Clippers @ Thunder Game Thread 2014-02-23 (P. 13)

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CapsNClips
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Can't wait. This past week all I've been thinking about is The King in Yellow and god damn Clipper trades.

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Not the point. Houston and the Clips play inside-out, so it's to be expected. OKC get more than their fair share considering their shot attempts come mostly from outside players... and they don't get intentionally fouled.

tense2
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Whatever. We do get to the line more then enough. The reason they don't get intentionally fouled a lot is because their a great FT shooting team.

Our real issues have been our defense, 3 PT shooting and making FT's.

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So glad we won!

Icecoldclipper
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Great win team needs more wins against good teams to balance out some of the lack luster losses. Dudley needs to be shut down already and Doc needs to mix and match to give better scoring.

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Disagree completely. We shoot 3's better than our opponents and even though we could be much better at the line, if we made more FT's our guys wouldn't get intentionally fouled and we wouldn't be top-2 in FTA's, so that negates your whole argument about us getting favored by the refs.

OKC had 12 more FGA's today, Grizzlies had 7 more on Friday. We are top-7 in FG% on both ends. FGA's even = Clippers win. Simple as that.

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Offensive rebounds aren't new possessions per say, more like an extended possession. Also we have to take into account that if we shoot more FT's, we aren't getting a FGA recorded, so more FGA for the opponents doesn't always mean they are getting more scoring attempts because ours might have ended in FT's. Of course it might be a little simplistic since we might not shoot better from three against our high level opponents. Remember those numbers are basically against the average opponent.

Tense is correct though, defense, shooting better from 3PT and FT shooting are needed, and you're correct that better defensive rebounding which could be tied in to defense is needed. Just shooting better from 3PT range than the average opponent isn't good enough because then against a better 3PT defense, we probably shoot worse, and a better 3PT shooting team over a couple of games would shoot worse than their average against us, but they might not dip down to what we hold the average team to.

If our opponent goes from 37% average to 35% we defended them better than most, but that's still higher than our average, and if they defend the three well also and hold us to below our average and to something like 33% 3PT shooting over a couple of games, we are now disadvantaged there. Injuries have played a part in the shooting as well as some of our chuckers, so I have faith that it will he better.

tense2
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We are ranked 26th (34.3) in 3PT shooting not as "good" as last year (35.5). We are ranked 25th in FT%.

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Love them both but I think WD is my favorite show on TV (see my siggy)

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But 72% FT's = 1.4 points per possession that we're fouled (at least on shot attempts or in the bonus). And we're top of the league in 3pt defense, so although we may be weak at shooting it, "3 for 2" isn't what's hurting us. Giving up more FGA's to even a mediocre FG% team will kill you every time because it puts more pressure on a scrambling defense.

JJ coming back will see our 3pt% increase, because he is the first option for that shot. Our rebounding numbers look middle of the road because we make teams miss their first shot... a lot... but if we keep giving up offensive boards it's all for naught. If we can make teams one-and-done, we can't be stopped.

ClippersDA
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Everyone should watch banshee. But yes this was an incredible win

ClipsGForce
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I think we score the same amount of three as Thunder if I'm wrong.

tense2
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The faster pace you play the more FGA's per game you're going to give up...usually. We are ranked 22nd in FGA's per game (84.6), OKC 18th (83.7). We are ranked 16th in opponent FGM per game at 37.6 while OKC is ranked 8th at 36.2. Clippers 8th in pace, OKC 11th. Pace.

In FTA's per FGA's per game we are ranked 2nd (0.367), OKC 10th (0.295). In team FT's attempted per offense play again we are ranked 2nd at 27.3%, OKC (22.0%) ranked 11th (down from last years 24.5%). So I maintain we are at the FT line a lot but don't do well at making them. Getting in the top 15 (+76%) would be great. Maybe next year.

CapsNClips
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There's a difference between Griffin going to the line 10 times a game and Durant going to the line 10 times a game. The difference is Griffin probably gets fouled 8 times a night with some no calls, Durant probably actually gets fouled twice a night.

Not all fouls are treated equally.

And that's also why LeBron will always be a better basketball player than KD. His game doesn't rely heavily on a man/women in a stripped shirt blowing air through a metal toy.

tense2
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That's the luxury of being a superstar and Blake is now beginning to see that come to his game. He's been at the FT line more then Durant lately and that should continue in the future. Now when Blake can shooting a +75%, look out. In splits, click on last 2 or 4 weeks.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player- ... -attempted

Icecoldclipper
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Last season was crazy I hated the cheating wife. lol

ClippersDA
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Best show ever.

kjavis
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Wow didn't even realise how early this game was, can't wait to watch it after work

ClippersDA
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Is it just me or does it seem like the last couple of games (but more today)blake hasn't faced up as much? He seems to try to back down collison a lot and I just think he should have trend around and faced the basket.

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It's not just you, but he faceed up quite a bit in this game, OKC just did a good Job of Doubling him once he entered the Paint, but with all that said if you look at his numbers tonight He still was super effective, not his normal effectiveness, but 20 pts on 16 shots 6-15, not to mention 6at. Like if that's a bad game then I'll take it. But It did seem like he's starting to go away from facing up.

