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toohipcliptoslip
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Hey guys, great game. I'm a GSW fan but I'm here for a bit of a discussion. Here's why I believe that GSW is a better team. You won but we played hard (Last year at Memphis is meaningless) If you watch videos you'll see that Bogut gave DJ trouble (not gave him fits). While a matter of opinion (as it is) I think Steph is a better player than BG and here's why. His stats are --- and --- and, BG's are ---and---. You will have to admit that we have won the series against you (Not we....

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So are you trying to find investors to get this endeavour off the ground? If so, you need to tell us what the buy in is and how we would share profits share because dude,we could possibly make enough money to buy a section at Staples for all of us to sit in as STH's along with a healthy check for all of us.

We crash every teams bulletin boards right after a game, especially one we win, and we could seriously cash in. If this is the year we go to the Finals we could all become millionaires.

wessleejr
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With GSW fans crying in this thread, I expect this thread to reach 100 pages, thank you GSW fans.

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

bk201
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So your saying that because DJ had problems dealing with both Bogut and Lee that you felt that you win this game? but griffin put 30 points and 15 rebounds dominating all of your front-court guys which you all are so proud of. Dj isn't our star BG is!! and you failed to contain him.

toohipcliptoslip
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Bro'

I bleed Red and White. Here was my point. It's OK to post your opinion on somebody else's board as long as you have class. That was an example of how to voice your opinion on somebody else's board without being a troll. I don't think anybody would have problems with the way I worded it. I was paraphrasing what some dude who lives under a bridge said but putting them is a polite respectful way. If things are done this way we all have good fun. What I said was not my opinion. If you had read the whole post you would have figured it out. Look at the number of posts I have. Does that look like a GSW fan?

Your response to my polite pseudo post with the "!!"'s and the "which you are so proud of" and the anger makes my point.

"Is it your opinion that because DJ had problems dealing with Bogut and Lee you would have won the game? I disagree. Remember BG put in 30 points and 15 rebounds and dominated your front court. DJ isn't our star, BG is and you couldn't contain him". Something like that would have been a polite reply to a polite post.

If someone respects you give respect. if they fail to respect you urinate in their shoe while they're not watching or have your dog hump his leg as my Dear Departed Dog loved to do. Hell hump his leg yourself.

bk201
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I see.. i got your point.... Never been a fun of sarcasm...

Wgreen
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Yea Blake was doing great but the score was very close. Warriors are the better defensive team, top 3 in the NBA in defensive field goal percentage. You don't have guys like Bogut and Iguodala. You guys have won a bit more, but I'd say Warriors have a higher ceiling. They have the best starting 5 in the league, 4 players invited to the olympic tryout, no other team has 3. The Warriors starting 5 averaged more than 17 points per 100 possessions than their opponents, that's the best in the NBA. So GSW's starting 5 is better offensively and defensively. Nearly beat you 3 in a row this year, took 3 out of 4 last year.

Wgreen
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Lee outplayed Griffin. Griffin was inefficient, 13-28, while Lee was 10-15. Lee made nearly as many field goals while taking half as many shots. That's pretty impressive, Lee had the more impressive game. So GSW contained him very well and turned him into a volume shooter.

Thompson was 10-19 with 26, so I'd say he had a better shooting game than Griffin as well.

itsLuigi
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you make it seem like the warriors are way better on defense than the clippers when they're not. we're right behind you in defensive field goal percentage .433 to .443 3rd and 5th place. that is not a big difference. you also forget that the clippers are the best team at defending the 3pt.

and to say the warriors have a higher ceiling is crazy. the clippers have the best power forward and point guard in the nba while having a top 3 coach.

