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DubNation
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First off, I would just like to ask if I as a warrior fan am allowed to post on this site. If not it's perfectly fine and I understand (SbNation makes you wait 3 days til u can post)

Also game 1 was pretty intense, as a Warrior fan and as a fan of basketball I was really hoping to see Griffin really play in this game. Right now I feel like griffin is the 3rd best player behind Lebron and Durant, and to see him foul out of a game so early is kind of like watching a heat game without Lebron.

As for the infamous no call at the end of the game well...usually I would say 'no calls' go both ways however in an instance like what had happened last game, where we reviewed the play. We saw that the refs missed a call with the help of the instant replay however we couldn't correct the call. It made no sense to me, I know as a warrior fan if this happened to curry I would be pissed.

And finally can we just stop talking about all this 'he's a flopper no he's a flopper' business. Look Blake is 6'10'' 250 lbs is a push or a tap on his arm going to hurt him at all? Most likely no, however will that affect his shot? Of course it will. Same goes with any other player like Curry or Harden.

Just like the Houston Portland series I feel like our teams are pretty even, and the rest of the series should be fun to watch.

So I just want to know who do you guys/girls think will win tonight and who do you think will have the edge going back to oracle.

RickBlaine
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Dubnation,

Let me make this clear. We Warriors fans don't like the Clippers and their fans, and they do not like us. Rinse and repeat.

Got it?

Clippersfan86
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Welcome. Of course you can post. Just understand that during the heat of the moment you are on a road forum basically. People may not be particularly nice during games (although they do need to abide by forum rules). After the games though when things cool down, this is a friendly forum for the most part. I knew from day one that the series would be competitive as in a game by game basis. I don't expect any blowouts really. I still have us winning in 6 if the refs don't screw us like they did with Blake playing 18 minutes. Sure Iggy/Lee are important and were in foul trouble, but they mean NOWHERE near as much to the Warriors gameplan as Blake does to us. As you could probably tell... the Clippers were ahead double digits with Blake, the minute he got benched.. sputtered and got behind. Our offense is centered around Blake. People think taking CP3 out of the game is how you stop the Clippers, but it's actually Blake who's key. CP3 goes to the bench and we are still the best offense in the NBA. Blake goes to the bench and our offense is complete ****.

No doubt both teams got screwed over reffing wise. From opening tip the shitty refs made it clear they were going to control the game with soft ass fouls. It affected both teams tremendously. The Warriors no doubt deserved to win at the end. They were playing harder and the Clippers shot themselves in the ass time and time again with TO's and missed FT's.

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Elaborate.

LuckTheFakers
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I wouldn't say the Warriors "no doubt" deserved to win at the end. They were choking at least as much as us. I think they only scored one bucket in the last few minutes, the Barnes' three after CP3 missed a layup (because he got fouled but whatever). It was pretty clear that when Griffin was in the game and the Clippers committed to defense, the Ws couldn't do anything, which is why this is and will continue to be a lopsided matchup so long as our key guys can stay on the floor. It's like everyone overreacting when AI's Sixers beat the Lakers in game 1 of the 2001 Finals. Everyone knew which team was better and which team got a fluke win. It won't happen again.

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Sure... GS almost choked it away, but the bottom line is they made the final plays when it counted. We missed 3 or 4 free throws in the last minute or two, had 2 or 3 incredibly stupid unforced turnovers. We deserved to lose at that juncture.

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The Loss of Blake is much greater than any one Warrior player.... but when you combine Iggy/Lee in foul trouble all night as well, and the loss of Bogut period... it's a weak ass argument to ONLY look at Blake getting shafted by refs. Crawford/Collison+missed free throws+Doc keeping Redick benched way too long when he was on fire+dumb turnovers= loss.

DubNation
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I don't have the time to bash the clippers or their fans. I'm a warrior fan as much as I am a fan of basketball. I'm not going to go out saying a team with 2 of the top 5 players in the league (looking at the MVP Ladder Griffin #3 Paul #5) is terrible. Just like I'm not going to bash the Miami heat, or Okc. I just want to talk basketball, and let the teams hash it out on the court. If we pull off the win tonight though, we should have no problem closing the series out at home though.

LuckTheFakers
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Which final plays did they make? Yeah Barnes hit one three, but CP3 hit two. They missed just as many FTs as us. CP3 had one bad turnover and one ridiculous non-call which gets credited as a turnover but, even in real-time, the refs knew they messed up. I mean, you can make a case that we choked but they did just as much, if not harder.

