Clippers vs Warriors Playoffs Gm. #2 Game Thread 2014-04-21 (P. 2)

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Silasie
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Good news that it isn't the same crew. It would be great if we could have a game tonight where we don't really notice the refs.

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The other good new is Marc Davis isn't one of them.

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So a cheap shot elbow to the throat by Green doesn't warrant bad karma?

Nope. Green plays tough and physical, but he is not a thug. But if you want to talk about thugs...Matt Barnes?

What about Bogus instigating Blake to get him tossed out?

Let's face it. Bogut is in Griffin's head. Love how Bogut messes with guys and gets them out of their game. He is going to be really missed. As far as Griffin goes, he locked Boguts arm up and that caused him to go down. Its the little passive aggressive things like that that make Griffin such a twot.

What about Mark Jack@ss drawing up cheap strategies like that instead of winning a game by basketball plays?

Not sure what you're talking about. Jackson has been a class act. He doesn't work the refs constantly like Rivers does. When the Clippers refused to worship in chapel with the Warriors (another classless move) Jackson replied on KNBR (Bay Area Radio) that he would welcome worshiping with them should they change their minds. A stunning contrast.

What about Jermaine Oneal Chasing down blake letting him know how much of a "Beast he is in these streets".

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Really a dumb move by O'Neal. But that is the kind of contempt that Griffin engenders from players.

Oh I get it. Karma only works "For" the warriors.

Karma works for everyone. No one knows this more than Warriors fans...and Clippers fans. That is one area where we share common ground. But if you are honest about it, you know that the Warriors are in the heads of the Clippers. Deep down, the Clippers know that the Warriors are a better team head-to-head and they try all sorts of silly things like the Chapel deal to try and buck the trend of the past two seasons.

The bottom line is the Clippers don't like the Warriors, because the Warriors always leave them and their fans crying like a young woman who has lost her virtue.

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Amen Silasie, I'm not a Brothers fan (not really a fan of any ref especially one that I can remember their name) but here's hoping the refs aren't a topic any more.

RickBlaine
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Congratulations, Clipper fans. You got Tony Brothers tonight...a real Warrior nemesis. The memo sent from the league office yesterday about the "missed call" was rectified by handing you Brothers. Barf.

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OK, so complaining about actual and league-admitted missed calls is whining, but using an official as an excuse before anybody even steps on the floor is fine?

Listen to yourself... How about waiting to see if he lets your all-star play even half the game, or if he hands the Clippers the ball on the last possession when we hack one of your guys, or when the league office comes out and says "yeah, we f**ked up", huh?

Then you can whine.

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Well now it's not about whining sister, its official, the NBA declared it as missed call, how much did they get per missed call from GS management.

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Funny stuff, considering it's the Warriors' players and coaches who were crying before the series, and it's the Warriors' fans who are now whining and blaming the refs already before a second of Game 2 has been played. Smack talk, baiting the refs before the series, and premature excuse-making is the sign of an extremely insecure team and fanbase.

"A young woman who has lost her virtue"? That's no way to talk about your coach's mistress. Nice signature, by the way... you should tell that one to Stephanie Curry - when she wasn't bricking or turning it over, she was flailing and falling on the ground, looking for calls.

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Just like how the memo Klank Thompson sent out when he whined and called Blake a flopper before the series was answered by Blake getting in BS foul trouble and only playing 19 minutes because of the Warriors' flopping. Stop crying and looking for excuses.

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You know what Rick? When the Tony brothers foul out your best player, when they miss the game changing call AND the league says they did, then you have a right to be as mad as we are...

sz123456
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Looking forward to Curry getting elbowed in the throat tonight away from the ball, that IS tough and physical basketball right?

RickBlaine
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Excuses? The Warriors have spanked your Clippers in 6 of the last 9 games.

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Hardly spanked... and not without a little help.

The warriors are 3-2 against the Clippers this year, with the NBA openly admitting that crucial bad calls were made in their favor in two of their three wins.

You don't get to complain about officials on this site without everybody here thinking that you're a f**king moron.

namzug
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That's ok, because it's only the next few that matter. We'll still take you in 6.

