Clippers vs Warriors Playoffs Gm. #1 Game Thread 2014-04-19 (P. 20)

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cleepers
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It still might be. Depends on how our players step up.

Makes you think about just how good or bad Vinny was, though... winning games 1 & 7 on the road.

It ain't easy.

For what it's worth, I still think we've got this.

JQuick32
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Who cares what the media thinks? They've always hated us and probably always will until Sterling no longer owns the team.

ClippersDA
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This grizzlies/thunder game being called so much more loosely

JQuick32
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Are we watching the same game? Bubble Boy and the FThunder are getting every call and no-call as usual and still choking.

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Anyone watching what the Thunder have been getting away with in the 4th? It's obscene!

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Obscene?

Nah... business as usual in OKC.

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Why does everybody think this is a walk in the park GSW is a damned good team as are all the 1 - 6. It's not like they're playing the 76ers. It's not that we should be surprised that they won. There's no way we would sweep them. I'd be happy with a win in six.

Remember, this is the first time this team has ever played together when everyone was healthy. In boxing it's easy to find your flaws. When you screw up you get hit in the mouth. We got hit in the mouth. It's all about adjustments. Griffin had how many points? and was a Non Factor in the grand scheme. He was not able to get the offense into a flow. Jamal was off. Is Granger healthy?

If we can pull off one next game by game 4 we should be a machine.

Why do fans get red shirts and not wear them? I was surrounded by GSW fans (who were cool) and all of them had red shirt, not wearing them of course.

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Blake played 19 minutes last call was a mess I am not worried we were not at a 100 % **** happens

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Clips in 5

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The one thing every media outlet is saying is that the refs dominated the game.

Maybe we'll be lucky enough to get somebody less self-important and overbearing like - say, Joey Crawford - for game 2.

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I would understand it you were saying this a week and a half from now and the Clippers had lost the sereis, that is PERFECTLY fine. The problem is that you say this after game 1. The problem is that you say this in the first quarter after the Clippers are down anything more than 5 points, it just doesn't make sense. If we won game 1, it wouldn't man that "this year was different", it would mean we had 3 more games to win.

It would mean we had another series against OKC or Memphis to win, so I just don't get the whole making conclusions after the first 10% of a game, a series, a playoff run, like can't you just wait a little?

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ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo 5h Through 2:39 in the 3rd Q, Chris Paul is 0-7 with 2 points when guarded by Klay Thompson. He's 6-7 with 16 pts when guarded by anyone else I can't find the final stats that ESPN flashed up on the BottomLine after the game, but they weren't much better than that. Doc needs to figure out better ways to get the ball up the court when CP3 has a bigger guy on him. The rest of the team needs to set better screens for him and make sure to better exploit the matchup problem....

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I'm calling it like I see it. I have zero confidence in this team after the chokejob I witnessed today, especially considering both this franchise's and CP3's history.

There are different types of fans in sports. I wish I could be a more optimistic fan, but ultimately, I'm the type of fan that needs to see proof first before I buy in. I guess it's because all of my favorite teams other than the Kings are yearly choke artists, so I've just learned not to expect anything good or I'll get burned. Ultimately, all this game proved is that it's more of the same so far. Hopefully Game 2 will be different - but they need to show me that first, I can't just assume it.

And if we won this game, it really would have been proof that things were different. Coming from behind to win in spite of everything that went against them would have been huge for this team's psyche. Instead, we choked and folded under adversity in the playoffs again.

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I don't know which one was you, and I missed some of it, I just didn't get why VDN kept being brought up, VDN did what he could, after the playoffs are over, whatever the final outcome, we'll see what Doc is able to do differently, better or worse. We certainly won't see it after game 1, and CP has been fine, he generally has been more aggressive in the playoffs than his regular season play with similar efficiency, not really much more to ask for from a player.

Even in the terrible Spurs series where he was injured, he was still looking to get shots up he just didn't make anything and couldn't get to his favorite spots as he would have liked. Just too many wide reaching statements get made from one game, one quarter, one half. Players are who they are based on their game to game, not little snippets. Curry is an awful playoff performer based on today's game and an unclutch player, but we don't really believe that and he could come out and drop 40 next game.

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Well that VDN led team sort of did that in Game 1 vs Memphis in superb fashion and then again by winning game 7. I see, well you'll just have to be our forever pessimist. I'm not really an optimist, I'm in the middle. I don't think this team is a favorite like some might have thought until they show some more things I'm waiting for on defense, but I also don't think they are doomed to failure.

Still, I think we've all watched enough playoff series to know that being down 0-1 as a good team really isn't that big a deal as long as you win game 2. You win game 2 and then you say let's go on the road and at the least split. You get your HCA advantage back by the end of game 4. If you win the first one on the road, you can be up 2-1 going into game 4.

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Come on man we can't fold

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Finally just got home. This hurts, big time. I'm not going to lie, I'm concerned. They are without a huge piece and the best rebounder on the team mind you, and yet they were able to dictate the majority of the game. Both sides were getting awful calls, so I can't really blame the refs, although Blake's 6th foul complete Bulls***. That said, CP3 really let the team down in the final stretch. He's got to bring the ball up the court cleanly and he has make his free throws. I'm sorry, but the guy who's being paid max money cannot make mistakes like that in crucial situations. Until he does something about it, he deserves all the criticism he gets.