The bottom line is that the only reason this game was close at all is because Griffin played 50% of his normal minutes. When that happens, yeah, I'll concede that the Warriors are about as good, maybe even better, than the Clippers, because Griff is probably our best player right now. It's like I said about the 2001 series-- you take Shaq out and I'll give the Sixers a puncher's chance there too. But when our squad is on the floor, these guys aren't in the same league. Maybe that sounds cocky but it's just the truth, just as much as saying Charlotte can't beat the Heat as long as Lebron is on that team.

DubNation
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Yea I think Crawford missed a Technical ft, Collison missed a ft and paul went 50% from the line. I'm surprised Deandre hit 2/2 when we hacked him. You also can't forget when collison tried to catch the ball with one hand and let it go out. OR when Collison stepped out of bounds during the end. That game was a thriller though, both teams didn't really seem like contenders down the stretch missing fts and not executing their game plans.

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Not true. We hate the Warriors, no one said anything about the fans, but you came on our board an started right in on us. You wonder why we don't adore you as much as you seem to adore Bogut. My best friend in the world (aside from my wife) is a Warrior and Giants fan,but,he doesn't troll boards and try to pick fights.

If I recall you started on this board calling us all out for being crybabies (and it turns out we were right about the officiating) and whiners and calling our number one guy who sat an entire game a flopper when he didn't log enough minutes to do anything (16 points in 18 minutes ain't too shabby). Why do you think you are disliked by every member here. You come in looking for a fight. Troll by definition.

WubNation comes on here shows class when he is on another teams board. The respect you would probably expect if you spent time on your own board rather then here.

Can you see the difference at all?

LuckTheFakers
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There were a ton of things that led to this loss, but all that really matters is Blake riding the pine, cuz if he plays 10 more minutes we win. GSW is MUCH better with Bogut but he is not in this series so I'm just talking about the teams as is (with a healthy Bogut they probably go 7). Iggy is a nonfactor in this series-- he is there to shut down swingmen and we don't rely on them. Lee played 35 minutes and didn't have to go against Griffin for half of that.

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Can you see the difference,Rick?

DubNation
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Well I wouldn't agree with you there, to be honest I think we can take you guys in a 7 game series I mean we did win game 1. As much as curry can't guard paul, reddick crawford or collison can't contain thompson. And i just feel griffin's offense gets offset with lee's.

sz123456
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As far as the game tonight goes, don't think the referees will give you a chance. I don't like it, but just as the officials make "make-up calls", they will have a "make-up game" tonight.

Very curious about what will happen up in Oakland. It's a very tough crowd up there, but hopefully our encounters with the out-of-control fans in Memphis the last few years has gotten us used to that kind of environment.

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@WubNation your counterpart has been here on our thread giving you guys a bad name to be honest. Trolling our boards on various accounts, even was sticking up for Kobe a few accounts ago.

There was a lot of bad calls the last game, but as everyone has said there was more then enough chances to get past that. I personally don't think the bad calls were to win anybody the game; but to make sure it stayed close.

RickBlaine
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Is this a heated rivalry or a church picnic?

Clippersfan86
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So you think Blake is better than Bogut+Iggy+Lee all combined? Comon bro. Blowing all those FT's and the turnovers hurt us worse.

LuckTheFakers
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OMG how obtuse are the GSW fans? Is it something in the cold norcal water? You won game 1 because Griffin played 19 minutes. You guys couldn't do dick when he was there. If Griffin plays 19 minutes every game, you will win the series.

Lee played 35 minutes. And you guys barely won. Let's even those minutes and we'll see what happens. Well, you can see tonight.

LuckTheFakers
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I think Blake is way better than Iggy. Bogut isn't playing this series so there's no reason to talk about him. Lee played 35 minutes. What am I not saying right here?

Clippersfan86
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BTW I didn't realize Lee somehow played 35 minutes. Thought it was like 25. So I guess Blake's loss should get more credit than I'm giving it.

LuckTheFakers
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You don't even have to go to the box score. Wasn't it obvious how much better we were when Griffin was on the floor? Then he gets these completely horsesh*t calls to put him on the bench in both halves. I'm sure the league told the ref crew tonight not to do that (which is why the sport is so fishy), so Griff will play 35 minutes and rest in the last quarter of the blowout.

