Donald Sterling Racist Comments Fiasco: Updates/Analysis (P. 24)

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Another thing: the trial will be over by July 15th, but the judgement probably won't be rendered by then. Then if Shelly loses, it's all the way back to square 1 with the NBA trying to vote DTS out, Donald getting an injunction and suing, etc. All of that takes a lot of time. It's safe to say that no free agent with choices is coming here with so much sudden uncertainty over our ownership situation - I know I wouldn't if I were in their shoes.

I had gained so much respect for Silver during this process, but he screwed us royally by believing DTS and cancelling the original vote. He bungled the crap out of this sale. He's no better than Stern in my eyes now.

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"This" sale may have to be done by July 15th, but you seem to forget the line of billionaires practically queueing up on Figueroa just a couple of weeks ago to buy the Clippers... or the fact that Ballmer bid $400,000,000 more than the next closest offer because he was just THAT desperate to own an NBA team.

You also seem to forget that the NBA owners can meet whenever they choose and vote Sterling out. His senile babbling has once again resorted to the "constitutional rights violated" argument, when the constitution clearly isn't applicable in a private contract.

For example, we all have a constitutional right to free speech... but this website has its own rules, drawn up by its owner. So when you eventually get banned for trolling (again, "82-0") you'll have just as much recourse under the United States justice system as Donald will when the OWNERS of the NBA kick him out.

Everybody wants him gone and he WILL be gone. It's just that some of us understand that there may be an occasional bump in the road when it comes to closing a $2 BILLION deal. So yeah... declaring the offseason over before it even begins and jumping to the conclusion that Sterling will retain the team IS "chicken little" behavior.

If and when Sterling wins in court and Doc Rivers walks out the door, you'll be right. But until the sky actually falls, you'll be chicken little.

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I've probably been a fan longer than you and I don't agree with you. But lets not play "my dick is bigger than yours", it stops any conversation by playing that game. I'd suggest...Oh crap, I'm talking to JQuick....Nevermind.

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I speak from personal experience,you've hit the nail on the head. Although my fathers fortune was not large,he was a bit senile and started waffling in life like Sturdling is. That was ll it took for my brother to wrestle our family trust and put himself in charge via power of attorney. Once he did that he just bid his time until he could take over complete control (both my parents deaths) then he told me tough shi*sky and took it all. It worked for him, it will work for Shelly too.

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Says who?

It's a 4-day trial to determine if Shelly took control of the trust legally. An evidentiary hearing before a probate judge. There's no jury, no deliberations, just "he said, she said" and a few bought and paid for medical experts on both sides.

My guess - though of course I don't profess to be nearly the expert you seem to be - is that the experts cancel each other out, as they will all be very expensive with credentials coming out of their arses. That leaves Sterling's behavior as a determining factor for the judge.

Let's look at that behavior... he sent a letter to the NBA giving Shelly permission to sell the team and he stated publicly that he has "moved on". Now that the NBA won't rescind the ban or the fine, he's being a d*ck for the sake of "preserving his dignity".

He agreed to the sale. Now he has changed his mind. That letter can only mean one of two things... either he's crazy or he's reneging on a deal made on his behalf and with his permission. He's sh*t out of luck. One way or another, this team is getting sold.

And for the record, the Ballmer deal deal DOES NOT have to be closed by July 15th, merely approved by the owners. It is a binding agreement that is good until September 15th as long as the owners ratify it by July 15th. Ballmer's not going anywhere unless the owners fail to approve him, or unless the sale isn't finalized by mid-September. Even then, he's given no sign that he wouldn't see this through, so settle down, Cassandra*.

* CASSANDRA (noun)

  1. a daughter of Priam endowed with the gift of prophecy but fated never to be believed

  2. one that predicts misfortune or disaster

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This will be a big problem to the NBA and the owners if Donald wins in probate court the indemnification of Shelly Sterling will not matter if the court doest not affirm the legality of Shelly taking over Clippers trust.

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Worst case scenario, the league brings new charges against him for racist comments made during the Anderson Cooper interview and votes to strip him of the franchise.

Willing, public comments that blatantly stereotyped black people ("they don't help their own community"), slandered an NBA legend ("he has AIDS", "he has done nothing for black people"), and were generally detrimental to the global brand of the NBA by virtue of coming from one of its board of governors.

