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Yeah, but I bet you there's that one that you wonder how you ever got yourself into that situation. Just kidding!

I just don't think Vinny was ready for a contending team. I don't think Scott Brooks is either. That doesn't make them awful coaches, they are just not great ones either. I think if you put Pop, Doc, or Carlisle with OKC they would have had a championship. Erik Spoelstra has turned me around too, and I'm definitely not a Heat fan. I think Vogel and Thibs are great, and just need some help on the offensive side.

I just don't like that people want to insinuate that we are no better off with Doc than what we were with Vinny.

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What were those adjustments?

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this duh. Vinny is amazing.... we could not resign him because he is too good. that is why we settled for doc.

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The test of the PO's will determine how much better Doc is then Vinny. Until then, it's all a moot point or at best what you believe to be true.

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once blake wasn't 100 percent they went for the jugular and went all out on the paint. del negro was going small for some reason and they took advantage. gasol and randolph were practically unstoppable. i think the last game(game 6) they had +40 free throw attempts. that shouldn't be happening in any game.

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As of right now, we aren't.

The organization let Vinny go because expectations were that we should be in the WCF at least. There's no doubt that the players, fans and media alike are all impressed with Doc's reputation and past credentials... I am too. But until we actually GET to the conference finals, it's all just talk.

I just don't like that if Blake is still not 100% in the playoffs, posters here will use it as an excuse for Doc's shortcomings... even though Vinny wasn't excused when Blake and others were banged up for the last 2 postseasons. If we don't make it out of the second (or even first) round, we'll hear the "new coach, new system" excuse... even though Vinny had a brand new team and NO training camp in the lockout year.

Doc is supposed to be a massive upgrade - especially in the playoffs. Now, we're about to find out. No excuses. Otherwise, these Vinny-haters are just hypocrites.

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Agree great comment!

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Vinny was the problem that's why he wasn't sign back.

Money wasn't the issue.

BG and CP weren't really screaming at the FO to resign Vinny

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Doc is a top three coach. Vinny is a borderline nba coach. This should not even have a thread on this

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Last year's team is deeper than this team.

Ebled is better than Collison

Butler better than Dudley

Equal at the 2spots

Odom better than big baby.

And we had the easiest path to the WCF with Westbrook being hurt but we got back door swept by Memphis

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Given the enormous changes with Blake and DJ, I just don't know how anyone can say that Doc is not a clearly better coach.

Now as far as GM I think one can rationally argue Doc hasn't been a great GM. But coach? Hands down better. Heck, just on ability to execute a plan out of a time out Doc is clearly better.

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I don't really need the playoffs to tell me that we are a better team. I think it's clear.

I also think we will go further in the playoffs this year, but last year with westbrook out there was a great opportunity. I also think it won't be a problem of just being outcoached or looking desperate trying line ups you haven't seen.

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I don't think this year's team is better then last as far as personnel. I do think certain frontline/starting players,aka Blake, DJ,stepped up their games which makes it look more stacked. But last years bench was better IMHO and I would take Carron over Dudley any day. I think what we have is a team that has responded to Docs coaching because he is respected more, no one paid attention to Vinny at all,and those that don't respond or argue with Doc will get the Big Baby treatment.

If Baby yelled at Vinny,Vinny would have sent himself to the locker room.

And IF we get bounced in the first round (which I doubt) , then it is what it is. But I personally will not blame Doc. But knowing me I will be cursing out someone,probably the refs as I hate them more then the Warriors or the Jizzlies (well not quite).

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And the excuses begin.

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VDN suspended Bledsoe. Went after Bdiddy for his weight issues. Doc only scolds the guys he can get away with. Collison, Hollins, and Big baby. 2 of which had played on his team before. Most importantly, Big baby went there with Doc.

Dudley isn't a starter for us and barnes seems to be outproducing what Butler ever did. Now you have Granger? Nope, Doc has the superior talent. Collison alone is outproducing Bledsoe. Oh, and here is a similarity between Doc and VDN:

Seems Doc is also platooning on occasion when it comes to subbing.

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There are a couple of things Doc has that Vinny didn't... a guaranteed contract for $21,000,000, Chris Paul's signature on a 5-year deal and a sycophantic press-room.