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I'm not even sure why last season is relevant to anything now. Clippers are 2-2 this season vs the Warriors when Paul plays, or is the game Paul missed supposed to be relevant? (Let's take out Curry and start Blake and see how that works out). I wonder what their record would be if they didn't try to get a Griffin ejected during Christmas or if the refs were a bit more reasonable in their calls on him on Saturday, hmm..

"Spanked" = 2 pt loss with Griffin ejected, blow-out with no Chris Paul, and a 4 pts loss in a fairly controversial game 2 nights ago. Your definition of "spanked" is interesting.

Clippers wins:

126-115

111-98

Without the theatrics of trying to eject players or bad calls at the worst times.

Let's not get carried away in making it seem like there's some sort of fear of Golden State by the Clippers, though of course you can to make you feel better. The Warriors have seemed to have their main focus in games be "how can we get Blake Griffin out", not how can we be the better basketball team.

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More like, will Tony Brothers be getting his 30 silver coins tonight for setting things right?

The Warriors have never had much luck with the officials when playing teams in the Southland. Neither have the Kings for that matter. Former Ref Tim Donaghy has shared his story. And do you remember the Lakers and Warriors last year at around this time? I can't link this since I'm still a newbie here, but go to youtube and enter this into the search field: Warriors vs. Lakers [Rigged .Fixed. Bad Calls] April 12, 2013 ...

That is what NBA officials are capable of. Outrageous.

Who knows. Maybe the game is called straight tonight. But I am skeptical. In other sports, I don't bitch about officiating or worry as much that it will affect the outcome. But in the NBA officiating is a illicit. I think there is a lot of truth to what Donaghy has shared.

I hope the discussion for the rest of the series focuses on the players and coaches and not the officials.

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Without Paul? Haha. The Dubs beat the Clips Saturday without Bogut. And though he is not at the same level as Paul, he is still their second most important player. Does Bogut's absence on Saturday count as two wins by your logic?

Go ahead and discount the Warriors 66% game winning percentage against the Clippers the past two seasons if it makes you feel better. But surely it is something in the back of the minds of the players and coaches.

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No you don't unless you are ok with you guys not winning another game this season. I do like when you come on a Clipperboard and contradict yourself and just overall give Warrior fans a bad name. It's pretty amusing. Hey, but after we win the series you can always bring up how you won three games against us last year.

RickBlaine
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Who is "we?" Are you a member of the Clipper organization, namzug?

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I wonder if @PrickBlaine picked up that new warriors jersey for tonight's game...

JQuick32
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Already blaming the refs before the game has been played is an excuse regardless of the last 9 games.

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Uh, kinda funny I guess. But $3.00 will buy you better material and a cup of coffee. One knows that the argument is won when the opponents resort to name calling.

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RickBlaine wrote:
I can't link this since I'm still a newbie here, but go to youtube and enter this into the search field: Warriors vs. Lakers [Rigged .Fixed. Bad Calls] April 12, 2013 ...

I do admit, the Warriors did get hosed in that game, but let's not pretend that it was a league-wide conspiracy against the Warriors in particular. Nearly every team that played the Lakers in that late-season stretch got screwed over by the refs, and at the same time, the Rockets and Jazz (their competition for a playoff spot) conspicuously started getting less free throw attempts than usual. That was the league trying to force the Lakers into the playoffs, not trying to screw the Warriors.

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I hope the discussion for the rest of the series focuses on the players and coaches and not the officials.

If that's what you want, then stop prematurely blaming Tony Brothers before a nanosecond of basketball has been played.

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Yes, I agree that the League was behind the Lakers last season. And that's why I don't trust officiating in general.

Regarding Brothers, you'd have to walk in the shoes of Warriors fans to understand I guess.

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Let's go Clippers! Must win! Will win!

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What argument?

If a foul is called, it's a foul... regardless of what the fans think. And if it's not called, it's not a foul... unless of course the league comes out and publicly admits that their officials screwed up... which they have done in 2 out of 3 warriors wins this year.

Seems like everybody but duds fans are willing to admit that they've had help from the refs against the Clippers this year. And yet here you are complaining that that they didn't pick your favorites for a game... cry me a river.

