Future of the Clippers Franchise; NBA to Make Sterling Sell? (P. 6)

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Unbelievable how some people are revising history with Sterling. The ONLY good thing he did was open the wallet for players. Since that time (roughly around '03), he still had the Baylor lawsuit, the discrimination lawsuit, the "beautiful black bodies" incident, forced the players to pay for an assistant coach's medical procedure, had to be shamed into paying Dumbleavy after he got fired, wouldn't pay Olshey, had the "Black History Month" incident, heckled Baron from the stands, tried to save Vinny's job when nobody else wanted him back, turned the Doc negotiations into a circus, shut down the....

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Only that wasn't a sting operation. It was a last money grab.

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I didn't do any of those things I listed, so I don't feel guilty at all and have nothing to blame myself for. I root for the players, not DTS, and was always waiting for the day he no longer owned the team. Just because I didn't say "sell the team" every day of my life doesn't make me complicit or a hypocrite. The ironic thing is that if I did say "DTS must go" every day, you'd probably call me a negative troll instead.

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We weren't calling for Sterling's head before because the product on the court was good and he wasn't embarrassing himself in public like he used to. We're now calling for his head because he really fucked up this time and might have sent us back to the dark ages at the worst possible time. If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.
Here's the thing, BlueJays. I'm probably not relaying this very well, but what I'm trying to get at is the source of the moral outrage. I find it really bothersome that....

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Not a conspiracy, just a opportunist. He is Not heavily involved, his name was mentioned in a private conversation. Calling our players and coach and telling them he would take care of it seems a bit much, no? Going on public record and misrepresenting what was said is a bit much, no?

Lil wayne, Kobe (rapist), and Snoop? Those fools are the last ones to be casting a stone. They're doing it for selfish reasons...To get attention.

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I'd call you a troll for a variety of reasons just not for that but I bet you lined his pockets just like all of us so if you did, you're just as bad as those that turned a blind eye.

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Here's the thing, BlueJays. I'm probably not relaying this very well, but what I'm trying to get at is the source of the moral outrage. I find it really bothersome that it is only, just now, that people are calling for Sterling's head ostensibly because "we can't have a racist in our ranks"/ It's just a classic witch-hunt where the wagon is rolling and now everyone has piled on, and I think some people don't even know why they're pissed. I mean, really, is everyone so upset because Sterling is a racist? Did you think they didn't....

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I heard Rick Caruso would like to swoop in and buy the team once and if it becomes available.

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You should read SunTzu or Machiavelli. This is business and in business the rules are "What you can get away with". Fairness has nothing to do with it. DTS has a long and documented history of horrible behavior not only racist but as a human being. He never was called on it because nobody cared about the booger eating Clips. We are now one of the hottest and most visible teams in the NBA with two highly visible players and the whole world knows. He should have been sanctioned for his public comments years ago. His chickens are coming home to roost.

He got set up. He expected privacy and he really doesn't deserve to lose his team over this BUT boy did we get lucky. Fair or not WHO CARES? I don't.We have a weapon. We have a lever to open a can of worms. We want to get rid of him by any means necessary fair, ethical or not. If possible I would steal it. If Magic or anybody else is in a conspiracy and are winning ethical or not KUDOS. The enemy of my enemy is my friend (sometimes). They will help us out of this mess and we can address other issues later.

He plays dirty and he's good at it and I doubt he's senile. You have to play at his level. Don't bring a gun to a knife fight.

PS I haven't seen replies on my e-mail post. To do nothing is bad but to camplain and do nothing is far worse. An e-mail campaign can quickly give Silver ammo to get rid of him. Takes five minutes.

If you think Geffen will be more tolerant because he's openly gay I think you're being a bit naive. He'll be tolerant because he's tolerant. What goes on in his underwear is irrelevant.

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There's definitely some truth to that, as there is with every high-profile controversy. There's always some bandwagoners who hop on and try to look sufficiently outraged.

I think the big reason why this is what finally started the badly needed shitstorm to get him out is threefold.

One, it's the timing - right during the most entertaining first round possibly in NBA history. People already had the NBA at the forefront of their minds and now there's a huge controversy in the league.