None of this "illegally-recorded", "privacy of his own home" nonsense. And he has no excuse that they're just the ramblings of a senile old man if he has just won a contentious judicial ruling that declared him mentally competent enough to handle his own financial affairs.

Whichever way you slice it... he's f*cked.

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Adam Silver seems very confident that this will end with DTS losing. It essentially just depends on how long DTS wants to drag this on

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Now a former intern is suing the team. Things just get worse and worse This is going to be a wasted summer. I feel like our team is really being put through hell.

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Everyday I can't wait to see what stupid shi* is happening now,like the worst soap opera on TV.

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^^Yep, and then there's this new development:

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/stor ... ms-dig-nba

Looks like Donald Sterling is going all out, determined to go down kicking and screaming, plus drag down others with him.

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He's a despicable pig. I despise him. As a fan, this sucks so much. Too painful

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Welp, this franchise is officially f***ed.

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Silver made a major strategical decision in canceling the vote. Part of me thinks that Blecher is he one driving this. Scumbag wants his payday. eff him

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But it's ok guys, we're just Chicken Little, right? Wake up people, this guy means business and he's going to do everything he can to expose everyone. If Stern is being investigated, it's all over. I know the guy played a hand in sending CP3 here, and so does Sterling. Hate him all you want, but this is a brilliant move on his part and he very well might prevail as a result.

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It breaks my heart but if it looks like he will prevail I'm done with the clippers. I'll adopt wherever blake or Chris go at this point as my new team and pay for lakers tickets when they are in town.

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Silver should have just rescinded the fine and lessened the ban if that was why sterling is now on the warpath.

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How soon we forget. Olshey walked away from the CP3 deal with no intent of going back. So much so, he had a meeting with the players telling them no one was going to be traded. It was CP3 and his agent who begged Olshey to come back to the table. The Hornets also helped the situation by letting Bledsoe stay with us. That's how the deal got done. It was CP3 and his agent, not Stern. Sterling always means business but even if the probate court side with DTS, the NBA still has the upper hand. They finally vote him out and take control of the team for future sale. DTS is done...One way or another.

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Why? So Sterling can then turn around and say he can keep the team since he wasn't banned for life? I bet that's why he wanted the ban and fine lifted.

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How will this end? It's so sad for us fans

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This is turning into an epic episode of 'Suits'. I hope Harvey Specter is on our side...

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But Stern didn't have a role in stopping the Lakers trade???? He pretty much screwed the one franchise to make a contender of another one, regardless of what the other owners wanted. Please don't even think of suggesting otherwise.

I agree that I think Sterling eventually will have no choice but to leave, but he's going to examine everyone before he does. If he finds even one thing on any owner, the NBA has to get rid of him/her and the credibility of the NBA goes down the drain. The thing is Silver was there when the Department of Justice sued Sterling, and yet the NBA did nothing. A smile and dismissal of the question by Silver to Rachel Nichols not going to fly to a Judge.

I work at a Law Office and the partners I work for(will not reveal who, but one of them is a friend of Pierce O'Donnell) think the NBA did act out of line. So trust me, I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.

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You are aware that Stern was the acting owner of the Hornets, right? He acted in the best interest of the Hornets. What the Lakers and Rockets offered was long and costly contracts that would not make them contenders or attractive for a potential buyer based on the added salary. We gave them young and cheap talent along with a expiring contract. The Lakers were just going to dump big contracts and get CP3 along with cap relief. That was highway robbery. Even Lakers fans understood why the POTENTIAL deal was nixed. Sterling has nixed deals too and just like Sterling, Stern was considered the owner at the time.

As far as Silver goes, he wasn't the commissioner when the DoJ sued Sterling so not sure why you bring that up. By that rationale, anyone under Stern is guilty by association. While you may work at a law office, and might understand law, the NBA has it's own bylaws. All they have to prove that is that the NBA is losing money (lost all sponsors) and hurt it's brand by Sterling words. Now, we can argue about the legality of the tape but the NBA isn't being sued for illegally taping him without consent. That's a different matter with another party. But this isn't about the tape, it's about his words on that tape that was made public.

