List of Bad Calls for Game 1 of Clippers vs Warriors (P. 2)

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tense2
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Ah, what about the previous 47 mins and 36 seconds...oh sorry, I forgot it was the refs "basketball 101", lol.

CP3Best
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We missed a 3-1 break to go up 3 instead gave it up and Barnes hit a 3 so THEY go up 2? ie. Lack. Of. Execution.

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if you're blaming the refs, you're missing the point.

tense2
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Oh oh ekker, now you've done it.

sz123456
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You mean we're missing YOUR point

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Well, watch the replay of the non call on Paul. I would link it, but am not able to since I am a new member.

Please tell me where there is contact. And Paul is losing the ball BEFORE contact was ever made, anyway. What the heck is the NBA apologizing for? The ref was right in front of the play, and there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that he missed the call. At the end of the game, if the refs are going to let the players decide the game. Also Green made a good play on defense, as he very often does.

sz123456
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"Please tell me where there is contact"

"And Paul is losing the ball BEFORE contact was ever made"

So you admit that contact was made, and you want us to tell you where the contact was?

RickBlaine
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There was no contact. You know, I know it.

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Green was all over him, you are absurd.

sz123456
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You already made it clear that there was contact.

MuteHaitian
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Apparently the heads at the NBA don't know it. Quick, send them a memo!

lobcityhawaii
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lol don't waste your time with that foolish blind person. No point in arguing.

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RickBlaine wrote:
There was no contact. You know, I know it.

You contradict yourself in just one post lol!!, here's what you said below in bold red color.

RickBlaine wrote:
Please tell me where there is contact. And Paul is losing the ball BEFORE contact was ever made, anyway. What the heck is the NBA apologizing for? The ref was right in front of the play, and there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that he missed the call. At the end of the game, if the refs are going to let the players decide the game. Also Green made a good play on defense, as he very often does.

RickBlaine
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Tell me where Green makes contact with Paul. The ref was standing right in front of the play. He didn't call a foul because there wasn't one.

And you all know that Paul lost the ball before Green even approached him. Simply a great, heads up play by Draymond Green.

But let not your heart be troubled, Flop City. The NBA has sent out its memo to refs. You will get the preponderance of the calls--again--on Monday night.

sz123456
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Which heads up play? The one where he made contact?

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Toohip 3:16. When has a winner ever complained about bad calls? "Sh*t fire and spare the matches! Those f*cking refs won the game for us. We got robbed. This shouldn't have happened"

My reply was always " Shut up it's part of the game, complaining is for losers" but David never complains about that so I really take his observation seriously.

It doesn't matter if Paul was fouled or not or if we think he was, the NBA SAYS he was.That's what matters. Considering Paul is an 80+ Free throw shooter that means should have gotten two points most likely. The league is saying they screwed up,. If pushed to a logical conclusion they would have to say that they probably cost us the game. This could cost us the series. This is the Playoffs where a loss is crucial. It means one less day of rest or one less day of practice. Every game carries with it a risk of injury. A win or loss also has an unmeasurable psychological effect on both teams.

I remember the game against GSW where the refs did the same thing. How many Technicals against BG have been rescinded? (I don't know). Each one was a point lost and a momentum change. There was the bad call against Dallas. Each loss affected our seeding.

  1. Each coach is allowed one replay per quarter and the coaches can be present.

  2. This supposedly happens but refs should be reviewed and "graded" and their scores be made public

  3. When a foul or other missed call is seen in replay that call superceeds the floor call. In other words if the foul occurred before the turn over and was determined so on the tape it should be a foul. Lets say that you beat the crap out of somebody and are arrested for assault only. The cops later find a security tape and discover that you also robbed him. Does this mean that you can't be charged with armed robbery? Same thing.

  4. Hacking should be stopped. X number of off the ball fouls and the coach can choose to take the ball out of bounds on his end of the court.

Sterling should complain loudly and publicly. He gets a million dollar fine. So What? It would stop.

lobcityhawaii
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Okay whatever you say. What a joke. Haha.

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LOL yeah, some "preponderance of calls" that left our best player completely unable to play due to constant flops by Golden State. roll

toohipcliptoslip
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I was five rows from the play and CP was facing me. CP did get fouled.

lobcityhawaii
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Yup, anyone who calls us flop city just presents himself as ignorant. All teams now days have floppers. Hypocritical. Plus there are many players that flop more than ours.