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Hahahaha that's what you did the entire year last year is to give multiple excuses on VDN. Based on our seeding right now, we'll be facing OKC in the 2nd round. Which OKC provides an easier path to the WCF the one with Westbrook or the one without.

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That's caused VDN kept benching EBled in favor of Billups and green. Ebled shoulda started along with CP3 like Collison. And yes our bench last year is better.

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Hahahaha that's what you did the entire year last year is to give multiple excuses on VDN. Based on our seeding right now, we'll be facing OKC in the 2nd round. Which OKC provides an easier path to the WCF the one with Westbrook or the one without.

No... I criticized Vinny whenever I felt he deserved it, same as I've done with Doc. I felt that bad coaching only cost us 2 or 3 games last year... about the same as this year.

And since our coach is supposedly SO much better than the last guy, and since coaching makes SUCH a difference in a team's performance... surely any one player from any other team shouldn't determine whether we're going to be successful. After all... if Chauncey sucking didn't cost us the playoffs, then why would Westbrook beasting?

After two years of bashing Vinny, now people are beginning to move the goalposts on their definition of success. F*cking hilarious.

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Vinny was the problem that's why he wasn't sign back.

The "problem" has now been removed, so now there should be no impediment to us reaching the WCF, right?

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I seriously can't understand how VDN is still being defended by some fans. I guess some people will just never understand the effect of coaching in basketball.

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On top of that, Vinny was too scared to bench Chauncey, who was an absolute waste of a roster spot by that point of the season. IIRC, he didn't play Bledsoe nearly enough minutes either. That collapse was all on coaching, or rather, the lack thereof.

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If the effect is as big as you say then we should all be grateful for the first coach to lead us to back-to-back playoff appearances in a generation, first ever sweep of the lakers, first ever game 7 win, best winning % in our history, etc, etc, etc.

But no, the players were totally responsible for the 56 wins and the 26 losses were all on Vinny. If only you realized how moronic that sounds.

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I have to agree with cleepers on the part about the offense. Vinny had a 28th and 19h paced team. Far from run and gun. That's the kind of stuff non Clipper fans say and we have to correct them when they would say "Clippers are a fast break team and that doesn't work in the playoffs" and we're wondering if the person sees anything more than the ESPN highlights showing the couple of fast break baskets and assumed that's what the Clippers were doing all game. Doc is the one actually doing something closer to run and gun, Gentry....

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YEa but the problem is that didn't happen when we got "Vinny".

That happened when we got CP3. So maybe he deserves more credit than "Vinny".

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It was VDN decision to play Billups so much in the playoff and not give enough time for Ebled. So Billups sucking and affecting the team negativelyWAS on Vinny. He was the coach and he controlled the rotation.

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I'll describe last years offense (I would describe the defense but it is mostly just talk about the bench). We did like to get out in transition and fast break points were definitely part of our game (we weren't lob city for no reason, and lobs are rare in half court set).

It was a lot of CP3 go work your magic. It was a lot of Jamal go cross someone up. It took a lot of CP taking over game after game. Blake had been reduced to a glorified role player. Pick and roll at the top of the key, if that's not open then ISO. A lot of let's the clock run down then set the pick (which very likely affected the pace).

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OK... so maybe CP3 deserves more blame for us not reaching the WCF, too.

I don't necessarily agree with that, but if we're going to credit the players with EVERYTHING good that the team accomplishes then it's only fair to question them when it comes to the team not living up to expectations... and if coaching didn't contribute to our success last year then it also didn't contribute to our playoff collapse. That's only fair and logical.

This team has comparable talent to the last two years... if Vinny was the one thing holding us back from a WCF berth, then we should have no problem getting there this year.

Or maybe it's just really f*cking hard to get there and some people should cut Vinny a break. We'll see in April and May... and if we're still playing in June, THEN we'll all know that Doc is undoubtedly much better than Vinny.

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Doc Rivers is a way better coach than Vinny Del Negro. Will having the better coach mean you will win the WCF or the championship? Of course not. But will having a better coach give you a better chance to reach the ultimate goal? Hell yeah.

Vinny Del Negro was solid coach, but if he was so instrumental in the Clipper success, you kind of wonder why he hasn't latched on with a new coaching gig anywhere yet.

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That sounds very definitive.