Since those words are now public record, whether illegally made public, the brand is hurt by it. There are by-laws that each owner signs and in that document, there is a by-law in there that they can take action on. That's where the NBA has a leg to stand on. If he's mad about the tape release, he has to take that up with Tranny, not the NBA.

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What makes him SUPER-DISGUSTO-MAN is he was given TWO BILLION dollars to act like he had class and do what is right for Los Angeles and Clipper Nation. That is TWO FRIGGIN' BILLION -- with a B -- and this excuse for a human being turns it down? Unbelievable.

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I am about done too,this is too much drama to follow a sports team. Following sports is supposed to be fun and escape for a few hours,all this teams makes me want to do is escape sports and go back to life.

When they go (players or coach) , I leave the NBA and go to the NHL for my winter sport. GO KINGS GO.

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There is light at the end of the tunnel...Follow the light.

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"The person who spoke to the AP said Donald Sterling reluctantly agreed to hire private investigators after this week's legal proceedings in probate court."

That's the key... "reluctantly".

ClippersDA is right about one thing. This is being driven by Sterling's attorneys. It just gives Shelly even more ammunition in probate court that Donald is bending to undue pressure by those who want his money. They are advising him to fight an offer of 2-3 times the independent valuation of the franchise (even though he already signed a document agreeing to such a sale) in order to line their own pockets fighting a case they know he CANNOT win.

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I would encourage you to do further research on the CP3 trade, as I've had to over the years to all the butt hurt, conspiracy theory Laker fans.

All on the board remember Jason Smith of the Hornets (at the time)? Yeah that Jason Smith, the one suspended for body checking BG in a regular season game. Well........he was part of the deal with the Lakers. Jason wanted a multi year deal, Lakers offered a one year deal. Result, deal fell through. End of discussion.

Even Jeannie Buss is on record describing how the deal fell through, she doesn't call Jason out by name but he was the reason. So please in the future do some further research before espousing nonsense and insulting those of us that have done such. Spread the word.

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And one more thing...

If this "digging up dirt" is merely an effort to shame NBA management and ownership and burn down the house on his way out - as his lawyer implies - there is absolutely no financial gain in it for Sterling. Quite the contrary, in fact. He's paying high-priced lawyers and private detectives out of spite and ego... and for what? Revenge?

If any little anecdote about any member of the association comes to light without indestructible, solid-gold proof of it's validity, the NBA will be on his arse with a defamation suit quicker than Charles Barkley on a box of Krispy-Kremes, thereby leaving him vulnerable to losing tens of millions more in legal fees and a possible judgement against him. But what would his lawyers care? They get paid either way, right?

The more I hear about the actions of him and his counsel, the more I think Shelly has a great chance of wresting control of the trust. As his wife, this is her money too, and he's pissing it up the wall on a fool's errand on the advice of parasites. Add to that the medical evidence - the guy literally does not know what season it is and can't remember things from 3 minutes ago - and he's in for an uphill battle.

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Think these other billionaire owners are going to look kindly upon Donald tryingt o drag them down with him,or will they help counter punch him in the goinal area?

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Yeah, I think "STFU about how we do business" will trump "slippery slope" even for Mark Cuban.

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Donald Sterling couldn't care less about doing the right thing. The man has no morals or scruples. The idea that his waffling shows diminished capacity is crazy. His waffling kept him in the game, got Silver to cancel the vote to oust him and essentially bought him a lot more time. Now it's being said that he is "reluctantly" investigating key people in the NBA? Don't believe it.

Sterling must never be under estimated. Everything he says and does is calculated at giving him some sort of advantage so that he can get his way. He's arrogant, cruel and calculating. If anyone thinks his lawyers are leading him down a path, think again. There hasn't been a lawyer born as shrewdly vile as Donald Sterling.

His investigation of Silver, Stern and other owners is a threat to get them to back off. It's nothing less than an attempt at legal blackmail. Sterling has more money than God and he can't be reasoned with. He's a man who expects to get what he wants and if he can't have his way, he is willing to burn down everything around him. If he were a world leader and had absolute power, he'd be a Nero or a Hitler choosing to destroy the entire world around him rather than give in. If you think this is an exaggeration, just look at his behavior so far and how it has strained any sort of credulity.