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I really believe the Nba has to make it a close series. Beginning of the game it looked like we were going to steen roll them. Refs changed that after that point. I felt that they fouled Iggy out to prepare for what might and eventually would be necessary to keep it close.

If we dominate when this is supposed to be the most competitive match up it could be a problem in the Nba's eyes. If I ran a business I would have to think about it. I wouldn't say they tried to fix the game, just make sure it was close.

So many things i saw wrong with officiating. Players usually get the call when they get their defender in the air, saw about 4 different times clipper players had their defenders in the air only to get nothing. All the things David pointed out, unusual calls and lack thereof. I don't want to be the conspiracy theorist, but I think it's crazy not to think the Nba has something to benefit. That alone could persuade most business owners to influence certain aspects, not to the point of WWe but some aspects.

LuckTheFakers
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The refs definitely f***ed us this game. The league even admitted they blew the non-call on Paul, so I dunno what the GSW trash is trying to argue. But don't worry, Clipper fans. The fact that we could hang with them with Blake riding the pine most of the game-- and we've done this twice now due to that BS ejection on Christmas-- shows that we're the much better team. They are soft and have to resort to mind games in the press to try to win, but that's not going to work over the course of the series. Ultimately, the league would much rather have us in round 2 anyway so in the end the conspiracy will be on our side, even if this series goes longer than it should.

clips15deep
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While I agree that the refs were not up to par this game, what happened has happened and now we need to move past this first game. I'm more worried about our defense when we were trapping the p@r with curry. They ran the same play countless times where curry would reverse the ball to Lee after getting doubled, Lee would then then pass the ball for an open dunk or 3 pointer. Despite poor officiating, we would cruise through this series if we can find a way to slow down that play.

PaulSoleil
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http://www.nba.com/2014/news/04/20/warr ... ef:nbahpts

Despite our horrible (at times) play, I felt we still could have won except for this call. Basically what sealed the game for GS

LuckTheFakers
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Well that makes it all better. Thanks NBA.

PaulSoleil
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Weird no call when everything else was so tick-y tac. There needed to be more continuity. Either call the games close or let them play. This foul was so obvious, and the arm of the defender was stopping Paul from getting to the ball

PaulSoleil
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I remember that shot JJ got bumped in the air and just threw it up and it happened to go in...but there was no call.

LuckTheFakers
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I just don't understand why the can't take the foul into account when they stop to review. If they don't want to call the foul that's OK, but if it's the reason the ball went out of bounds, at least give it to the right team. It's such a stupid and frustrating rule.

Dunkathon
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You and ClipperPostman really need to knock it off, if only because you're both wrong.

Here's the truth: The refs did screw both teams pretty badly, and they helped contribute to the Clippers's loss. That being said though, great teams find ways to win. If you have to rely on the refs at the end for any sort of reason, your team has already kind of failed.

tense2
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Knock it off!?...ok thanks Dad. Can I at least get some desert. lol

LuckTheFakers
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"Great teams find a way to win" is a horse***t platitude. If the refs want to impact a series, they can. The fact is that if the reffing were more fair in this one, the Clippers would have won so it is perfectly legitimate to cite that Do we have to win every game by 20 to "overcome" the refs? Putting BG on the bench on three BS fouls is just like spotting them 10 points.

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Oh yeah. I advocated for it many times in the past- e.g:

http://clippers.topbuzz.com/PNphpBB2-vi ... tml#369455

I think a lot of fans would also love a tennis-like challenge system as many of you have mentioned as well. Coaches can challenge a foul/questionable call once a game, and if they were wrong, they can't challenge any more. Or for starters, at least make it so that teams can challenge one call made within the final 3 minutes of a close game or something.

Eventually I think it will happen, but I just wonder what it will take before it does occur. A bad call to determine game 7 of a the championship? I rather see a more pro-active approach rather than waiting for such a nightmarish scenario to happen before foul reviews are implemented.

