Larry Johnson Appears to Call for an All Black League

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ClipperB23
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Larry Johnson is an idiot, he wants to combat racism with more racism, SMH. The ignorance never seems to surprise me.

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well baseball did that,in the freaking 1920s. That is a racist statement,wonder if he will get in trouble.

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Some of that comments made after that article just shows how racism is alive and well in the U.S. of A ,on both sides of the road. Some of the comments do make me think,just read them

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He is just as bad as Sterling for saying something that stupid. Disgusting.

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Doesn't Larry Johnson work for the Knicks in some capacity? The last thing the NBA needs is for their OTHER most dysfunctional franchise to get embroiled in their own race scandal.

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Are the races even now? Can we get back to basketball?

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Actually he is even worse since he said this in public.

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Until he operates disgustingly run-down apartment complexes and refuses to sell the apartments to white people based on skin color, he's not even close to the same level as Sterling.

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I am comparing his comments to Sterling's not overall scumbaggery.

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Now he can't deny this he is equal to Sterling pure rant of racist.

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Johnson's comments had nothing to do with racism, it is a solution to try to reverse the damage done by white supremacy/racism. Whenever someone black comes up with great solutions misinformed ppl try to equate it with white supremacy/racism

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No offense, but an all-black league doesn't solve anything. It just shifts racism and discrimination to another race instead of eradicating it.

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An all black league will solve many economic issues that have been created by racial discrimination including slavery, Jim Crow laws, etc... Many feel blacks should "pull themselves up" and be self determined as a group like Asians, Irish, etc in America. Well studies show they did it by practicing group economics. Building businesses and wealth together. Same as whites have done in this country.

The difference is we are using race based economics to "pull ourselves up" not hold any other race down.

Not sure any good hearted Human being could be against that.

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What a joke. He can't honestly be serious.

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That would be discrimination for sure, I doubt many would support such an idea.

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I don't see how you're not holding any other race down by having a league for one race only. Why can't everyone pull each other up as a human race?

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An all black league that white people aren't allowed to join is racist. Its saying "you can't do something bc of your race." The whole idea for getting rid of racism is to make a nonissue of race to where people stop bringing it up.

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I do not support an all black league. White players are fine as long as they wear black face and sing "Mammy"

As far as economic unity:

African Americans are a unique group. Our problem is not race it's culture. Nigerian immigrants have a higher economic status than whites and a huge number of blacks in the forefront have have at least one parent who is an immigrant usually from the Caribbean. It is not race. To paraphrase Malcolm X Plymouth Rock did not fall on them.

The basis of every other culture in the world is to better their people. A culture was forced upon us that made us through no fault of our own self destructive. We have always been taught to denigrate each other. Immigrant groups have strong cohesive families. These cohesive families form cohesive social groups. From the time of slavery our families were torn apart and black women had to have the strength of Hercules and the patience of Job just to keep food on the table after their husbands had been made economically irrelevant by racism.

Strangely enough integration hurt black business. In the black neighborhood there were thriving restaurants, markets etc. and we shared the wealth. When all of a sudden we could go to a white owned supermarket that could sell for less than the black owned market, the black owned market closed. This wouldn't have been so bad if integration had increased our income to counteract this but it didn't. I went from the poorest segregated school to the richest white school. The first had a library of maybe 50 books. The white school had a full time librarian and it ain't changed much.

There is also brain drain. Affluent blacks move from poor black areas to affluent usually white areas WHICH IS OK. I don't want to live in South Central no matter what color lives there. They often marry whites WHICH IS OK but they no longer participate in the "Black Experience" To make a crass grossly exaggerated example- average IQ is 100. Let's say every black person with an IQ over 130 leaves. Get the point.

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Everything you said was spot on, but to turn around and say you won't support an all black league doesn't quite make sense to me. There were all black leagues before and documented evidence showed the financial benefits for blacks that came with it. Black hotels, restuarants, bus lines, etc... All thrived due to black leagues.