pageC4
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You don't get the leagues best record by having the best defense. You get the leagues best record by being well rounded, and that means having a good offense and defense. As for having a higher ceiling that is irrelevant because no one can predict how far one team can go all we can do is base off of where teams are at now, and in that regard the Clippers 3rd place is much better than the Warriors 6th place. As for having the best starting five in the league I would have to say that perhaps Miami and OKC would disagree with you there bucko. Also, you claimed that your staring 5 are better both offensively and defensively too bad that doesn't equate to a better record. The team plays as a unit and its success depends on all players not just the starting 5. If your starting 5 argument was the valid criteria to be the best team then you would be 1st, but you're not. Also, nearly beating us 3 in a row is a funny assertion, the record remains 2-2, so nearly beating us 3 in a row has no ground whatsoever. Yes, you did take 3/4 last year, but funny how that doesn't help you in the standing now does it. You guys are in 6th place in the west, and 2nd in the pacific division. Your criteria to attempt to prove GSW is better than Clippers is wrong on every level.

OregonLAC
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A higher ceiling? How do you figure? Unless you think having a higher ceiling means having a streaker team, you're totally wrong. The Warriors don't have much depth and can go on really cold streaks. Jackson is awful with his rotations and Curry, as good as he is, is injury prone. Without Curry you guys are a completely different team and can't adapt. The Clippers already showed that they could adapt with CP3.

Higher ceiling? Get the eff out of here

cleepers
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Can't argue with the troll, guys.

I checked the records and they say that the Duds "nearly" won the division last year and that they are "nearly" winning it this year. Currently, they are "nearly" in 5th place in the West. Stephen Curry "nearly" shows up in 4th quarters and Mark Jackson is "nearly" an NBA head coach.

Just like Oakland is "nearly" San Francisco.

clipnasty
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Guys, a simple "scoreboard" or "standings" should suffice. End of conversation, we can talk when the season is over.

ClippersDA
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Warriors fans seem to think their starters were killing ours...i didn't see that, the biggest lead they had if I recall was six points. That's not killing anybody

CP3Heliflopter
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If that were true most of our starters wouldn't have a positive +/-.. Warriors just lucky that we were missing Redick and Crawford.

Wgreen
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OregonLAC wrote:
A higher ceiling? How do you figure? Unless you think having a higher ceiling means having a streaker team, you're totally wrong. The Warriors don't have much depth and can go on really cold streaks. Jackson is awful with his rotations and Curry, as good as he is, is injury prone. Without Curry you guys are a completely different team and can't adapt. The Clippers already showed that they could adapt with CP3.

Higher ceiling? Get the eff out of here

Warriors have depth. Our subs didn't do that well against LAC. The Warriors subs have been very good ever since they got Steve Blake. Crawford moved to scoring guard. O'neal has been very good for us as well. Blake improved the whole bench, and the Warriors subs were outscoring the other teams subs pretty much most games since his arrival. Green is also a solid defender and Barnes can only get better.

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Also, you claimed that your staring 5 are better both offensively and defensively too bad that doesn't equate to a better record. The team plays as a unit and its success depends on all players not just the starting 5. If your starting 5 argument was the valid criteria to be the best team then you would be 1st, but you're not. Also, nearly beating us 3 in a row is a funny assertion, the record remains 2-2, so nearly beating us 3 in a row has no ground whatsoever. Yes, you did take 3/4 last year, but funny how that doesn't help you in the standing now does it. You guys are in 6th place in the west, and 2nd in the pacific division. Your criteria to attempt to prove GSW is better than Clippers is wrong on every level.

Warriors didn't have Blake and Crawford all year. The Warriors have like 3rd best record since all star break since they got Blake and they will improve with him. Yes beating you 3 out of 4 didn't help us in the standings as far as getting 4th seed, we did beat Denver and you guys got beat by Memphis, so it worked out for us in that first round, and didn't work out for LAC. So yes standings wise that was the ideal spot to get.

Wgreen
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BG shot 13 for 28 though, Lee shot 10-15. So Lee had a better game.

Wgreen
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The Warriors starters outscored the Clippers starters. Redick might be out the whole year and Crawford can sometimes shoot you out of games, so it could have been a blessing in disguise for you. Crawford used to be a Warrior and they just are better without him.