One knows that the argument is won when the opponents are frightened of a game being called fairly. Very Happy

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You DO have an argument? Most of the time you're contradicting yourself, I'd love to know what your point is.

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And why is the league apologizing so much about their officials and cherry picking bad calls? It's especially laughable that they claim Green fouled Paul just because JVG said so. Rod Thorn, it's time to retire. Look at the replay and anyone can see that Paul lost the ball BEFORE Green got close to him. And there is still no clear picture of Green making actual contact. But keep drinking the Kool aid, Clipper fans.

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I leave and come back and we have more trolls. You guys know if you ignore him he'll go away.

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Ignore button for the win!!!

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Not quite "anyone"... The league office, who write the rules of the game - and are the ultimate arbiters of them - disagree with you, and your opinion isn't worth a pinch of sh!t to them.

Sleep well knowing that your team needs help from inept and/or crooked officiating to win. Very Happy

sz123456
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Why did JVG say so?

comeONcraig
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Clean up the turnovers, make FT's, and unleash the beast (Blake Griffin)! Our offense needs to run through BG, especially when GS runs a zone.

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This is not rocket science. He reached in. The ref didn't want to make a critical foul call at that juncture (even though a foul in the 4th should be the same as a foul in the 1st), so he just ruled it out of bounds off GSW. But because of the idiotic replay rules, they had to review it and do the "right" thing, which was actually the wrong thing.

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refs or no refs.. You win this game no matter the circumstances..

Don't care how we do it, we need to get this done.

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All that matters right now is Game 2.

Game 1 is over, time to move on. The regular season games are over. Time to move on.

Get a convincing W tonight, grab at least one of games 3 and 4 (especially Game 4 as I will be there!!!), and then close this thing out.

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by the power of positive thinking... WE GOT THIS.

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Ok, when the Clippers win in 6 you can bring up how the trash brothers and company won the series last year and still didn't win the division.

"Sports teams are different from all those other objects of affection. Teams are part of the social fabric of a community. They play in a stadium that we probably paid for. Their name includes the name of my hometown. I'll still love the team long after the current players are gone. How come they can say "we," and I can't? I was here before them, and I'll be here after them. I'm more part of this team than they are."

http://chuckiemag.wordpress.com/2013/06 ... hos-right/

who cares?

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You forget that the fans are the ones who pay for all those players salaries??

Keeping that in mind than yes WE are a member of the Clipper organization.

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Hey after the Clippers ("we") win the series you can always go back to how you won the first game of the series too.

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Keys to the rest of the series:

Klay must stay out of foul trouble and attend to Paul as he did on Saturday. He needs be a factor in every game offensively. Spot ups are great, but he will need to also take it to the basket and hit a few midrange shots to keep the defense honest. Exploit Redick and Crawford at the right moments.

Green must also stay out of foul trouble and frustrate Griffin. With Bogut out, Green's role is magnified in importance. He's a smart, cagey player, and he must rely on those smarts. The refs will blow a lot of whistles his way, so he has to pick his spots for being physical. If I'm Doc Rivers I'm going to Griffin on the block early and often.

O'Neal is the kind of veteran that the Warriors are lucky to have in a back up role as his experience will him overcome the physical advantage that Jordan has. In order for O'Neal to contribute, the Warriors need to keep to ball movement. Limit the iso's.

Curry should continue to take what the defense gives him, and if they double him, continue to keep the ball moving and don't force shots. The Warriors win more games when he scores under 30 points. Still, when the Clips don't double him, he needs to punish them with his shot. He must work the P&R with Lee to get him easy baskets on drives to the hoop and also enable Lee to get the ball in situations where he can find open men around the hoop or on the perimeter, which he does so well. Jackson needs to give Curry his customary blows in the late 3rd quarter and early 4th. His high motor demands scheduled breaks so that he is strong at the end of the game, where he has been one of the NBA's most clutch players. Finally, HE MUST LIMIT TURNOVERS. This has been his Achilles heel.