What's your basis? Was Phil Jackson way better than Jerry Sloan and Gregg Popovich? ...or did he just have the best player(s) on the planet to work with?

Most people say Sloan would have a couple of rings if it hadn't been for Jordan. Others say that Pop's Spurs would have absolutely dominated the 2000's but for Kobe and Shaq.

Vinny took Doc's (AND Thibs') HOF championship roster to 7 close games with a rookie as his best player. He led the Clippers to their best B2B seasons in franchise history. The man deserves all Clippers fans' respect and gratitude.

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Bro How did vinny "lead"" this team to B2B best seasons when he is GONE

and we are still having another GREAT season. Doesn't make sense.

Vinny Arrives = Lottery Team

Cp3 arrives = Best season in franchise history

Vinny leaves cp3 stays = Another great season better than the first 2

Make no mistake if Cp3 would have left and vinny stayed as head coach

we would be back in the Lottery.

So I just don't see how you are saying "Vinny" did this.

Remember the hornets? Remember before cp3 got there, then

after? CP3 is the best PG in the league and has a track record

of turning around Lottery teams into playoff contenders.

Vinny can't coach. He's a good transition coach. Someone you let coach

your team while you search for a real long term head coach

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We'll see how much sense it makes when we reach the WCF this year, right?... because we still have CP3, Blake and DJ have improved dramatically and now we have a far superior coach... so, no excuses, right?

Or else... Vinny wasn't so bad, right?

I've never claimed that Vinny was solely responsible for the success we've enjoyed over the last couple of years. In fact, when things went tits-up and people bitched about him, I was one of the few that criticized the players, because I happen to believe that they play a MUCH larger part in our success (or lack thereof) than any coach.

I'll hold Doc to the same standard. I promise. I think he's a very good coach. If he can overcome the players' lack of focus, energy and mental fortitude that Vinny failed to, and take those players to the next level, then he is better than Vinny... and most other coaches,

But if we don't fulfill expectations this year and I hear any of the Vinnyphobes blaming players for any reason, I will call those people out as the full-of-sh*t, hypocritical haters that they are.

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A lot of observations, many of which other posters have already rehashed many times. But some of the things that quickly come to mind are:

  1. a system for both offense and defense

  2. championship experience

  3. respect from the players

  4. better ability to relate to/manage the players

  5. ability to get the most out of players, specifically DeAndre Jordan; Jamal Crawford was also quoted to saying Doc Rivers has made him a better player.

What is your basis that Doc Rivers isn't a big upgrade, if that's what you are saying?

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^ I'm not claiming anything, and even if I were, I wouldn't have any basis until I see what happens in the playoffs... I'm quite comfortable admitting that. But it seems like a lot of people have decided who's "hot or not" before they've seen the full picture.

Vinny won a first-round series on the road against the odds. Doc was brought in to take us to the next level. Donald handed him the keys and made him the highest-paid coach in the league. He has the full support of players, fans and the media, a nice resume and an improved roster. All the pieces are there.

I just hope he lives up to expectations. If he doesn't, I won't hate on him. I'll support him as I did Vinny because I think they are both good coaches... but it might just say something about how difficult Vinny's position was... no contract, his best players entering FA, a skeptical media (thanks to the Bulls' publicity machine).

Once again... Vinny got no excuses, so for Doc... No excuses.

Isn't that fair?

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That there sums up my feelings in a nutshell.

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You seem to be mixing a few things together here. Seems like you're changing definitions to fit what you want it to. We had a half court offense, it just wasn't a dynamic one, we had set plays, they just didn't have good counters and second options. Since when did run and gun not refer to pace? I'd like to see the sources (since this is a novel idea) for where people talk about run and gun and aren't talking about pace.

The phrase itself "run" that is go fast and "gun" that is shoot quickly basically is the definition of playing with pace. How do we have a different definition of this phrase now?

Firstly not team has no set plays, of course that's hyperbole, but I think the disconnect here is this: A part of run and gun is a minimal reliance on set plays, but not having set plays in itself doesn't necessarily signify run and gun. It could just signify a very disorganized half court team. The Joe Johnson Atlanta Hawks were a slow paced, minimize mistakes, half court team with little in dynamic play calling. They ran a lot of isolation, post up iso's, etc. They didn't use much in terms of "set plays" but they were not a run and gun team. Similarly the Knicks (yes,it's a Mike Woodson thing). Giving the ball to Joe Johnson and either sending a pick for him or having him iso as everyone watches is certainly not a set play at least not in the terms of what we'd call an effective set play.