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I don't know what's more shocking. The fact that he said this. Or the fact that some people agree with it.

I'm sure if someone suggested that we should have a white's only PGA Tour, the internet would explode and that person would be sent to Guantanamo Bay.

Segregation of ANYTHING is extremely wrong. Please stop.

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So to unite everyone as one, we are going segregate the blacks and the whites and going back to the good old 1960's. Brilliant.

It's funny, the African American community are calling for equality and end racism, yet with this he is calling for segregation and separate, but equal. Do anyone read the history book anymore? That's just ridiculous.

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Larry Johnson didn't think it through because there is already a basketball league with the initals ABL.

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Let's solve the racism issue with segregation! Eureka!

Now would only black people be allowed to go and attend the new NBBA games or everybody can watch and just not participate?

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Disgusting solution for a disgusting problem.

Repped. You hit the nail on the head!

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I'm looking forward for the yellow league! It is basically under 6 feet league. I kid!

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you mean the NBA, Larry? Really?

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It's called RACISM. DTS wants an all white audience. What's the difference. None.

What evidence is there that the Negro Leagues fostered black businesses?

First, only a few cities had teams. I lived in Indianapolis, home of the ABC's and the Clowns. In a city with a black population of maybe 50,000 how many are going to ride a bus make transfers to see a game? They didn't have cars. Black fans didn't come from other cities (in the back of a bus). They were local. These people didn't go to a game then have dinner. They went home. They played in a white stadium not a black stadium so all the rental went to whites and they couldn't go to nearby restaurants anyway. If they did they went to the back door. The black restaurants were a bus ride and a transfer away. Bus lines were owned by the city read whites. Blacks didn't make money from buses.There were no black hotels. There was a network of people who rented rooms to black travelers and you planned ahead. There were a few black hotels but not many then only in major cities. I don't think there was one in Indianapolis. A lot of blacks couldn't afford a hotel. They didn't travel in luxury probably cars or maybe the Negro section of a train.

My friend you don't know what Segregation was like at all. Please do more research. I was there.

BTW my great uncle played in the Negro Leagues. Baseball players were considered tobacco chewing hoodlums. He knew Satchell Page, Gibson, Yogi Berra and Ty Cobb. The whites and blacks often played each other. Cobb could slide into a base and spit tobacco juice in your eye. Dad warmed up Satchel Page. My uncle had a winter job on the railroad.

I also want an all white league to help white business.

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Jews were not considered white and faced horrible discrimination. example: They were forbidden to swim in city pools just like blacks

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I am an economics major and have studied this issue in depth. I'm not here to debate anyone because I doubt there is anyone here who is my equal in this subject. My conclusions are from years of study and research. I'm talking facts.

I'm not for segregation nor integration. I'm for aggregation.

As far as negro leagues not bringing business and wealth to black communities, that's your opinion, but documented evidence has proved otherwise. Which is how I know you have not actually researched this topic.

To reverse the economic damage done to African Americans in this country they need to practice group economics. That's not wrong nor racist. There is a china town in every major city, is hat racist? Little Italy. Is that racist? Korea town. Is that racist.

No it's called intelligence. Generally speaking when blacks talk about coming together and building together to uplift themselves it is looked upon as negative and "disturbing". Mostly by those who secretly want to maintain this white supremacy system.

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I don't make light of anyone's injustice. I also wouldn't compare not being able to swim in pools with having 300 years of wealth stolen through slave labor. Also laws created that prohibited blacks from owning businesses in certain industries, and so on and so forth.

The one thing I will say about Jews is they stick together and practice group economics, just like blacks are starting to so now.

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Larry Johnson is trying to undue what Jackie Robinson did. This guy is a joke and is as bad as sterling

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What??