Two, unlike past scandals, which were hidden in either conjecture or court documents even though anyone who was paying attention knew he was a racist, this is his voice actually saying it. The audio portion to it lends more gravity to this than his past fuckups. We also live in a dumb and lazy society now where people don't want to read anymore and get all their news in soundbytes, so the audio of him saying this stuff is probably the best way to call attention to it.

Three, unlike his past scandals, which mostly occurred while the team sucked and was irrelevant, now the Clippers are very relevant and very good so people actually care about them, as fucked up as that is.

Regardless, I really think we needed something like this to get Sterling out. It's like ripping off the proverbial Band-Aid. It's going to sting for a bit, but it'll be worth it down the road.

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Money grab or not, The Donald's integrity and character were on full display...again. Sting operations, no matter what there motive, reveals a lot about one's character. What goes around comes around.

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I do agree that Sterling was gonna take this franchise to his grave if it weren't something like this, and I guess overall it may be good to get a new owner in place. Although I didn't think he was a particularly bad owner in the last few years-- certainly not notably so. Like I said, I didn't care about what he did in his personal life or with his other businesses although surely a better person than I would have had moral outrage then (and not just now).

What I do not think is that this is good for us now. And since "now" is a huge percentage of the times we are actually in contention, in no world would I say we "are lucky" (as the fine poster toohiptoslip said above). We had this first round on LOCK and had a VERY good chance at the Finals, at least, and this is now a major distraction (some kudos to JQuick32 for anticipating that).

The best possible scenario would be DTS stepping down prior to our game tomorrow because we would rally behind it. The chance of this happening is probably < 0.01% though.

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No that would be the most short sighted and foolish thing they could do. The players should play and allow due process to take place and a strike can only be voted on by the entire union and it would be foolish to try and call for one when the majority of teams have already gone fishing.

The league can only do so much the real work to remove Sterling started with the sponsors and will continue into the summer and into fall where the real battle would take place.

Steps for removing Sterling by the start of next season

  1. Sponsors gone already

  2. agents steer all potential draftees away

  3. same goes for free agents

  4. Doc and the players vow not to return if Sterling is still the owner come training camp

  5. the union votes that no players will play for or against the clippers while Sterling is still the owner

  6. meanwhile the entire summer there are constant protests of ALL LEAGUE and Sterling interests

the most the owners can do right now is suspend Sterling indefinitely and fine after that its on the fans and the players to push this to the limit so that ultimately if the Sterling does not voluntarily sale the league can seize the team on the grounds that Sterling is ruining the team financially and significantly damaging the nBNA brand which if everything above occurs he would.

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I didn't care before because his action didn't directly affect the team. This time it had and it did in a year where we actually had a shot. Obviously because this has been blown out in the media, it will have a negative effect on free agency, keeping talents, and draft picks. The people in the organizations orked so hard to turn the franchise around only for Sterling to mess it up once again. Do I want Sterling gone? Yes. Because of looking forward to a bright future, I'm keeping my finger cross that Doc, Cp, and BG will stay. Instead of getting excited about the playoff, I'm wondering if the clippers will even show up tomorrow. The day before game 5 and the team didn't practice. FML

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I heard on Clips Nation that the players showed up for an impromptu practice today. Doc probably cancelled practice as a formality to keep the media away from the team.

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That is excellent news!

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Our team website is a joke right now.

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Does it bother anyone else that this tape violates our constitution? I wonder...

Icecoldclipper
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I'll be damned if people going to call me or others out as a fan for supporting the players on my home team. Its always been to hell with Sterling and he took it to a whole new level now with his racist bullcrap. We were all hoping things may have changed and everything would be getting better overall until he died. people that trying to say clipper fans can't pass judgement on that piece of crap for being a fan of the players and the struggle and underdog nature.

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The media is making this situation worse with speculation that is devastating to us fans. Like that our coach and players will leave this summer and go to lakers. We have gone through enough now.

tense2
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Who going to the Lakers, LOL.

ClippersDA
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Just rampant speculation a blake, cp3 etc

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Ryan Hollins

ClippersDA
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Silver saying he would consider that moron rockets owners demand that our players become free agents is such a slap in the face to us fans. We are the forgotten ones clearly

JQuick32
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Honestly, if Silver lets the rest of the league pick our roster clean, I don't think I can watch the NBA anymore even with a new owner. That sends a message that the NBA doesn't give a **** about Clipper fans, who don't deserve to be punished for Sterling's actions.