Since a person can't get cynical enough when dealing with Donald Sterling, because few can comprehend how vile and self interested a human being he is, one must always anticipate the worst possible scenario when anticipating how he will react and then multiply that by 100. It makes me wonder if perhaps even he and Shelly aren't working together on some sort of elaborate good cop, bad cop scenario that is so sinister we can't begin to anticipate where they are going next.

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The billionaire owners are all going to have skeletons in their closets that they won't want revealed. Sterling is attempting to expose these. He is willing to ruin their lives to keep his team. Don't assume he's just having his four investigators digging up dirt on owners NBA dealings. Think of the worst case scenario and that is where Sterling is likely going; affairs, business malfeasance, illegitimate children, hookers.

If Sterling can intimidate some of the people with threats of blackmail, or whatever else he can dream up, he'll go there. And don't think some of the owners aren't worried about what his investigators might find.

Sterling has cards to play in this game and he will play them all even if he has to deal from the bottom.

This is no fools errand and Sterling is no fool. He's an elitist, arrogant pig who will stop at nothing to win. He has turned down 2 billion dollars to go away quietly. He will spend whatever he has to on lawyers to fight this thing regardless of how many lawsuits are filed against him. He welcomes these lawsuits. He doesn't live in the same rational world or think the way rational people think. To apply that standard to him completely fails to understand who he is.

Just look at his behavior since the tapes came out. He is willing to tell any lie, spend any amount of money, turn down billions to get his way. He isn't like the rest of us, so don't apply any level of reasonable human rationality to him.

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Oh I know what happened(or supposedly happened). I just don't buy it, and I'm not the only one. Sorry, but there is no way you can convince me otherwise that Stern didn't play any role in it. I get it, you love the Clippers and want to have every leg up on Laker fans, but even most loyal Clipper fans that I know even admit that Stern gift wrapped CP3.

Do you think I care what Jeannie Buss supposedly said? Is that the best you can do.

In the business I work in, you have to read between the lines. That's how I look at life. If you have a problem with it I could simply care less.

Don't ever pull the "Do more research" card on me. Trying to make me look ignorant will not work well for you.

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A lot of you seem to forget how the process works. Some cases can take up to 2 years to get resolved. Sterling has done this numerous times, he does it to get the other side to submit.. And I have every reason to believe he's going to drag this out for years. This guy has nothing lose, so he doesn't care if this takes 2 years or more. The NBA can't afford to have a long drawn out battle with Sterling, and the Clippers players and coaches may not be comfortable playing with legal distractions. This is not getting resolved anytime soon and it will get ugly before it gets better.

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31 men are going to be investigated. I have hard time believing that all of them will appear unscathed, especially Cuban.

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@SamMays...

So what you're describing is a madman... as in "mentally unbalanced"... I sure hope that probate judge sees him the same way as you do.

I see him more as being so debilitated that he can sign an agreement that allows his wife to sell the team one day, then forget that document even exists the next day.

And this is one fight where having "more money than god" won't help him. If Paul Allen or Mikhail Prokhorov woke up with Donald's bank balance tomorrow, they'd slit their f*cking wrists!

It's one thing when a billionaire bullies Joe Sixpack into submission, but taking on 29 other mega-wealthy individuals - half of them fellow billionaires - makes him the underdog in this fight.

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And you don't think these guys made enemies on their way up who also had them investigated?

"I'm taking you all down with me" is the last, bitter cry of a beaten man.

What the doomsayers seem to forget is that Silver and the owners are circling the wagons and fighting for a common cause, whereas Donald is not only fighting them, but the ultimate "enemy within"... his wife!

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They can't afford NOT to fight him.

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Man,am I going to save a bundle by giving up the NBA. the tix, parking,booxe,food,i will be able to go on vacation instead of thee Staple Center.

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I don't think anyone has forgotten how long this CAN take. That doesn't necessarily mean it will take that long. And even if it does, do you a lot of care? I don't cause the in the end, the NBA will prevail and we will have a new owner. The ball is rolling and and it won't be stopped. I am almost 100% sure that the team and players will go on as if the team is sold. In the end, that's what I care about.

