Clippers Poised For Playoffs (P. 2)

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Laak
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Some observations -- Regarding the Spurs. Any good NBA team can win tons of regular season games playing at 100%. Most good teams save a little extra for the playoffs; call it that sixth gear. It is probable that Pops has his band of unknowns and a couple of veterans playing at 100% and they lack that extra gear come playoff time, If I am right, they will lose. The Clippers (I still shy away from "we" as I am a latecomer -- or "baandwagoner" if you will) have the best Big Three in the League. Period. Most other Big Three's or....

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BaadMaster
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Is there really a "huge" gap offensively? Howard is no offensive machine; neither is DeAndre. If there is a gap, it is very slight and who has the edge is debatable. If you include free throw shooting into the "offense" category, the best either can do is get to the "I make 'em when they count" stage. I have not been following D12, but Jordan is making strides in that direction.

The reason the playoffs are so mesmerizing is that all these questions will be answered.

BEAT THE HEAT!!!

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I much rather have DJ than Dwight simply because he has a much better contract. Dwight puts up a lot of points but his impact offensively doesn't amount to much. Offensively he is best used as a garbage man and pick and roll guy like DJ to be honest. Yes he has a post game but it is awful. He is a mediocre passer at best too which makes him turnover prone. He is also shut down way too frequently offensively. He is reduced to garbage against the Thunder. DJ always holds his own against him. For christ sakes I saw Bargnani shut him down. In fact, his adjusted +/- is actually negative on the offensive end. Most likely because the Rockets try to give him the ball in the post even though he is a mediocre post player at best. This kills ball movement and often leads to a TO since he is an inept passer in the post.

Lets look at the advantages and disadvantages.

DJ:

Plays more minutes.

Plays more games.

Better rebounder.

Is paid less.

Howard:

Better defensive anchor.

Scores more(but does this actually lead to tangible improvements in the Rockets offense?). Answer: Doesn't noticeably improve the Rockets offense(might actually be a detriment in some ways).

I much rather have a guy who plays in the flow of the offense and Dwight is not a good option as a post threat. He is only useful in the post if there is a mismatch.

Overall, I think Dwight is better for sure but its not like the gap is super huge. Dwight is nowhere near as good as he was in Orlando. Not only has he regressed A LOT in terms of his athleticism but skillwise he has gotten even worse. He used to have a somewhat decent post game but somehow his level of skill decreased and that is not a good thing considering his declining athleticism and injuries. Orlando Dwight blows DJ out of the water but Rockets Dwight is a shell of his former self.

Laak
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Dwight shoots 10% better from FT and definitely has a better post up game (even though it still needs a lot of work). I'm only comparing their individual skills, where it only matters if they're the star player on their team.

There's little gap if you're just comparing them based on the contributions they're making on their current team, since both players get very less opportunity offensively. Both Rockets and Clips have at least 2 or more better options before going to these centers.

ClipperKyle32
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Great Convo Here Guys! DJ vs Dwight? A topic that was discussed this offseason because Dwight was rumored to come here. Right now its no question I would rather have DJ. Why!? Youth Durability as far as....

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Agent0
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The Rockets have Harden, but I'm trying to figure out who the second guy is, Parsons?

I know people like to hate on Dwight, but Parsons averages 16.3 PPG (15.6 pts/36), not really seeing how he's an option before Dwight. DJ is the 5th option on the floor, Dwight is the second. Dwight averages 18.5 PPG (19.6 pts/36), similar to Paul's averages for the Rockets. Dwight is Houston's second leading scorer per minute, the next guys are Parsons at 15.6 pts/36 and Jones at 15.5 pts/36.

Yes, if we're adding contracts, durability, etc into the mix, I'm taking Jordan for THIS team, but that's different than saying in a playoff matchup vs Houston, the Clippers have an advantage because Jordan is now better than Howard, he just isn't. Howard has his faults, but he still gets to the line 9 times a game, and someone on the opposing team has to be committing those fouls. He's still an excellent rebounder, shot blocker and a very good defender. Yes, he's also still turnover prone, a weak passer and doesn't have great offensive awareness, and his post game has declined seemingly post-injury.