You can't divorce run and gun from fast paced, fast break basketball, that's exactly what it means. Lack of set plays wasn't even true about last years Clipper team, the problem wasn't lack of set plays it was ineffective and stagnant set plays (not Knicks or Hawks level). Run and gun teams don't suffer from the constant stagnation last years offense suffered from. Last years team had set plays, many of them, they just didn't have effective counters and second options on plays like I said, and let's not forget that personnel was a factor too. Not even mentioning that defense in the post-season was a much bigger problem than any offensive inadequacy. (Clippers gave up 100.2 PPG and 114.6 Ortg to a team that averaged 93.4 PPG and 104.9 Ortg in the regular season and were talking about offense?) Almost the same pace as their regular season (87.4 playoffs vs Clippers, 88.4 regular season pace), but they averaged 6.8 more PPG because they were scoring +0.93 pts/possession than they did in the regular season,that's called embarrassing defense.

...the Suns lost because they couldn't defend and rebound not because their offense failed. Their defense failed because they played undersized and Amare doesn't know how to play defense until his day. 1 team wins a championship each year, not really sure I'll say someone style doesn't work if they get to a couple of conference finals because they don't win a championship. I will say D'Antoni's style doesn't work, but not the offensive side of it. What doesn't work is that D'Antoni didn't coach defense and just thought it would work itself out. What doesn't work is having your starting C basically be lost on defense half the time.

What certainly DID work and is why they were in those conference finals is exactly what you said didn't work, which was shooting then all in 8 seconds or less. Contrary to some people's thought too, the Suns actually had a very effective half court offense, great spacing, great movement, and with a great playmaker / ball handler / shooter like Nash, you also have great results.

The most winningest team in NBA history was a run and gun team with few set plays, but they defended. The Lakers in the 80's were a run and gun team, but they also defended, but yes, they also had effective half-court options with Kareem in the post for example.

Can we really mention last seasons Warriors? I mean one season, the first they've been good in some time, a low seed team, not even an elite offense. It wasn't their pace that lost the Spurs series for them.


I'm not here to say Vinny was great, and I've talked about his short comings in length, but I can't see any logical argument that concludes that Vinny failed because he made the team run and gun. On the contrary, this team this year has added an extra dimension to their offense by playing more run and gun. By outleting the ball to Griffin and having him push it and read the defense and decide whether he wants to attack, pass to a shooter, lob to DJ or slow it down, get it back to Paul and run a set. By forcing Paul to be more assertive in pushing quickly and finding his shooters, his lob catchers, taking it himself or setting it up. By Collison being the guard on man fast break like a Barbosa or a Bledsoe. The run and gun has enhanced this teams ability because it forces opposition to get back consistently and there's no specific set defense for it except for getting back.

It's an extra element all the current upper echelon teams have because any easy basket here and there adds up. SA has Parker who can attack on the break alone and in the late 2000's to now have transitioned to a upper half of the league in pace type team to keep themselves successful. OKC has the Westbrook one man fast break. SA was 6th in pace last season, OKC 10th. A lot of quick push and quick hits for there's or attacking the basket against a none set defense.

This season: OKC - 9th SA - 11th LAC - 6th HOU - 7th

There's your a West top 4. Portland 12th, GS 5th. Pace and fast break is not a problem, fast paced doesn't mean you don't have a proper half court offense to balance (unless you're the Sixers, but then you also suck, a lot), itis what else you're doing in addition to that, that is defense, etc.

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Judging on the playoffs and their results is fine if that's what you want, but does that mean if we don't get swept once a team has an upper hand that Doc is better. Last time I checked Vinny looked like a deer in the headlights looking at Pop in the playoffs, and even Lionel when he started mixing rotations hoping something would work. I don't get it, I don't get how people don't see the systematic improvements in the team.

The managing of our team (even though a lot of us wanted to see more Reggie, I think it's been a lot better, if it were Vinny would we still be wondering why Dudley was starting)

A defensive scheme that works.

The players buying in.

The motivation he brings to the players.

