Blake Griffin and Chris Paul Become Equals for Clippers

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FreaKeyy
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"You figure out ways to make things work every yearI think last summer was big, because we spent a lot of time together - not just (in Los Angeles) but also in China, doing tours (for their shared Jordan brand) over there. We went to (Las) Vegas - we worked out in Vegas a little bit. Little things like that helps build the relationship." Building a house that's geared toward greatness didn't hurt, either. When Griffin made the move from Manhattan Beach inland to Brentwood in 2012, he made sure his work day didn't have to end when he got home. He....

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Clippersfan86
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They aren't even equals. Blake is CLEARLY the better player right now.

clipperboy24
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Yep no question about it.

ClippersDA
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Agreed but cp3 is always injured, which doesn't help his case

clipperboy24
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Yeah it's like dwyane wade (to a lesser extent of course). Great player but his durability is an issue. Also he just is a better second player and needs a true superstar to get him there. He's a Scottie pippen not a Jordan like Blake

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I think Blake is a slightly better player overall, but CP3 is still a great clutch player. I love Blake, but he's not proven to the be the most clutch player yet. He's had a few nice plays at the end of games, but he hasn't done it consistently. It's difficult to judge who's the better player since they're so different. Blake can be an unstoppable scorer at times and he's a physical beast. He's probably the most athletic player in the NBA after Lebron. CP3 on the other hand is the best assist-man in the game and even though he's not the fastest, the strongest, or the best shooter, he has such a high basketball IQ and he rarely makes the wrong pass.

How could I choose between the two? It's like picking a favorite child haha.

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The relationship has definitely changed between them. Blake used to very much defer to Chis on court and now it seems much more equal. Like they are working it together with Blake more as the principle guy which is a big shift from last season. And it means that the Clips have got better as team because of it.

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Blake is the better player for an entire game.

Paul is the better player during clutch time.

Silasie
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I don't think it is just about who is the better player it is also about the hierarchy within their relationship and the roles they are taking and how that has changed.

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Blake is the horse and CP3 is the jockey... we need them both to win the race.

JQuick32
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In fairness, Blake has had some clutch plays of his own. But it's harder for bigs to be clutch in the NBA than guards, simply because refs are more inclined to swallow their whistles and it's generally harder for them to create their own shot. There's a reason why Dirk is a huge exception and not the norm.

Blake is clearly the better player now, though.

Icecoldclipper
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Think a third guy going this post season scoring wise is the goal. Redick, or Crawford or whoever we need a player looking to put up number to cover in case the Paul injury gets worse.

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Blake's defense was incredible in game 2 and Chris's was some of the best I've ever seen from him. They both never let up on either side of the floor.

Our 1-2 punch is the best in the NBA by a decent margin.

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Durant and WB is probably better but besides that yea I agree.

CP3 was mediocre offensively but his defense was ridiculously good though Curry statpadding after Chris left the court made it look like he did a mediocre job. Blake was a monster on both ends especially offensively. 35 points on like 17 shots speaks for itself. The Warriors have NO ONE to guard him with Bogut out. He should feast this series assuming he doesn't pick up ticky tack fouls like the first game.

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That Is the weirdest analogy ever. Blake is nothing like Jordan and CP3 is nothing like Pippen.

And no I don't agree that Blake is better than CP3 YET but he certainly has been more valuable this season especially considering CP3 missed like 1/4th the season.

Comparing CP3 to Wade is interesting but even he isn't as injury prone as Wade probably because he actually has a jump shot and doesn't rely on his athleticism as much.

Anyway I think they are both a lot closer as players which is a good thing. I can see Blake overtaking CP3 by next season but we will see. It depends on how much Blake improves and I think CP3 could play better than he did this season to be honest. He was very mediocre after coming off that shoulder injury but did play better later.

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I would've liked to have seen the clippers resign bledsoe and trade paul for some all star wing player.

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I agree with everything you said except for the Blake isn't better than CP3 yet. I don't think CP3 is better either but think they are about the same level. It's really hard to compare as they are totally different positions. They bring totally different things to the game. CP3= best passer, stealer, leader, great defender. Blake = great scorer, explosive, great all-around game, really improved defender.

I still trust CP3 more in the 4th, but if Blake becomes the clutch, go to player in the 4th during this playoffs, he will no question surpass CP3.

CP3 = best PG

Blake = best PF

Both are top 5 players in the NBA when healthy.

ClippersDA
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Just once can cp3 be healthy in playoffs? If this hamstring thing is really true

(And he isn't moving that well)

How do we beat okc or Memphis even if we get by warriors? It's a shock now if he's healthy.