Clippersfan86
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I'm probably the biggest Blake homer here, or at least one of them. So you don't have to convince me how great he is. My thing is... even without Griffin we had so many chances to win and choked with errors. That's a much bigger issue that needs to be addressed, or we are going to be out in the 2nd round even WITH Griffin playing 40 minutes. The lack of composure and consistency on defense was VERY troubling to me.

LuckTheFakers
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That's where I disagree. I'm not saying the Clippers played a good game but you have to understand, the Warriors are not a very good team without Bogut.. so we don't HAVE to play a great game to beat them, so long as CP3 & Griffin are on the floor. The fact is, we almost beat them without our MVP candidate.

Since we're heavily invested in the Clippers, just look at it from an outside perspective. The Bogutless Warriors are probably a slightly better than average team, like, say the Timberwolves. Would we really be so scared about being down 0-1 to the Wolves? No, of course not. So why are we scared now? Because we think our team is worse than it is because we lost a game without Griffin. Well, if we were playing the whole series without Griffin, I'd be scared too. But we aren't.

DubNation
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I don't control the minutes Blake griffin gets when he enters the game bro. That's on him and the refs don't blame me. And to be quiet frank apparently we could do '----' while he was playing because he fouled out. Hopefully the officiating tonight will be better though, I want to see Blake play. Collison though had ample opportunities to change the game and he didn't he missed fts lost the ball out of bounds on a fast break and stepped out at the end.

LuckTheFakers
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Yep, totally agreed. I'm just saying that it's very unlikely Blake will play less than 30m in any of the rest of the games so y'all are f*cked.

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Know what this is called? Shortsighted. I'm looking at the next rounds, not just this one. Sure we SHOULD have won without playing great.... but that will bite you in the ass eventually. By now our guys should be more disciplined on defense. It's like.. they lock up when they absolutely need to... but take too many plays off during stretches. Remember that stretch in the 3rd quarter where we gave up like 6 dunks because our bigs were trying to close out on Curry and not rotating back? That's 12 points right there! **** like that absolutely CANNOT happen more than once or twice a game if you want to hoist the Larry O'Brien trophy. The fact that we gave up a few dunks off the same exact high low play between Lee/O'Neal in a 5 minute span or so says a lot.

So although you want to focus on one game we should have won.. I'm focusing on how we are playing in general for the playoffs. DJ for example... first half looked dominant. I said yay, he's over his playoff hump. Then what does he do second half? Gets DEMOLISHED by everybody he guards. A true DPOY candidate has to play D for an entire game when it counts, not a half. There is so much to pick apart from game one, that it's incredibly illogical to sum everything up to Blake's absence.

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No, we are not obtuse. Some let their homerism get in the way of reason, like my friend here, Dubnation. But not all of us. The Warriors will most likely lose this series without Bogut. (See my recent post in the Game 2 thread about the impact of Bogut in matchups with the Clippers). Over a seven game series, the Warriors do not match up evenly without him. And its a pity, because this would have been a much better series were both teams at full strength. Seeing the dubs lose to these pieces of work is going to give me a stroke.

DubNation
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Thank you! Look I think Bogut is a great player but he is not a player I would attribute most of our success too. We have a strong core of curry thompson and lee, for you some clipper fans to disregard those 3 players as being mediocre is crazy to me. Then you add a legit savvy big-man veteran in O'neal, Our glue guy Iguodala, our high energy players like barnes and green. Not to mention Blake and crawford as well. I still think this series can go either way but I like our odds.

LuckTheFakers
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Oh, I misunderstood you. I thought you were just talking about this series. Yeah, certainly the team needs to play better to beat OKC, but there's no reason to panic after the first playoff game with all of the jitters and what-not. We know what the Clippers are capable of and I trust that Doc will figure it out. Heck, he needed 7 games in the first two rounds with the 2008 Celtics and they actually got better over time, needing only 6 in the last two rounds.

Also, keep in mind that it's not just what Griffin brings individually; the whole team is setup around him being there to draw doubles and make passes. We're going to struggle when suddenly we lose 20m of Griffin and have to fill in with Davis (who performed admirably). It's a trickle-down effect.

I just see these GSW jackholes getting confident because they think they beat our team, when they were really beating what amounts to a 2nd unit.

Clippersfan86
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I'm not panicking... but IF GS goes up 2-0 or 3-1.. we are likely toast.