The adjustments (how could we ignore all the half time adjustments we've seen this year, I think I could count the one time Vinny started using zone against OKC as an adjustment)

How he defends his players with the refs (maybe it's Vinny's face but he always looked like he was pouting)

The offensive system (regardless if it's his or Gentry's, kudos for getting good help)

We are better off, and I think we can look up north for a perfect example. I think Goldenstate has the issue of a coach that is not ready for where they want to be. If they got a motivated Rick Adelman or a Stan Van Gundy I'd be concerned, but their coach makes me think they are nothing more than a flash in the pan. They have the players to be a contender, but lack the coaching. Vinny is the same in my eyes, he'd be ok for a Philly or an Orlando team that isn't pressured to win now. Personally I think he fits better in a front office then on a bench.

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How often is it that a team breaks their franchise record for wins in back to back years? It is a realistic opportunity at this point. If we go 4-3 we will break last year's record. I think 5-2 is very probably and resting players in the last game could cause a 4-3 which still breaks last year's record.

We would have done that while trying to get healthy the whole year, and I know last year was no picnic but not having Chauncey was probably for the best.

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The bottom line for me is that I feel much more comfortable with the team in Doc's hands than I ever did with it in Vinnie's. We can argue statistics all we want, but stats don't make points, the interpretations of them do. Pointing to a numerical discrepancy and saying "fact," to me, is nothing more than a further endorsement of one's own stance.

At this time last year, our chemistry was crumbling. DJ's was incessantly in a hissy fit, squabbling with VDN. We were rumored to be having locker room problems, and were trending in an unfavorable direction. Notice the silence, from a perspective of chemistry, that we have this season? I think it means at least something, as managing egos and getting players to buy into something bigger and beyond themselves is one of the most important jobs that a coach has.

Last season, when a fLaker fan told me, "Bro, the Clippers are going to win a championship this year." I said, in typical contrarian fashion, "No, because the Clipps can't lose just one game. All their losses come in streaks, and that is the worst thing for a team in the playoffs." That is exactly what happened last year in the playoffs, and I believe for every loss that we had besides one in the regular season. This season, (although we just came out of a losing streak) it doesn't seem to be nearly the same issue. And that, for me, is important.

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Hugest difference for me between Doc and VDN is the respect.

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I don't see it like that at all. From a purely business standpoint, it's results that matter.

To use an analogy, Let's say I employ a guy to run the business-development side of my company. I pay him $50k per year. A couple of years ago, things weren't going so well so I brought in some hot-shot new staff members to work under him. My turnover increased dramatically, but still he was unable to land the big contract that would take my business to the next level.

Along comes guy #2... now his resume says that HE already made that leap in his previous position, so I give him a shot at running things for me despite his commanding a $250k salary. The staff love him and I enjoy a very slight raise in productivity. Everybody is happy.

But... when it comes time to pitch for the big contract again, if he can't deliver the goods - despite his presentation being so slick - would it be wrong of me to question if guy #1 was ever really the problem at all?

As a small-business owner, I say no... in fact, I'd be a lousy businessman and a fool if that thought didn't enter my head.

That's the only point I'm trying to make. Many people on this site put the blame for our last 2 playoff exits solely on Vinny's alleged ineptitude. Now that he's been replaced by a guy who has proven that he can win it all, if we don't get further than we did under Vinny then it stands to reason that Vinny was never really the problem. It doesn't mean that we should fire the new guy, but it does mean that the old guy got a raw deal.

Anybody who can't see that is either lying to themselves to support their preexisting notions... or they're just a f*cking idiot.

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I think Rivers is a good coach and VDN a bad coach, but I don't think coaches make that huge of a difference most of the time. Even if the gap in quality between two coaches is pretty big, I don't think the difference will more than a few games, and especially with a guy like Paul to keep things going even without much guidance. A great coach isn't going to turn this year's 76ers into a good team and bad coach won't make the Spurs suck.

Even if the gap is small though, we need to take advantage of any small gain with we can, especially if those gains are possible outside the salary cap/tax structure like coaches are. We are a big money, big market team and should flex our financial muscle whenever we can in areas outside of players. The practice facility was a great idea in this regard. I would also be all for us buying our own D-League team, hiring the very best medical and health/fitness people, paying for the best travel accommodations or anything else that could give us the slightest bit of edge without being tied to player salary.