Lee has to play like he did at the beginning of the season, giving a better effort on the defensive side, and not losing assignments. He needs to duplicated his efforts from Saturday, playing the second half with the same energy, intensity, and focus. He is often a first half player. That must change. For him to flourish, the ball has to move and the Warriors can't stagnate on offense. The Clippers would be wise to continue to pressure Curry and to lure Jackson into iso's with Barnes and Lee. That would play into the Clippers hands.

If Speights can play with the same focus as he did on Saturday, his minutes will help mitigate the impact of the loss of Bogut. Make Griffin and Jordan work on defense, and help out with Griffin when he gets to the basket.

There will be times where the Warriors need points from Jordan Crawford. But Crawford can take the offense out of their rhythm if he is not making shots. Jackson will need to go to him more than in game 1 and clarify his role so he knows how he is being used and what is expected of him. He is one of the Warriors wild cards for sure.

Speaking of wild cards, if the Warriors are to win this series, Steve Blake will play a big part in limited minutes. He is a veteran who plays smart and is a clutch shooter. At some point in the series he will have a big moment. Though I still think the series favors the Clippers due to the loss of Bogut, it is players like Blake that give the Warriors a heady advantage in many respects.

Then there is Harrison Barnes. Though he has been a disappointment this season, he played a strong game on Saturday, and there is the hope that the will duplicate his post season performance from last season.

Lastly, there is Iguodala. I think he is going to have a really big series, and I don't think that Clippers will have an answer for him. He seems to be healthy, and he will be a key player in getting the Warriors moving the ball. Because of him, Curry will have a lot of hockey assists this series. And I think he will have many big moments in the series. Really, at this point, he is there second most important cog.

For the Clippers, JJ Redick should have a big series. He was a great pick up, and that acquisition has really paid off for the Clippers. However, he will be exploited by Kay and Crawford. It will be interesting to see if Granger gets on track. He is the x-factor for the clips. Matt Barnes was also a great pick up for the Clippers, and I think he is very important for them. Yet something tells me he will have a quiet series. Chris Paul will play every game like the stud that he is, and he will win at least 2 games by himself. I also don't see Griffin having a bad game from the point forward. He should dominate moving forward.

I had originally picked the Clippers in 5 only because I feel that the loss of Andrew Bogut, who is so vitally important to the Warriors, tipped the scales to the Clippers decisively. I still feel that way. But with the Warriors getting a win on the road, I can see this series going 6 games.

My mind says Clippers in 6 and my heart says Warriors in 6. Let's hope karma does its thing.

For the Warriors to win, Klay, Iguodala, and Curry must play big games, and Green must stay out of foul trouble and minimize the damage done by Griffin. It can happen, though I wouldn't bet on it. Losing Bogut was a bitter pill to swallow.

Hugs and kisses, Clippers fans!

XOXOXOXO

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So Mark Jackson walks in on his wife f*cking their priest? Mama there goes that man.

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While you make a good point, this is actually incorrect in regard to the warriors. They don't in fact wear the name of their fans' hometown on their jerseys.

Still, it's hard to blame them when that hometown is the arsehole of the beautiful golden state. A cheap trick... like Oakland's residents using the term "bay area" because they can't bear to speak the name of their city aloud.

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Touche, but I would argue that this is our neighborhood Warriors troll that is more than likely a Flakers bandwagon fan in disguise. He wouldn't have a clue about being a loyal fan if he is. Is that you sticking up for Kobe below @RickBlaine pre-op?

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Speaking of Kobe, he's now demanding that the Lakers trade their pick because HE doesn't want a rebuilding process. What a joke!

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Blake dropped the ball by being in foul trouble all game but tonight.....

look out warriors....

This is what's coming right up your ashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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You responded to yourself by saying "though he is not the same level as Paul", there's a huge gap in their levels as players, don't get it twisted.

Why would it be? Doc wasn't coaching the Clippers last season, why would it be in the back of his mind? You don't make sense

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They have a pick? Is Kupcake on vacation or something? He needs to hit the phones and ship that bad-boy out before all the washed-up 40-year-olds get taken!

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lets just ignore "RickBlaine"

he's responses aren't noteworthy...

back to the warriors losing the series begin with tonight........

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