important than Big Baby even though we desperatly need a big. Our team is nothing without floor spacing.

In a perfect world I'd want Granger/Davis/Clark, but in a realistic world I think we only can get Davis and Granger, and in a shitty world we end up with only Metta and Ivan.

clipperboy24
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@Silasie - You're very quick to shoot down Caron coming back. You must be able to acknowledge the Clipps need help at the 3. Who do you recommend they get? Dudley must be removed from the rotation until he can play D, rebound, or hit open 3s. Right now he's a liability across all of those. Based on Player Efficiency Rating, Caron is the 30th best SF in the league. Does that sound like it would hurt the Clippers? It does at first, until you realize: Barnes is 58th! Dudley is 60th! Both with negative Estimated Wins Added!! See....

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I think everybody wants Big Baby and I think we'll be favorites to get him. The issue is who helps us more between Granger and Clark, because I doubt we sign two more SF's.

My thinking is that Granger would help us more right now because of his offensive output, but Clark would help us more when JJ comes back because Jamal basically IS the 2nd unit offense and Clark's youth (ie: quickness), defense and versatility would help us more in the playoffs.

I'm leaning toward Baby and Clark, but wouldn't be disappointed with Baby and Granger. I trust Doc to make the right call.

Pretty great that we're on everybody's shortlist along with the champs, though. I think they see that we're very close to everything clicking for this team.

clipperboy24
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The nice thing about Clark and big baby = no more hollins and more potential rest for dj and Blake. Clark really is a 4/3 with the ability to play the 5. Granger would be awesome to actually start at the 3. Barnes and Dudley are just weighing us down.

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To add, great point that we are even on those short lists Cleepers! It's nice to see we are no longer the clippers of old even in waived vet's eyes

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Prefer Granger over Clark because his name alone will give warrant to starting him and shutting down Dudley until healed. In another case he is big enough to play the PF spot and with the second unit we could use him as a low post option if signs of finding his shot. Add Granger on the block and Davis with his soft touch we could work outside in or inside out.

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Davis would be my first option, then Clark, then Granger. Don't trust Granger after a major injury

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After watching James Johnson rip us a new one I want a player similar to that and Clarke has proven he can block shots, dunk, rebound and defend. I feel like they are from the same mold. That being said, Floor spacing is crucial to our success in the playoffs. If we can't hit 3's against the Rockets, Thunder, Spurs...etc we are gonna get blown out.

Granger is a must get IMO

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You mean one of the top 4th scorers in the league shouldn't look to score when he comes in the 4th and we are down? Shocked

People are complaining about the bench but these past two games this is largely Docs fault. One of Jamals underrated values to this team has been that at the start of the 2nd and 4th quarters he has been able to carry the offense while Blake and CP sit and rest. This allows him to handle the ball more and to get himself going offensively. We are almost always able to hold or gain ground in this situation.

The past two games Doc has played Jamal almost the entire 1st and 3rd quarters but he is also played CP as well which does us no good. If you are going to play CP the entire quarter and give him the ball at the end of those quarters then why not take Jamal out at the 5 minute mark of the 1st and 3rd quarters. You then put him back in at the start of the 2nd and 4th with bench guys to provide scoring for that unit while Blake and CP rest and then finish out the quarter as the 3rd option with Blake and CP.

There is no reason whatsoever for Doc to be playing Jamal until the final minute of the 1st and 3rd and taking him out and then sitting him at the start of quarters (2nd and 4th ) he is usually starting and doing the most damage.

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^Agreed, Doc hasn't done the best job staggering their minutes. The starting lineup can survive a couple for minutes a game without Crawford. Stick Bullock in for 10 MPG with the starting lineup and Jamal for more minutes with the bench to give more balance.

Those players can be tricky. Johnson like Clark has struggled with inconsistency and poor offense in the past. He's much more talented than Clark in terms of all-round ability though. If we can't get Granger then Clark is a decent other option.

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We got Big Baby!! Even if the Clippers don't sign another guy, I think getting Big Baby for nothing in return makes this the Clippers best trade deadline week ever.

Now if we can add Granger or Kaman it will be trade deadline week that we all remember for a long time. Come on Doc! In Doc we trust!

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I would rather have Kaman and Granger than Davis and Granger.

But if we can't get Kaman I'd def take davis. I'm a fan of length

and Davis is really undersized. I could still see us having to play

Ryan Hollins at C when DJ goes out during some periods of the game.

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I don't know about best ever, I still consider Brian Cook / Nick Young trade as one of the better one.

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Brian Cook????? roll , how about we'll bring back also Ryan Gomes. Very Happy

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Hope we get Granger so we can let Dudley rot on the bench. His poor play is inexcusable at this point.

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We will offload him this summer even of we need to pay a team for their trouble.

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What If Kaman gets bought out and we sign him and Granger Chris Paul - Darren Collison JJ Reddick - Jamal Crawford - Willie Green Danny Granger - Matt Barnes - Reggie Bullock - Jared "LetEmRot" Dudley Blake Griffin....

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and look what happens this game Doc subbed Jamal out at the 5 minute mark and put him to start the 2nd and 4th quarters and it allows Collison and Bullock to get some run with the starters and for Jamal to get himself going to close out the 2nd and 4th quarters.

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Rather play Davis at the C spot. He can hang with most centers to be honest.

I think we should save that 15th spot for someone special or an injury emergency.

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^ yup. We need Clark now. A 3/4 player will be the cherry on the cake.

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Either Granger or Clark would be good. MWP is meh to me. He is no longer a good defender and he is old. Not to mention his shot selection and general antics.

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Yeah, I'll be happy with either Clark or Granger. Mental world Artest shouldn't even be in the discussion.

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MWP/the artist formerly known as Artest is a really bad idea.....no........no...........no!!

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I'd take Kaman. For the Vet min, who gives a ****. Low Risk, High Reward (you never know what can happen). Unless we need the roster spot for a Granger/Clark, I would take Kaman.

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I hope the 3 spots get filled with Davis, Granger, and Kaman. This team would look great.

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I would have thought one spot will be left open for flexabilty in case of injury? no.

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Probably, and I'm not sure about the level of desire Kaman would have in coming here. Not like he's be getting any significant role

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fray_27
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Apparently since the Chinese league is coming to an end the clippers are interested in Lester Hudson. Don't know too much about him.

Any good defensively offensively??

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Googling Lester Hudson --- he is a point guard, shooting guard, but he has bounced around since being drafted, not really sticking to an NBA team long-term. He's only 29 years old, though. Perhaps Doc and our front office sees something that will fit the Clips? But then again, do we need another guard?

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Has Green healed up yet maybe another test run starting? Don't see the point of why Doc is looking outside for a guard unless the player has high defensive skill. He could place holder Green or Bullock.

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I would like to think were looking for a wing player a big or waiting for some other buyout.

Because if doc is waiting for a guard might as well go for Ben Gordon.

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Ben Gordon is shooting 28% from the three point line. The Clippers should pass on him.

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I'm loving these two pick ups! We got my #2 and #4 on my top targets list. I think our roster is set and ready for a deep playoff push! Doc is GM of the year in my opinion.

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I agree, this roster is certainly capable of that. However, I am a bit worried about 3-point shooting. JJ Redick is our only truly reliable 3-point shooter in my opinion (though you could argue Jamal Crawford as well). I feel solid about our team without Redick, but I feel FANTASTIC with him healthy and back in the starting lineup. Let's hope he recovers in time, or that Granger fills the void by playing MUCH better than he has so far this season.

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