LuckTheFakers
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GSW won't go up 2-0 or 3-1, but I honestly wouldn't even panic then because I know for a fact this team can beat them four straight.

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Warriors are good, there is no doubt. They were the 5th best team in terms of SRS, we were 2nd (although the gap is pretty big). With Bogut I had us winning in a very competitive 6 or 7 games due to Doc Rivers coaching edge+Blake Griffin/Chris Paul+Depth advantage. Without Bogut I thought maybe a competitive 5-6 ish. That being said... another troubling thing from game 1 is that Doc was outcoached. He just made a few dumb decisions that cost us. Redick being on the bench most of the 4th when he dropped 20 points through 3 was incredibly STUPID.

DubNation
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Are you even a warrior fan or just a troll? I don't think you've seen any of the warrior games this season. We split the season series with the clippers two seasons in a row, Bogut is great but we can suffice without him for now. Lets be honest Curry didn't even have a great night himself he shot 6-16 don't expect that trend to continue. Especially not in Oracle.

At least I support and root for my home team. I don't go on road forums to bash other teams and their fans only to say that the warriors will lose the series...

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Not sure how intentional that was... but I like it!

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DubNation
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I would like to apologize for what that guy rick has been saying. I pretty much lost all respect for him after he said he was picking the clippers to win the series. Only a weird individual would go on a road forum and bash a team and their fans only to say that their team is going to lose the series.

LuckTheFakers
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Haha that was unintentional but wholly appropriate!

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Buahahahaha.... I like this guy....

but eitherway.... i disagree with you on this forum (sorry)

LuckTheFakers
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I like Rick. He speaks his mind. He doesn't think his team will win, which is the correct answer, but he still is on here talking ****! Stop sugarcoating your REAL feelings dubnation. Wah wah may the best team win and hope no one gets hurt! F that. I hope we beat you guys by 50 tonight.

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You control what you can over the course of the series..

Fact of the matter remains, even with everything going on during game 1 the Clippers had plenty of opportunities to seal the game and possibly win it.. Careless turnovers missing shots and missing free throws did us in. The only problem i have with the refs is that they are not letting the players play(mind you for both teams). Its the playoffs let the boys be boys this ain't the WNBA

DubNation
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Yea I totally understand, not trying to convince you to switch teams Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_24

But that guy just made no sense. If I had league pass though clippers would most likely be the team I'd watch. All the action happens during clippers games...popcorn gape

DubNation
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There's no doubting how I feel my friend. I want the warriors to win the series. I'm not going to stoop to your level though, at the end of the day it's just a basketball game to me. If it means more to you then so be it I can't control you. I'm too old for this type of WWE drama stuff, I find it humorous more than anything. To say the warriors have no chance is ridiculous.

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Not weird, Dubnation. Just realistic. Without Bogut, the Warriors are hamstrung against a team as good as the Clippers. Were he healthy, I would be picking differently.

Tonight I will be wearing my Golden State polo shirt, yelling for my Dubs, and screaming obscenities at the refs and at the Floppers. Will you not be doing the same thing? To paraphrase Franklin, lets hang together lest we hang individually.

DubNation
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True, and I am worried about the clippers Blake Griffin is a huge part of ur offense no doubt. I mean I watched the grizzlies clippers series last season, how you guys won pretty much the first two games because you took zbo out. However when zbo stopped getting in foul trouble the grizzlies won 4 straight. I just hope that doesn't happen in this scenario. We'll see though.

LuckTheFakers
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You are right. CP3 could get injured. Blake could get injured. The refs might strike again and put our best players on the pine. Jackson might send his merry band of instigators in to rile up the Clippers and we could get a bench clearing brawl and lose key players. Lots of things could happen that could give you a chance to win.

But if we are talking a straight up game on the basketball court with no funny business, it's OVAH ROCKY!

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Weren't you just saying earlier that name-calling is a sign that you've lost the argument?

DubNation
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Look I have the same Blue Golden State polo shirt, but if I was going to bash the clippers and call them floppers I would at least root for the Warriors. You might as well a baby blue chris paul sleeved jersey.

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Since you like old Benjamin so much, here's one for ya...

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid".

I'll say this for you... you're a hard worker.

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Rick is having a hard time coping with the probable impending disaster so he comes on and even bashes his fellow fans, then tells them to be like him.

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Uh, when did I bash DubNation? I simply chastised him for fraternizing with Clippers fans. Nor did I tell him to be like me. Reading is fundamental.

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