Time isn't on Sterling's side and the worst for the players has passed.

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SamMays wrote:
The billionaire owners are all going to have skeletons in their closets that they won't want revealed. Sterling is attempting to expose these. He is willing to ruin their lives to keep his team. Don't assume he's just having his four investigators digging up dirt on owners NBA dealings. Think of the worst case scenario and that is where Sterling is likely going; affairs, business malfeasance, illegitimate children, hookers.

If Sterling can intimidate some of the people with threats of blackmail, or whatever else he can dream up, he'll go there. And don't think some of the owners aren't worried about what his investigators might find.

If Sterling EVER tries to intimidate or blackmail any of the owners in any way, it then becomes a federal crime. If he or his attorneys make a call to one of the owners who lives out of state, it is a federal crime. I don't think DTS is that stupid.

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Sterling has cards to play in this game and he will play them all even if he has to deal from the bottom.

Sterling has no hand in this card game.

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Not sure how that will work but I assume Sterling can only use the evidence in court to make his case. I am almost certain that the NBA also grant immunity to the rest of the owners knowing DTS' intent...That is if Sterling can find any dirt similar in magnitude, to his. Anything short of Racism, will be swept under the rug.

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Sterling is not a madman. His submitting was calculated to get Silver to drop the meeting of owners and it worked. Sterling is a megalomaniac who will do whatever he wants to get whatever he wants, damn the consequences for anyone else. He doesn't care about 29 other owners or what happens to them. They are against him, so he would just as soon ruin them as look at them.

Look at his behavior so far. He will burn the NBA down if he can so that the whole thing goes up in flames with him. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. He never has. He is not debilitated. Look how successfully he has already prolonged this thing when it appeared he was done. He is calculating and shrewd. And he just doesn't care about the things that most of the rest of us care about; legacy, decency, the future of the NBA He simply doesn't see anything as being greater than himself.

That's what makes him so dangerous. He will go after all 29 owners, damn the consequences. Virtually everyone who has made a significant deal with him has ended up suing him, coaches, general managers, property managers, you name it. Even some of his own attorneys ended up suing him to get paid. He will take this as far as he possibly can and exhaust every option available and go down many closed roads, knowing they are closed to him, just to pursue this fight.

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If Sterling gets his hands on anything dirty against other owners, even if it has nothing to do with the NBA, he will use it against them as a threat. He has declared war on the NBA and the other owners. He is an angry, evil man and always has been, but now he's just not as good at masking it.

Many people have skeletons in their closet, particularly very rich people. Everyone knows about the skeletons Sterling has. His marriage is in ruins, his reputation is shattered. He's a desperate, angry, racist and everyone knows it. You had better believe many of the other owners are becoming afraid of him and what his lawyers might discover and what they might reveal Marriages, fortunes and more could be at stake for them.

As for Sterling he just doesn't care. He is dying in the bunker while Germany burns and that's fine with him. In fact, if he has to die, he wouldn't want it any other way.

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If Sterling gets his hands on anything dirty against other owners, even if it has nothing to do with the NBA, he will use it against them as a threat. He has declared war on the NBA and the other owners. He is an angry, evil man and always has been, but now he's just not as good at masking it.

Many people have skeletons in their closet, particularly very rich people. Everyone knows about the skeletons Sterling has. His marriage is in ruins, his reputation is shattered. He's a desperate, angry, racist and everyone knows it. You had better believe many of the other owners are becoming afraid of him and what his lawyers might discover and what they might reveal Marriages, fortunes and more could be at stake for them.

As for Sterling he just doesn't care. He is dying in the bunker while Germany burns and that's fine with him. In fact, if he has to die, he wouldn't want it any other way.

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Scary thing ,an insane racist with billions of dollars,something James Bond would have to come in and eliminate.

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I don't think anyone has forgotten how long this CAN take. That doesn't necessarily mean it will take that long. And even if it does, do you a lot of care? I don't cause the in the end, the NBA will prevail and we will have a new owner. The ball is rolling and and it won't be stopped. I am almost 100% sure that the team and players will go on as if the team is sold. In the end, that's what I care about. Time isn't on Sterling's side and the worst for the players has passed.
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