Dwight:

18.5 PPG / 12.3 RPG / 1.8 BPG / 3.3 TPG / 109 Ortg

Jordan:

10.4 PPG / 13.8 RPG / 2.4 BPG / 1.5 TPG / 122 Ortg

This team already has a go to big man option in Griffin, so the extra offense Dwight would bring just as a post-option just isn't necessary, but for Houston, they need that extra offense. Dwight is tasked to do a lot more offensively for Houston than DJ is for this team. Again, what is being contended is this:

"If we play D12, he is quite a big shorter than DeAndre. And simply not as good."

BaadMaster
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Yes...great conversation!!! Some more opinions:

Dwight is not a natural center size-wise, he used his "youthspeed" in Orlando to make up for this. Since he is not a hard worker (by all accounts), he is on the downside of his almost journeyman-like career. In the long run, I would take DeAndre ahead of Dwight any day of the week. But we are talking playoffs here, not long term prospects.

Forgetting contract considerations, I think that Jordan is better -- right now -- than Howard. As I said, DJ has more double-doubles, shoots a higher percentage, gets more rebounds and blocks more shots. There is no "altering shots" stats, but as a natural center, it appears DeAndre leads Dwight in this catergory too. And he seems not to be the ego headache "the great Dwight Howard" is. Plus, as a natural, true center, he has to work less to do more. Obviously, neither will be mistaken for JJ as a free throw shooter. I do think Dwight gets rattled more when he is at the charity stripe.

Where Dwight has the advantage -- should the two meet -- is Finals experience. Granted, he was eaten up by the Pau/Bynum duo. But Dwight does have that negative experience to draw from. Sometimes, knowing where you screwed up teaches you what you did wrong.

On balance, the classic Big Three of a true center, a textbook point guard and a monster power forward, bolstered by the arguable "sixth man of the year" in Jamaal Crawford, all led by a Champion level coach should be more than enough to win a title.

But herein lies my one fear: THE REFS. The Clips will have to be eight/ten points better than Miami if we meet in the Finals. The NBA wants that "threepeat" label on Mt. Rushmore. And they protect him more than Blake Griffin. (Why, I don't know. That Kia Slam Dunk should have been enough publicity for the NBA to protect BG.)

But if any team can do it, it is the Clippers.

BEAT THE HEAT!!!

realbull17
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I'm so excite. I'm going to game 2.

Clipperfn4lf
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Eyy let's make our building the loudest! Organize the chants! haha

Laak
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Rockets always run plays for their perimeter players (Harden, Parsons, Jones) first, if no good shots are available, they throw it down to Dwight.

I agree with taking DJ over Howard for the Clips though. Just a better fit.

prokreation
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A few weeks ago I was worried too. Especially in that 0-12 game.

But no worries, CP3's outside shot is back BIG TIME.

WE just need Jamal and Granger back.

Agent0
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Didn't the Heat just set a finals record for lowest FT attempts in a 7 game playoff series last season? If anyone is protected, it is Durant, it certainly isn't Lebron I'd be worried about when it comes to that. Lebron is protected about as much as Blake, and that means he isn't protected. They are big strong men and can supposedly take it, these guys get beat up a lot more than they are given calls.

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LeBron literally just got fouled with no call by Plumlee on a game-deciding play last night. If that was Durant, even if the block was totally clean, Plumlee would have been given an Artest-style suspension and the Nets would have been demoted to the D-League. Oh, and Durant would get to shoot ten free throws. roll

Seems to me that BaadMaster is a Kobe stan who's insecure about LeBron already surpassing his boy's overhyped coattail-riding "legacy" and has to belittle LeBron's accomplishments with a false ref excuse. It's a shame, since his posts are otherwise fine when he's not ranting about LeBron.

Clipperfn4lf
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If we get paired with GS they should pass out shirts that say "We Run Cali"... make it personal.

BaadMaster
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Let's look at the bigger picture.

Basketball, by virtue of its speed, cannot use replay as much as baseball and football can. Since elite playoff games are often decided by a point or two, refs can have a big influence over the outcome. In fact, just follow any game trail here and you get "refs screwed up that call" a lot. This might just be an inherent flaw in a game which speeds up every year.

As to LeBron, it just seems to me that he gets a lot of phantom calls. However, I don't watch that many regular season Heat games to back up my claim.

And CTB members are corrrect about Durant. Breathe on him and it is a foul. But I still stand by my assertion that if you had to give a "ref faves" order re. high NBA scorers, it would be LeBron, Durant and then Blake Griffin.

BTW You are right in one regard. I do not like LeBron. It has nothing to do with Kobe. I simply don't like him. Nothing more, nothing less.

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