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While I'm one of the biggest Blake Griffin fans there is, I can't agree that he's better than Paul yet. I'm ok with saying they're equals but better, I can't. CP3 does what a PG is supposed to do, which is distribute the ball and make his teammates better, he can score when he needs to, but his Defense is probably the thing that stands out to me. Blake is elite in my opinion, he can light up the scoreboard, he can also distribute the ball and make his teammates better, but just not better than Paul yet. They're hard to compare because of their jobs on the court, but they're both elite in their own positions.

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it would make sense in the respect that the team would have bigger window of contention with Bledsoe than with Paul. However, if the Clippers would have done that we would have been criticized heavily

clipperboy24
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One is the star that will lead to a championship (Blake) and the other has lrove. He can't be the number one guy to lead to the finals (chris) but they need each other. Not really that crazy of a statement, some fans need to be able to think outside the box

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Yeah I think it would have been the better value love but there is no way anyone would have done that.

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From an outsiders POV, both of these players are first team or second team All NBA. Griffin has come a long way this season. His outside shot and free throws have bridged the gap, and he is pretty scary out there. Paul's injury in the middle of the season turned out to be a blessing for your guys. Griffin stepped up and showed leadership through his play. And Paul is just terrific out there. A true Hall of Famer.

Warriors!

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Yea, moving Paul and keeping Bledsoe would be a bad move. Look at the most successful team we've seen over the years, SA. Unless you're getting the Lebron James or Kevin Durant, consistency is actually your best ally. You fail, you re-tool and try again and you lather, rinse, repeat, but you keep your core guys intact and it is the periphery guys that you tweak and rotate and change.

Also you don't move a sure thing superstar level player who is still young for the hope of a guy like Bledsoe being able to replicate that impact, it's just not wise. Then in addition, you look terrible as a franchise for just trading Paul who just gave your team the best 3 seasons its ever had because you think a young guy could possibly be good. Lastly, its even more foolish because you could just keep Bledose and play him as a SG or adjust your roster and play him as a PG/SG 6th man off the bench. It's just too foolish, and now instead of guys like Granger wanting to sign with LAC, those guys are going to SA and Miami.

They are getting a lot closer to equals as players, and I love it. We need to high level star players, and Blake has been reached that stage. They both bring different things that benefit a team greatly, and in different series', I believe we'll get to see each of their little advantages come out in terms of helping the team to succeed. This is great for the Clippers future, and Blake certainly has the tools to be the best player on the team, and that's what CP was saying in the summer himself. If a 5'11 quite fairly athletic guy maximizes his talent (which Paul has really done) and a 6'10 freak athlete (despite short wingspan and reach) maximize their talent, the 6'10 guy should be the one coming out on top in terms of his in game impact, whether the gap is little or not, the height and athletic ability is an extra advantage, especially since they are both high IQ players.

So let's just hope Blake continues to maximize his talent, because his maximal talent is being on the level of Lebron and Durant as a player, and if we had Lebron or Durant, then yes, Paul can be the other high level star. Their are a few ways to win, sure, Paul could be the best player and we win, but we'd likely need a strangling defense if we don't have another similar level supporting star to really be able to compete against the highest level teams. It's not really anything against Paul, realistically, it is the same situation for any star.

Sometimes its even just matchups, one star can fall into a matchup that just restricts him, and if you don't really have any other player to take away the load, it's hard. I mean look at Durant, Paul is smaller than him, but Tony Allen defends Durant better than he defends Paul, it's just what it is. Then of course with just one high level star and even a secondary All-Star, but not high level star, against a more balanced really good team, you're counting on one players ability to positively impact a team to overcome a whole teams ability to produce offense, that's not easy for anyone. Like I said in the game 1 thread, the two best players in the league, Lebron and Durant haven't found it easy to do anything much more than the next tier of elite players can do in the post-season.

Lebron got past the second round twice in Cleveland, once he got to the finals then lost to SA, but his road to the finals had one difficult team, a 53 win Piston team. For comparison, the Grizzlies last year are a better team than that Pistons team. The next time he lost to Orlando and Dwight. Durant has had on season without Westbrook in the playoffs and his team lost in less games to the Grizzles and he produced inferior to the Clippers star against the same team and similar defender (Allen). It's just really difficult to do much alone in the NBA, and even when you get up there offensively, you still need to defend at a high level to beat a team that can also score similarly well if they defend at a high level.

So this is the perfect thing for the Clippers and what I at least have been hoping for since Paul got here, which was that Blake would get his game to a similar level of impact as a player, albeit, both in different and some similar ways, but just the overall impact being there.

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^Yep, a bird in hand is worth....particularly a 1st ballot future PG HOF'r bird. Oy vey.

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