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Agreed - it's so unfair that we fans have to suffer like this for someone else's actions. We have been forgotten by everyone it seems

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Something needs to happen to Sterling Silver has to punish him.

ClippersDA
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Silver looked like such a weasel on Saturday I'm not optimistic. Didn't look like he was going to take a stand. He seemed overwhelmed by the moment

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Threads like this are just really disgusting:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtop ... ;t=1318688

Everyone gleefully planning out how to divvy up our players and move our team. Not even a hint of compassion from other NBA fans towards our situation. Pretty sad that nobody gives a **** about us and our point of view.

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I can't support the nba anymore if this happens. They signed contracts with the clippers. Not fair to fans if they leave.

I doubt this happens though, the clips as currently constructed are too valuable.

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Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 7m

Kevin Johnson on Facebook: "We believe that Mr. Sterling should no longer have the privilege of being an owner of an NBA team."

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 3m

KJ: "(DS) should be suspended indefinitely, banned from games, slapped with the maximum fine possible, and forced to extract himself (LAC)"

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Reading KJ's full Facebook post, I'm really disappointed. It sounds like they won't force DTS to sell after all and he knows it. We're so screwed if that's the case.

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Even the FBI aren't allowed to perform such "sting operations" without prior court approval. We don't allow those we charge with protecting us to do it except under extreme circumstances, and we are not allowed to do it to each other. Maybe she "caught" an old racist's rants, but the end doesn't justify the means.

I hope you'd be as understanding if you found out that in order to catch the graffiti artist who uses the same public restroom as you do, the owner had been filming you taking a sh!t for the last two years.

I'd really like to meet the person who has never, ever said something in private that they would be embarrassed about the whole world hearing... if you've never said anything unfavorable about one person to another, maybe you should talk to the Vatican about getting canonized as a saint.

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If this is it, the NBA has failed and we're in deep ****. Sterling won't sell unless he's forced to. It's all well and good to say "we hope you sell the team" but DTS is too stubborn and delusional to listen.

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Here's the thing, BlueJays. I'm probably not relaying this very well, but what I'm trying to get at is the source of the moral outrage. I find it really bothersome that it is only, just now, that people are calling for Sterling's head ostensibly because "we can't have a racist in our ranks"/ It's just a classic witch-hunt where the wagon is rolling and now everyone has piled on, and I think some people don't even know why they're pissed. I mean, really, is everyone so upset because Sterling is a racist? Did you think they didn't....

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You guys once asked me what I would do if the Lakers became top dog and the Clippers faded. I can tell you this: if the Lakers picked ANY ONE off the Clippers roster --other than some scrubs, I would stop watching the NBA.

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It does violate the constitution. He can say anything he wants he just has to live with the consequences. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that she can't publish the tape. She could be sued for defamation of character if the tape is false that's all

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I have no moral outrage at all. This is a great opportunity to get rid of a cancer, that's all. If he were the best owner in the league who had been responsible for multiple Finals appearances I would be the first to support him even if he showed up in a K*K robe. hyperbole of course.

How is the tape illegal? Is there a gag order? I think it is completely legal, slimy but legal

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JQuick32 wrote:

If this is it, the NBA has failed and we're in deep ****. Sterling won't sell unless he's forced to. It's all well and good to say "we hope you sell the team" but DTS is too stubborn and delusional to listen.

Seriously, I thought you were jumping ship? Lol do it already

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I highly doubt this happens. The clippers are valued at 500 million which is a conservative amount not taking into consideration bg and cp3. No way the nah just disbands one of the most popular franchises in today's nba.

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After thinking about this whole debacle the last few days I have thought of the way that it could be resolved. It is wishful think on my part but here goes:

  1. Sterling is indefinitely suspended.

  2. Clipper fans unite to support our team.

  3. Clipper team and staff unite with fans.

  4. Clippers fight odds, refs, and good teams to win first Championship.

  5. Clippers refuse to acknowledge Sterling in any form during celebrations (parades, ring ceremony, etc...)

Option 1 after successful title run.

  1. 1st Championship team refuses to come back for following season if owner is still in position.

Option 2 after successful title run.

  1. When team goes to White house Barrack flops and accuses Sterling of assault and has him sent to Guantanamo.
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