CapsNClips
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Did Blake get his elbow drained? It seemed smaller today. Last time he got it drained he had a couple of bad games instantly after he did it.

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JCrossover saved us today. What a game! We don't even need JJ when Crawford is on fire like today.

tense2
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Problem is he's not always on fire....sometimes just cold water comes out. Razz

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

The headline:

OKC ARE AMAZING... KD SCORES 42!

Clippers outscore them by 8

ClipperPostman
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I have to challenge you here. When is the last time Jcross had a bad game.

He is averaging around 24ppg over the last 20+ games and

since coming out of his slum has had 3 30+ games.

He had a slump earlier in the season where he could hit the side of a barn,

but since he has been balling consistently.

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It's not the amount of FGA's we're giving up, per se... it's the ratio to how many we're getting. The FTA/FGA ratio we're getting is relevant, for sure, and yes we should be making more FT's... but I still maintain that 1.4 points on those plays we get fouled is sufficient IF we can maintain our defensive FG% and keep our FGA's even with our opponents.

That would be helped by cleaning our own glass (and limiting TO's, which we're pretty good at) more than any other factor.

tense2
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Ok, no use beating a dead horse mate...we're both correct in our own way. Very Happy

tense2
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His last 9 games he's been very good. His shooting % before that was below average. He's wasn't very efficient in Dec/Jan.

http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=2037

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That's not really been the case as a Starter, possibly because he's not "THE" Focus of the defense. Because he's not coming off the bench he can actually exploit allot of bad match-ups, witch he can't do coming off the Bench, because the best defender is always on him and then some, because.... lets face it who else do they really need to guard.

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OKC didn't get help by the Refs?

"Paul was tripped" No Call.

"Blake was fouled maybe four times" No Call.

"Crawford got fouled" on a three point miss. No Call.

" I guess the Refs had a better angle than we did" no call.

This it the announcers.

tense2
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See my link above for starter/reserve splits.

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The good thing is we beat them in Oklahoma.

cleepers
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I would have loved to hear Ralph call this game.

Tirico and Hubie know who butters their bread... and you're right, they STILL dared to question.

But spiderboy was playing... don't you just want to suck his c*ck every time he flails in the paint!

ClipperPostman
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Actually he had a very Good Jan.

HIs only bad month was Dec. Which was his slump month.

over 40% from the field is good considering his minutes and FGA had to go

up because of injury. But his scoring went up to 20 ppg

He had a great nov. BAd Dec, Good Jan, and Great Feb.

Also look in Jan. where he doubled his Assist totals. Can't JUST

look at FG% to determine whether someone is playing well.

So to say he was only good the last 9 games is ridiculous.

Truthfully he has been the most consistent "Good" player

outside of blake.

Outside of a slum in Dec. Every month has been Well above average.

tense2
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Guess it's how you define very good and good. In his career he's been a below average shooter for his position no matter how many minutes he's played and that's a statistical fact. He puts up above average FGA's too to get those points. Again he's never been known for his efficiently.

Anyway he's been doing a "very good" job the last 9 games. Here's hoping he stay's that "good" into the PO's.

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I see, I'm not really a stat guy, Not that I don't know them, I just don't live by them. I'm an Eye test guy, and my eye tell's me allot of those stats don't tell weather or not a guy got fouled on the shot and if it wasn't called, nor can it tell you weather the shot clock was running down, or if you took a half court shot to end the Half. Stats don't take everything to account, so I don't really live or care for them.

I know Jamal is a top 25 scorer in the NBA right now, and he wasn't coming into the new year, and that's only on 15 shots. Plus FG% is a great stat but it's not always the best way to tell how effective a player is on Offense, seeing as you can't add FT attempts and FT% to your FG %, if that were a case then Durrant's FG% +FT% vs LBJ's would be something to look into.

tense2
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Their not mutually exclusive to one or the other, stats and game watching, But what ever suits your mind set...to each his own.

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I think they are, watching the game you would have thought we were out rebounded, especially at the Offensive end. But looking at the game Stats we out rebounded them by 7 and grabbed the same amount of offensive rebounds and we went to the FT line 39 times opposed to their 24, but watching the game you wouldn't have thought that. You can't tell how well a player or team played or did in a particular category by looking at the Stat sheet not most of the time.

tense2
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That's not true. Some of the better advanced stat sites can and do show how well a team or player is preforming particular category's while continuing to improve their models when new and better data comes about. The information coming out about individual players and team play is getting better and better in the last few years and it's only going to get even more detailed in the years to come.

Anyway, as I've said in the past when this eye vs stats discussion comes about...stay with what makes you feel comfortable.

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I was supposed to finish with "WIN". Was so pumped that i didn't finish the sentence.

calipublicist
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Does anyone know if Davis will be available for tomorrow's game against the Pelicans?

CP3Heliflopter
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Really unlikely. Maybe against the Rockets.

calipublicist
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Are they still going to bring in Ivan Johnson or is that a done deal after they signed Davis?

ClippersDA
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Every time the clippers are brought up on first take, they always end up talking about the spurs.

Why is espn so biased against is? Yes Westbrook wasn't healthy, but we didn't have redick and Paul is nowhere near full strength.

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