Wgreen
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Well Stephen Curry averages the most points in the NBA in the 4th quarter. Even if we didn't win the division, don't forget we advanced in the playoffs and you got beaten down by a Memphis team that was better than you. I agree that Mark Jackson could do a better job though.

Wgreen
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1 percent makes a big difference though. It's still a difference. I'd say Curry is the best point guard. Paul is a more natural point guard but cannot score like Curry. Curry has had more post season success than him in terms of winning. But Griffin is definitely not the best power forward. Like I said lee actually does very well against him, out played him last game going 10-15, while Griffin was 13 of 28, became a volume shooter. Love and Aldridge are better than BG at the power forward. Griffin has been a little bit hotter lately though. The reason LA is better is because he can play defense as well as offense.

wessleejr
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You can outscore all the starter in any nba team but there is bench who sometimes better than any starter, last time i watch the game we beat the warriors.

ClippersDA
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I can't believe I am wasting my time responding to this but here it goes: curry is a shooting guard who plays point guard. You can't compare him to cp3 and you will find few if anyone who would rank curry above him. To say Lamarcus Aldridge is better than blake is absurd, he shoots a Lower field goal percentage and does not carry his team the way blake has this year. Also, if you asked the warriors do you want lee or griffin, they would straight up take griffin. No one would take lee. Let's just get that out of the way. Facts are facts. Also, the warriors offense is totally lame. Talk about a one trick pony, but i blame the preacher for that.

JQuick32
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No, they're not.

Somebody please ban this troll already, his schtick has really gotten old.

JahvonTheClip
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He's obviously trolling, my rule is if a player doesn't think they're better than someone then neither should their fans. Steph knows Chris is a better player than him right now...

CapsNClips
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This little kid is hilarious. Don't ban him, just use him as an example for parents that let their children have access to Internet before they hit puberty.

I'm sure your parents are wishing they would've hit Control+Alt+Delete while you were in the womb.

JahvonTheClip
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Ouch Shocked

wessleejr
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Please no he is our TOY here, without him we can't play. Smile

ClippersDA
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Not to mention curry was a giant dud at all star game as was Aldridge and love to an extent. I doubt he starts next year

CapsNClips
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He'll also have some stiff competition for the reserve spots. Dame, Westbrook, Parker and Bledsoe will put up a good fight.

cleepers
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Actually, no he doesn't.

  1. Kevin Durant: 7.8pts, 45.5% FG's.

  2. James Harden: 6.9pts, 50.0% FG's.

  3. Jamal Crawford: 6.7pts, 49.8% FG's.

  4. LeBron James: 6.6pts, 54.2% FG's.

  5. Stephen Curry: 6.5pts 47.4% FG's.

I guess that's just another one of those "I think" statements that you're so fond of. Jamal Crawford scores more in the 4th quarter and on fewer FGA's than your boy. Fact.

Kingkanyon
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LOL, go Look At Jamal's averages on the Year compared to Klay's. Man WGreen if your going to say something do what I do and go look up the numbers and see if what you think is true, Otherwise you should probably be on hush mode. Very Happy

Wgreen
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Well he's still top 5. He was top 1 at one point, but anyways my point is that it's false to say Curry ''almost'' shows up in the 4th. That was all I was trying to say. I'm impressed Crawford has more in the 4th, but any team would rather have Curry, so whatever.

Wgreen
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Curry is the top guard in the NBA, he started the All Star game. It's a close one though but many would take Curry. Paul could never dream of shooting like Curry, but Curry is still one of the top assists producers, so there is nothing that Paul clearly does better than Curry.

Wgreen
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They will put up a good fight but chances are that Curry will start over them.

Wgreen
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That's why Curry is amazing. He can pass like CP3 and that's not even his specialty. Paul could never dream of shooting like Curry, but Curry is still one of the top assists producers. But how is saying LA is better than Griffin absurd? That's completely biased if you think it's absurd. LaMarcus Aldridge is the much better defender, much more length, and I'm sure most teams would rather have him than Griffin.