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Seriously will blake get in trouble?

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And this is when Blake is singularly more important than anyone else on the clippers. When blake is a non-factor, you just put all the defense on Chris and the clips offense is shattered. When blake can play chris can defer to him and then you have a 2 headed snake to worry about instead of one. Just like lebron and d-wade or KD and Russell. They are significantly worse with either one not playing

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I blame the refs for this loss as well as the GSW getting hit by water from Griffins rogue drink. Stupid refs! Come on!!

JQuick32
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LeBron switches into "Cleveland Mode" in the playoffs when Wade inevitably disappears and still wins games. KD was setting records this year while Westbrook was out. What's CP3's excuse? The $107 million "superstar" shouldn't require Blake to be on the court in order to make clutch free throws and not throw the ball out of bounds. He choked, plain and simple.

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@Jquick

This season when the 2nd half the those two duos were out they have struggled. Last year when russell got injured KD "choked" the whole series away and they got 4-1. It opens up the offense when theres another huge scoring threat on the floor. I'm disappointed as well as you are but this is just one game and I hope you wake up tomorrow and feel better, it is Easter after all

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And Blake threw water at a Warrior fan? Yikes.

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Class act by Blake! Smart too.

JQuick32
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This is officially becoming overblown. He inadvertently knocked over a cup with a sip's worth of water in it onto someone in the crowd. The fan in question didn't even think it was intentional. If it was a media golden boy like Curry or Durant doing it, it wouldn't even be mentioned, but since it's one of the most hated players in the league, it's getting blown up into a fake controversy by the media to whip his haters into a frenzy for ratings and pageviews.

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JahvonTheClip wrote:
Last year when russell got injured KD "choked" the whole series away and they got 4-1.

Actually, when Russell got injured, KD won the Rockets series without him. Yes, they didn't get past Memphis, but it's still farther than "superstar" CP3 got with Blake hobbled.

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I'm disappointed as well as you are but this is just one game and I hope you wake up tomorrow and feel better, it is Easter after all

I'm fine, just venting. Smile

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I just think it's very harsh to put this on our stars.

Collison had his moments, but he was -9 while he was on the floor, with two TO's to match his 2 assists. Crawford was a dismal 2/11 for only 9pts in 23 minutes (and -15). Barnes had only 3 FGA's in the same amount of time... and made none of them. Granger played like dogshit... although I'll cut him a break with it being his first game back.

On a nightly basis, it's not easy for us to win without at least one roleplayer stepping up offensively. Today, none did. Add to that the fact that Blake barely played and it's a recipe for disaster.

To be honest, CP3 and a bunch of scrubby performances kept this game closer than it probably should have been.

Still... I like Big Baby's extra playoff gear Very Happy

And I think this game will quietly elevate DJ's confidence, despite his shortcomings defending the baseline cut.

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Game 2 everyone will play calmer and smarter. As bad as we were reamed by the refs today, they should take good care of us to stretch this series to 7 like the league wants

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Thank god they are so damn annoying

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It just felt like Murphy's Law at times during this game. With that being said, I think Blake, CP3, and co. will be much better for Monday's game.

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You guys seemed to forget that our SF position didn't do too well

Barnes 0-3 for 2 points

Granger 1-6 for 3 points

Clipperfn4lf
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Teams that win game 1 win 77% of series. Luckily I already checked and we are in the 23%.

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maybe we should have tried a little harder for the 2nd seed, then again if we did get it knowing our luck Memphis would probably play like defending champs

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I disagree with the bolded. I think JJ Redick stepped up rather nicely tonight. It was Blake's limited minutes (and the other problems you mentioned) that ultimately killed the Clips.

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I don't even think Blake's foul trouble killed the Clips as much as everyone is trying to claim it did. Big Baby and even DJ later on in the game filled in nicely. It was still a close game at the end without him.

We were able to overcome Blake's absence for the most part and a role player (JJ) did step up. It all comes back to CP3, Crawford, and Collison choking. Especially CP3.

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Memphis would be a nightmare series. In addition to the usual choking, once again, our players would all be injured by the end.

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More I think about it the more confident I am. We won a game 7 in MEMPHIS where the crowd literally hated our guts. Oracle may be loud, but our players have faced a more hostile crowd. Clippers in 7!

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Dunkathon wrote:
I disagree with the bolded. I think JJ Redick stepped up rather nicely tonight. It was Blake's limited minutes (and the other problems you mentioned) that ultimately killed the Clips.

Fair enough... JJ showed up, alright.

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We were able to overcome Blake's absence for the most part and a role player (JJ) did step up. It all comes back to CP3, Crawford, and Collison choking. Especially CP3.

Especially CP3?

When Crawford, our 19ppg 3rd leading scorer shot 18%? ...which would have been 9% without a halfcourt heave? ...without our #1 leading scorer even playing a half?

