13-14 DeAndre Jordan vs. 05-06 Chris Kaman

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jarca
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Which one do you guys prefer?

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tense2
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DJ.

With a link too. Very Happy

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If we had the 13-14 DJ in 05-06 he would have been a super allstar

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Kaman only played around 50 games that season...

Edit: thought we were talking about his stellar defensive season, still definitely DJ.

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Yea but that's the only playoff team kaman played for and consistent throughout the season. In kaman all star year, he faded after the break

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05-06 kaman was an offensive beast in the first half of that season.

If I remember correctly he was averaging like 17-11. But in all honesty

Kaman's defensive was subpar. I'd def take DJ as we don't need

Kaman slowing the game down with his back to the basket.

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Yup kaman was beating then he got better in his mid range when brand was hurt.

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DJ because he really pounds the glass and doesn't go out for half a year with a bad foot. But Caveman was a way better outside and FT shooter by far but was just to injury prone ( that planter fasci-whatever it is called and his back).

tense2
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Yep, plus he was a TO machine. That's why he's affectionally known as "Mr. Net Zero", LOL.

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Just goes to show how much DJ has surpassed kaman. 2 years ago this topic would have been 50/50

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I never liked Kaman, I don't think he has a championship attitude. He's very "whatever" on most things. At the beginning of the season he was so gung-ho on being a Laker, and then mid-season when it was reported he could be traded he was all "I don't care". I think DJ's tenacity is comparable to KG... That's part of what Doc's seen in him as well. I'd take DJ all day long.

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DJ. Kaveman was silly putty in the paint on defense that is.

calipublicist
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Oh and DJ's hairstyles are way more fun!

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you and i can never be friends

calipublicist
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you and i can never be friendsLOL I'm not saying he's a sub par player, I just think if his attitude was adjusted a bit and at least appeared to be more loyal he'd be a favorite of mine. I just hate the "I don't care" attitude.

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I'm pretty sure if DJ had the same amount of touches in the paint ( not allyoops), he'd be far worse than kaman. DJ is just too slow to react to bounce and simple passes. I guess it's addition by subtraction. Meaning, it pays to know less on offense...At least for DJ and his stats.

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You just described DJ up until a few months ago. DJ came out of college as a guy with bad work ethic. I just heard that DJ wasn't willing to put in the work with Lucas when he was here. It wasn't until DJ thought he was going to be a Celtic that he changed his attitude. Fear pushed him and his laziness.

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Kaman actually contests and blocks shots on players driving the paint. DJ just watches them dunk. Unless it's a weak side block, DJ don't play that. I have never seen DJ block a shot on a guy trying to dunk on him. Go on YOutube and see how many great players Kaman has blocked on a potential dunk. Hell, he has one on BG.

calipublicist
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I think DJ's attitude turned a bit when BG came to town. He seemed engaged then.

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I remember when VDN's plan was for DJ and Kaman to share starting minutes, Kaman wanted no parts of it. Said it publicly in the media. Great team player.

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The title of this thread should read DJ vs 07/08 or 09/10 Chris Kaman. Both were much better years than 05/06. 09/10 is arguably his best year and that was his all-star year (chosen by coaches not fans). 05/06 he was still in Brand's shadow. Once he took out his Achilles in a 1-on-1 game, he became the man. Don't get me wrong, he was good in 05/06 surrounded by the best team he has ever played on but not his best personal year.

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To be honest he is having another career year per36 this year with the purple and piss. Ironically he is glued to the pine. Go figure. Tank mode at it's best or D'antoni is really dumb.

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DJ actually blocked Paul Millsap's shot in crunch time against the Hawks to help us get the W. DJ is improving but his man-on-man D still needs a lot of work.

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Dj should be a great defender needs to spend his summer working on free throws (getting better) and studying game tape. Needs to be a student of the game and work on defense.

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You're just not a DJ guy no matter how much he continues to improve. And he has improved. Oh well.

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Kaman is certainly the better shooter, but as always, he turns it over too much.

In terms of the better Kaman scoring wise; if I needed someone to score on a bad team because I have no scorers, I'd take him, which isn't necessarily a good thing, just means he's better at creating shots, but not really to the purpose of winning games. Similar to Evan Turner on Philly this season for example in comparison to like prime Battier or something. If I needed a rebound / defense C I'd take DJ. Just seems like Kaman never really settled back into being able to play a role where he doesn't take a lot of shots or use a lot of possessions, and he doesn't make enough of his shots when he's taking a lot and turns it over too much where he starts hurting you on offense/

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You know with Doc if Kaman would of came back he could of been something like a title contender Odom for us. He wouldn't bring the ball up (or rather shouldn't if he did) but put him with our second unit and have him create on the block with shooters and cutting to the rim after some bad T.O. games adjusting he could flourish.

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I'm not a fan of his, correct. But, I have praised his improvement on rebounding and to a lesser extent, FT shooting. Being the best rebounder is a brilliant feat but his overall defensive game hasn't changed. His inability to catch a simple...SIMPLE pass has not improved. His inability to defend down low has not improved. So yes, I have complimented DJ on his improvement on rebounding but lets not get things twisted, that has been basically his only major improvement. Lets talk when he's grown his game a bit more.

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By the same token, DJ wouldn't even be the rebounder he is on a bad team or even on a playoff team based on his previous seasons' stats. Notice I never mentioned defense. Kaman's mistake was expanding and relying on his perimeter game too much when we lost Brand. Obviously, offensive centers with a lot of touches tend to TO the ball more than any other position. The year Kaman was voted in the AS game, he was second in TO's while Howard was number one. You tend to get stripped more often in the paint, especially when you're blinded by guards waiting to strip the ball.

Kaman has the more balanced game to this day while DJ, IMO, has done one thing great...After 5 seasons playing the game.

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The post man defense has improved simply by not junmping as much on fakes and timing shots. His man to man block defense has improved as he showed glimpse last year and has made key crunch time blocks and kept plays alive.

His attention to his man while off the ball is still pretty weak. I understand scanning the floor trying to cover a drive but you have to keep your man at arm distance until a move it made.

Never got the pass argument because he will catch anything near or above the rim. He has received on occasions passes into the post for a quick move(there is a lack of handles sure) or cut pass. If the passes thing is a chest pass under the rim with a defender near or possibly coming to close he does struggle. At this point though if DJ is open I would never go low or level pass because you can tell he fumbles the ball always expecting a high pass.

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DeAndre Jordan for sure over whatever year Kaman. I liked Chris Kaman, but he was (and still is) too turnover prone, and injury prone. DJ has a much lower turnover rate, and has been an iron man of sorts. The ability to stay healthy, lead the NBA in rebounding, top 3 in blocks, #1 in FG %, with improved free throw shooting- you're talking about an elite center right there. And one who can still get better.

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One of the biggest knocks on Howard as offensive player is that turns the ball over too much, that and he's not a very good passer; Howard is a better defensive player than offensive player. Guys like Duncan, Al Jefferson and Pekovic don't really turn the ball over much. Centers do turn the ball over a little more than other positions, but Kaman has always been bad at it even compared to other centers.

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