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Ok, so if we go further than we did last year it seems that Vinny got the deal he deserved.

I get it @Cleepers, you are results driven. Well what if your new guy doesn't get the new contract right away, but he raises efficiency and profits along the way is that not worth something. He can clean up some of the issues that you had going wrong with your business in the process of being able to contend for that big contract for years to come. As a businessman I'd think it's important not to be as short sighted as solely focused on one contract (championship); but knowing that you are in a better place to contend for years to come.

Context is very important. I think we are title team. I didn't think that we could get past the second round until Westbrook got hurt last year. It's the process of becoming a great team that I have enjoyed this year. To actually be more than a flash in the pan. We've been the flash in the pan before, I want to be the new team that is here for good. I don't want the Sam Cassell, Elton Brand days back (where it is one and done) and I think that is all we were going to be with Vinny at the helm. With Doc their is foundation to go with Blake and CP3.

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Seems a little harsh to say he "deserved" to be fired, but yes, if we go further this year then Donald obviously did the best thing for his business.

By no means am I saying that this year is "championship or bust". My whole defense of Vinny is predicated on the idea that it is very, very hard to win a championship. Plenty of great coaches haven't managed to do it.

I too want us to "contend for years to come", but I think having CP3 and Blake locked up has far more bearing on that than who is calling the plays. Vinny's Clippers weren't a contending team before CP3 arrived and Doc's Celtics weren't a contending team when the big-3 all got old. You've gotta have the horses.

I love Doc but he is not the reason we're going to the playoffs for the third year straight, and Vinny was not the reason we were there for the last 2 years either. MunoValente makes a very good point when he talks about negligible advantages like luxury sleeping accommodations. I agree wholeheartedly. Why shouldn't we have a big-name coach with a championship ring and pay him more than anybody else gets? It's not my money and I can't see any possible way it would put us at a disadvantage.

But Doc being great doesn't necessarily prove that Vinny is terrible. I'm simply stating that if Vinny really is that terrible, then a proven winner like Doc should be able to do at least a little better with the same resources. It's really quite simple... If I replace the blind and/or stupid driver of a stationary car with a champion driver and he still can't get the car to move, then the problem wasn't the first driver... it was the car.

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As I understand it, VDN didn't get fired. He just didn't receive a new contract. Fired would be getting paid to go away.

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You're absolutely right. He just wasn't given a new contract. Sterling could have even let him go a year earlier without technically "firing" him, since last year was a team option. That's beside the point, though. Many people here wanted him fired ever since CP3 arrived because they thought/hoped/expected the team to be in the conference finals and they believe Vinny was the reason we didn't make it.

Now he's gone and we have just as much talent as ever, so theoretically there's nothing stopping us from getting to the WCF... unless of course, it wasn't Vinny's ineptitude stopping us after all... hmmmm.

Nah, that's ridiculous Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08

TheThinkingSomething
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So, if I can wade through all your sarcasm, it seems like you are trying to apply the same gambler's fallacy loaded line of reasoning that you get from VDN haters on this board to the expectations on Doc this season. Is that what you are trying to do?

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Doc got DJ to move so I guess the car wasn't the problem

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Nothing of the sort, my friend. I'm simply shining a light on the flaws in the aforementioned "logic".

If one replaces a perceived liability with a proven asset yet still achieves the same outcome, obviously the liability wasn't a liability to begin with.

I have no beef whatsoever with Doc.

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Excellent work, jarca.

I hope you didn't strain yourself coming up with that little gem.

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I don't think Vinny Del Negro is a terrible coach, but he did not have the respect of his team and especially CP3. Several times last year, I saw them break out of a timeout and CP3 had the rolling eyes look. Also, Chauncey Billups sort of hijacked the team by pretending to be the coach and ultimately just being a distraction. The biggest difference and value in Doc Rivers is that his reputation demands respect. This is the same power Phil Jackson seems to have too. Respect is so key when it comes to being an NBA head coach because, for the most part, it's a players game but it's up to the coach to motivate them to want to listen and buy into what the team is doing. Bill Simmons dogged Rivers and referenced his years in Orlando being a failure, but Rivers is not the same coach he was in Orlando. When he won the championship in Boston, he gained an experience and added to his overall respect factor to players all over the NBA.

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