I don't want to hate on Jamal... he's one of my favorite Clips... but dude, if he hits a miserable 35% FG's tonight, we win.

You have an obvious bias against Chris Paul.

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Especially CP3?

Yes, especially CP3. Crawford isn't getting paid the max nor does he have the reputation of a superstar. LeBron was labeled as a choker for years when he put up historic numbers and still couldn't win in the playoffs with a **** Cavs team, so CP3 shouldn't get to duck that kind of criticism when he actually chokes down the stretch with a significantly more talented team than what LeBron had in Cleveland.

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You have an obvious bias against Chris Paul.

No, I don't. I simply hold our so-called franchise player to a higher standard than a role player like Jamal. That's simply part of being a superstar - you're judged more harshly than a role player, especially in clutch moments. That being said, Crawford was horrible this game and deserves criticism.

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Seriously? Chris Paul made some mistakes, but did his share to help the team win. If you couldn't see that, I don't know what you were watching.

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He made two possibly big threes that were immediately negated by his bricked free throws and throwing the ball out of bounds. Other than that, he spent the majority of the game trying to draw cheap fouls instead of just playing basketball. Imagine how different the game could have been if CP3 wasn't trying to do his best James Harden impression and instead just played his own game.

I expect more from a so-called superstar on a max contract in the playoffs, sorry. He can't be shielded from criticism his entire career.

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LOL. Throwing the ball out of bounds because he was fouled? For someone who complains a lot of the refs- you rather blame Chris Paul than the zebras for that play? And he lead the team in scoring with 28, got 7 rebounds and 8 assists, + 4 steals. Lead the team in +/- with +9. If that's no super-star #'s, I don't know what is.

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Thanks clippers for ruining my weekend - have hours of work tomorrow that needs to get done and too bummed out

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Blake Griffin expected it to be very physical. He was in beast mode playing great at both ends. Hounded Lee to bad TOs and even blocked one of his shots. Clippers were poised to win it.

Two bad calls later BG on the bench and Warriors made their run.

Bash me all you want. If one of those crappy fouls is not called, Clips would have won even with all the other stuff that happened.

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First... in case you haven't attended a game lately... Blake is our franchise player.

He is our draftee. He is introduced last. He is our top scorer. He is the center of every advertising push. He is climbing the MVP ladder.

Ask CTB (or any other Clips fan source) and Blake is the VERY LAST player they would trade. He is the very birth of the modern Clippers.

Chris Paul's numbers were an MVP-caliber: 28/8/7/4 and yet you think the guy who averages 19ppg on 42% getting 9pts at 18% on 11 FGAs isn't an issue?

If Jamal has just an ordinary day at the office, we're celebrating instead of dissecting. But I'm not stupid enough to put it all on him. Collison took his eye off the ball... Blake maybe reached once too often... and yes, CP3 wasn't perfect either... but to put this loss on him is f**king ridiculous.

I stand by my statement. You definitely don't like him.

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This was a typical day at the office for Crawford - dude is so overrated on this board and is the pinnacle of hot and cold.

Waited all year for olayoffs and this team redeeming last season - so frustrating

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cleepers wrote:
First... in case you haven't attended a game lately... Blake is our franchise player.

He is our draftee. He is introduced last. He is our top scorer. He is the center of every advertising push. He is climbing the MVP ladder.

Ask CTB (or any other Clips fan source) and Blake is the VERY LAST player they would trade. He is the very birth of the modern Clippers.

They both are viewed as our franchise players - that role doesn't necessarily have to be exclusive to one player. Now, personally, ever since the stretch this season when CP3 was out, I've thought that Blake is the only actual franchise player on this team, but that's neither here nor there. CP3 is hyped up as a superstar in general, and in order to merit that hype, he can't be making stupid mistakes when it matters in a playoff game and he can't go his whole career without even getting past the second round.

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Chris Paul's numbers were an MVP-caliber: 28/8/7/4

I love statistics, but they can be misleading sometimes (see: Kevin Love's whole career). Regardless of his numbers, I definitely wasn't satisfied with how he played (fishing for cheap foul calls, bricking FT's, etc.)

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and yet you think the guy who average 19ppg on 42% getting 9pts on 18% isn't an issue?

I never said Jamal wasn't an issue. In fact, I believe I called him a playoff choker earlier in the thread.

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I stand by my statement. You definitely don't like him.

Au contraire. CP3 was actually one of my favorite players dating back to his Wake Forest days before he even came here. I was just as thrilled as any other Clipper fan when he came here. But I'm also not a CP3 homer, and I realize that his playoff resume is a joke when put up against the players he's compared to. Even Dwight Coward has led a team to the Finals. At some point, CP3 needs to **** or get off the pot.

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OH! My bad... I didn'nt realize we'd lost the series yet.

I guess I'll just be f**king miserable like you and JQuick, then.

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I am a big BG fan and think he is one of best power forwards in the game. However, I think he let the team down today. We are a different team without BG and we need him. A few months ago I wrote, I can't wait until we consider BG as "clutch". Although I think it will be soon (maybe next season), I'm still waiting...

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