StrikeBack
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At least Vegas made a lot money

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In soccer they are resisting that kind of technology, in fact it took years for them to finally take on goal line technology. The reason people don't want it is they are afraid it will slow down the game/cause interuptions, but seeing as basketball is stopping all the time anyhow that hawkeye kind of rule makes a lot of sense particularly late in the 4th.

lobcityhawaii
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Based on how they've been calling it all year long, those are fouls. All those ones cp3 tried to create fouls were actually fouls as well. Unfortunate the refs weren't consistent with how they've been calling that all year in the nba. DWade is the master at those.

tense2
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From Steve Perrin of Clips Nation:

Perhaps most frustrating of all were the missed opportunities for the Clippers. Throughout the game they missed easy shots, starting right off the bat when Matt Barnes missed an early dunk. But the ones that hurt the most came late. After the Clippers took the lead, the Collison got a strip on Curry and the Clippers had a three on one break -- and Barnes got the chase down block. Then with the game still tied, Paul got a steal and kicked the ball ahead to a streaking Collison -- who took his eye off the ball and lost it out of bounds. In a tight game where they were having trouble scoring, those were four easy points that just went begging.

Paul committing turnovers, Griffin limited to 19 minutes, missed opportunities? Did I cover everything? Oh wait, I forgot about the bench. Jamal Crawford, Collison and Danny Granger combined to make just 5-26 from the field, and one of those was a half court heave at the end of the first quarter by Jamal. Honestly, when you consider the complete absence of bench production AND the literal absence of Griffin for sixty percent of the game, it's amazing that the Clippers had any chance at all in this game.

And now it's time for the obligatory "There's a lot of basketball left" comment. There's a lot of basketball left. If the Clippers hope to advance in the playoffs, they'll have to win on the road in places like Oklahoma City and San Antonio -- and now they'll have to win in Oakland. They certainly can do that -- but they'll certainly have to play better than they did in this game. The only trouble is, the Warriors can play a lot better also.

Couldn't agree more.

Read more:

http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/4/19/56 ... ay-109-105

BaadMaster
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The NBA admitted it blew the Chris Paul call.

http://nba.si.com/2014/04/20/nba-refere ... d%3D466917

Someone re-post this as a topic. It deserves discussion. Clippers really won the game. Period.

tense2
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Oh good we're up by 1 game then. Thanks.

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No we didn't. In fact, we were already shooting ourselves in the foot when the no-call happened.

Dunkathon
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tense2 wrote:
Knock it off!?...ok thanks Dad. Can I at least get some desert. lol

Considering how childish you're acting, it's probably best if your homeroom teacher calls your real Dad to take you home. That's right, you're adopted. Twisted Evil

Also, yes, you can have desert, but all we have is Bogut flavored ice cream. It tastes like dirt, but it will definitely hold your taste buds.

LuckTheFakers wrote:
"Great teams find a way to win" is a horse***t platitude. If the refs want to impact a series, they can. The fact is that if the reffing were more fair in this one, the Clippers would have won so it is perfectly legitimate to cite that Do we have to win every game by 20 to "overcome" the refs? Putting BG on the bench on three BS fouls is just like spotting them 10 points.

The refs can definitely impact a series, but the teams have a measure of control over how much they do. Relying on the refs to win (as the Clips all too often did trying to draw fouls instead of getting a good shot) is an awful strategy, and it showed tonight in the Blazers-Houston game. Houston was getting calls left and right, and yet my Blazers still found a way to win.

Yes, the game would be closer if the reffing wasn't nearly as bad as it was, but no team should ever rely on the officials going their way. If you have to get a good call at the end to win a game, you've already lost in a way.

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Of course not. But, after the NBA itself admitted the blown call, the refs should make it up at some time. Maybe we get the next critical call.

I stand by my original prediction. Clippers in six.

LuckTheFakers
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I agree that the gameplan shouldn't be to try to draw fouls to win, but a tiger can't change its stripes and the flopping etc. that pretty much every superstar does to draw fouls is just something we're gonna have to accept. CP3 is a smart guy though and I'm sure if he isn't getting calls, he'll change his approach. I don't worry about him.

All I'm saying is that I hate it when people think that anyone can overcome refs with good execution. A series of bad calls-- whether borne out of something sketchy like the Donaghy fiasco or just out of sheer incompetence-- can take players out of the game and that probably the single biggest way upsets happen. I mean, you take Griff off our team and I would say GSW is the favorites, no? And that's what happened. So we have to do what we can to adjust but also pray that the refs aren't going to be as ticky-tack in the future, because it's a big deal!