CapsNClips
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Hahahaha you do realize everybody on here is laughing at your dumb statements, you do know that right?

There is one thing that Curry dominates CP at, Paul could never dream of turning it over 4 times a game like Curry. That's almost a 2-to-1 Ast/Turnover ratio.

Get the f*ck out of here.

Wgreen
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Yea he does turn it over a bit much, but that's because he's double teamed a lot.

CapsNClips
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Oh of course, how could I forget that Steph Curry is the only player in the NBA that gets double teamed a lot.

That's obviously foreign territory for Chris Paul.

Holy sh*t you are so dumb, I feel like it is a hate crime to even make fun of you.

Also, "a bit much" is not a term reserved for league leaders in turning it over. Try "more than anybody else" that works better.

tense2
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Chris Paul is the better all-round PG. Period. Curry is the better shooter without question from the 3 and with a slightly better FT%. In their careers though, Paul has a higher FG%. Paul is the slightly better rebounder with a better TOV% and STL's. PER and WS/WP numbers it's all Paul.

Nice try though.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2014

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2014 Career numbers

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/co ... eason=2013

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I like Curry a lot...nice player, but there's more to being the best PG then just the Wow points.

Wgreen
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I see what you mean, but Curry has improved a lot, and I think he can improve even more.

Wgreen
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No you don't understand, sometimes they will throw 2 or 3 bodies at him and trap him. He requires a lot of attention because they don't want him to go nuts from the 3.

tense2
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He can, but still has a ways to go to unseat the future HOF'r PG.

Oh and Paul gets double teamed a lot. Sometimes, even like Curry, tripled teamed. wink

Kingkanyon
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Uhh basket ball is played on both ends of the Floor and until Curry Starts making ALL NBA Defense then can you "Stop It" with this. By the why When Clippers play the Warriors Chris Paul was on Steph the whole game until the 2nd half in witch he decided to guard Klay Thompson, both guys did nothing while CP3 was on them.

Wgreen
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But isn't that just when he's hot?

Wgreen
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Oh yea. Curry was hurt though, his quad. I'm not trying to make an excuse, but he seems to be affected when he's not feeling well. Thompson did well, 26 points. But Mark Jackson did say Curry was an elite defender.

Kingkanyon
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NO Mark Jackson Said Klay was an Elite Defender. As for Curry well, CP3 had a Strained Groin so what's your point. He had one great game vs the Clippers all year and the rest were Meh.

tense2
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Same with Curry.

CapsNClips
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LOL once again, he's not the only player that gets triple teamed. Actually we have 2 players on our team that get triple teamed.

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Be careful now. Logically responding to and debating the guy, that's fine, but if you keep up with the insults I will be forced to start dealing out official warnings for your personal attacks.

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Lol, so now you are claiming because you didn't have Blake and Crawford all year you would have been better. It's funny how you use the absence of some of your players as an excuse to make yours better, so by your logic then we should be given the same courtesy because Redick, Paul, Crawford, Bullock, and Dudley have been out for quite some time. In any debate you have to have rules, and again if you are using the injury excuse then also account for ours. Also, you stated that you have the 3rd best record since all star break and that you improved since the acquisition of Blake, well guess what so have we since our acquisitions. In fact, we are 9-1 in our last 10 games, while you are 7-3. Also, we have an 8 game win streak. As for playoff seedings and results from last year they have no bearing on this year, which means that just because you upset the 3 seed last year it won't exactly happen again just because you did it once. Also, our loss in the first round isn't guaranteed to happen again. Again, you keep reaching for reasons why you think the Warriors are better, but in any way that you look at it you keep getting owned.

LAC=3rd in the west>GSW=6th Place in the West

LAC=1st in Pacific>GSW=2nd in Pacific

LAC Last 10 games: 9-1>GSW last 10 games: 7-3

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