Also, I don't think your Blazers were screwed at all tonight. There were some awful calls both ways but IIRC Houston didn't even get a FT until the second half and the biggest play of the game at the end was a bad call to foul out Dwight and give the Blazers the extra point. That said, I didn't think our game was nearly as one-sided as the OP would suggest either, but the refs definitely hurt us more because taking out Griff is much worse than taking out Iggy or any other player they have.

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Yup bad calls on Blake and bad calls on Iguodala = advantage GSW. No debate there.

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Obviously, refs will blow calls. Often the better refs, after knowing they blew one, will have a "make-up" call. Two points here, two points there. But when you foul out one teams superstar, there are no "makeup calls." (Iggy for BG is not a make-up call; it is not a fair exchange.) The League should stress that to officials and make them very reluctant to foul out a superstar. (Unless the ref is from the Tim Doneghy school of "The Art of the Fixeroo." The Saturday refs sure looked like students of Doneghy. Interesting that Griffin was given a bunch of early fouls right when we were blowing GS out with a 10-1 start as I recall. (In case you didn't know, Doneghy was the crooked referee.) Sure looked like someone had a lot riding on The Warriors. At least to me.

Granted Jamal missed a ton of shots and free throws were blown. But that was true for GS too. Destroying BG's game has no equal in the foul department. Even the blown call on Chris -- admitted by the NBA -- would not have mattered had Griffin played 35 -38 minutes. That is fact.

Somewhere along the line the League must caution about making questionable calls which DIRECTLY affect the games outcome and can not be "made up." And calling a bunch of early ticky-tack fouls on Blake killed the Clippers.

I just hope the next games have some semblance of neutrality. This is unacceptable -- especially in the post-season.

Addendum: Think about this. It is one thing to foul out a superstar if the fouls are spread out over the game. That is bad enough. But when you heap a quick deuce on BG at the BEGINNING of the game, you are influencing it even more. These refs did the worst job on Blake: they took him out early, just when the Clippers were turning the game into a rout, then took him out later for good. These refs must be in some ref bar high fiving each other over their power.

BTW....LuckTheFakers said, ""Great teams find a way to win" is a horse***t platitude. If the refs want to impact a series, they can..." That is exactly right. Foul out MJ early from any Bulls game and that team will lose 9 times out of 10 to a good opponent. Ditto Larry Bird, Magic Johnson. Hakeem, Shaquille O'Neal, KG, LBJ or Blake Griffin. These guys are the superstars of their team for a reason: THEY ARE ESSENTIAL FOR SUCCESS.

What the refs did to Blake was shameful -- and on calls that weren't even fouls. Add into that the blown call on Chris Paul -- I don't think any team could overcome that. And I mean ANY team. Period.

BaadMaster
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That is depressing. They clearly want the Warriors to win. Maybe the NBA talked to them. Hoping.

RickBlaine
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And where did Green contact Paul. Paul lost the before Green got close. Oh, and the ref was about 4 feet away.

But fear not. New crew in today and they will set things right for your team tonight.

Officiating aside, the loss of Andrew Bogut will be the difference in the series. He's the Warriors second most important player, really. Without him, they are not evenly matched up with the Clippers. With him, I believe they are the better team in a head-to-head match-up.

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I didn't realise trolls got up so early.

JQuick32
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Actually no, it's the same crew that slurped the Warriors in Game 1.

Gotta love how you're preemptively blaming the refs and injuries in case GSW chokes. You're covering your ass either way.

RickBlaine
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I heard Brothers and Mott were on tonight. Could be wrong.

Not covering my ass though. Warriors have been better in head-to-head match-ups for the past two seasons. But the loss of Bogut will be tough to overcome. He's really their second most important player the way he holds down the paint. Been saying that over Warriors fan sites all week...going against the grain there.

But we'll see. Hoping they play tough defense and continue to get in the heads of the Clippers as they do so well.

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What your saying in "theory" sounds great. But I'd trust a crooked nba official of

14 years experience, when he says "how do you think I was right 80% of the time" referring

to his betting picks.

Because the reality is the "Players can overcome the refs" is a good soundbyte, but

if a REF is saying they influenced the game to the point where his team wins

80% of the time, that shows that this theory of "overcoming the refs" is a crock of ****.

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