The Jews have endured 2,000 years of horror. The Inquisition, Pogroms in Russia, Hitler and the list goes on. The term Holocaust was coined somewhere around 1200 AD by Richard the Lionheart of England when the English nobles slaughtered Jews to keep from paying debts. They killed or exiled all the Jews in England. To be Jewish you have to have a Jewish mother not father. The reason for this is because Jewish women were so often raped that paternity was uncertain but maternity was. The word Ghetto was used first to describe a poor Jewish part of town, They were not allowed to live anywhere else. There were often walls around them and Jews couldn't be in the main part of town at night. Ni**** or Yid don't let the sun set on you. During the Spanish Inquisition many Jews called Convoursos did become Christian. They were still slaughtered. Until maybe the '50's there were signs that said "No dogs or Jews allowed" There used to be "restricted neighborhoods" This meant no Jews.

TODAY- Many white supremacist groups hate Jews more than blacks. They feel that the Jews are shrewd and manipulative and we are naught but stupid. Please read about the so called Jewish bankers cabal headed by the Rothschild who rule the world. Many Rastafarians are anitsemetic. There are people who believe the Ashkanazi Jews (Russia Poland etc are not really Jews but disgusting people pretending to be Jews and form the bankers cabal. Please check out Morris Dees Southern Poverty Law Report.

The part about swimming pools was an example. Please study your history

Your statements about black group economics is not true. I was involved in a group called Recycling Black Dollars here in LA and we tried that. Guess what. It failed. The white community has a much higher per capita income than the black community and more disposable income. As an investor would you build a hotel catering to people with a $50K income of a $100K income? A black owned hotel that caters only to blacks (read people with a lower per capita income) is doomed to fail. Because it's undercapitalized and not located n a primo location it cannot compete with a Hilton and probably not even Howard Johnson. Invest in a hotel that caters to affluent people- most of whom will be non black.

My friend you are living a dream. This however is really off topic. We can discuss this elsewhere

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I think you might be a little too smart for your own good.

How about instead of trying to help all African Americans as a "group", we just try to make life better for any individual trying to gain economic wealth in America? Just because someone's ancestors happened to live closer to the equator doesn't make them any less/more human than the next race.

Show me one African American person, and I'll show you a human being. We should be trying to make life better for people.....NOT types of people. It's 2014 and I have to explain why segregation is wrong. Yikes!

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their charact......Oh wait, I think I may have stolen that dream from somebody.....Ehhh it was probably nobody important.

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As far as Negro Leagues and money I would love references because economics class or not it makes no sense. Maybe somewhere else but not Indianapolis. Studies differ. I don't know where you are studying but it sounds like your courses have a political bias. As far as group economics I tried that. I was one of the earliest members of Recycling Black Dollars in LA It failed miserably. I owned a black oriented entertainment publication here in LA. We were written up in Ad Week Magazine, had an account with a couple of major companies and did interviews with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Janet Jackson and Maurice White of Earth Wind and Fire to mention a few. We failed. Why? Per Capita income and social class killed us The LA Weekly, the big white publication's ads were around $400/week, some $1,000 Our black clients could barely afford $100. Race and social class are often linked -sorry not be politically incorrect. In other words most black people are low level white collar to blue collar at best and usually have a high school education at best. Many of the upscale black business do not want that type of clientele because they make their money from affluent blacks or whites. One said she didn't want Sapphire and the Kingfish in there. She could afford a $400 ad but didn't want our readers. She wanted Beverly Hills, not Crenshaw (a nice working class black neighborhood) Not racist, economic. Her Beverly Hills customers would not come back. She didn't want to have someone with a Jheri Curl in her shop.

I want to go to an upscale place, I don't care who owns it but more likely they won't be black. Forget racism, undercapitalization is the death knell. Why should I go to a mid level restaurant in a neighborhood that is less safe ( sorry but true) when I can go to Beverly hills and have gourmet food. Not racism. You can walk in Beverly Hills at midnight and be safe. I used a black owned travel agency. I stopped. They didn't have the connections that the white owned one does because fewer black people travel and they don't make enough money to be top notch. How many sushi bars are there in black neighborhoods? Want coqauvin? Don't go to a black restaurant. Buy an expensive suit in a black neighborhood? These are the things upscale blacks want.

Brain drain. Half of my family stayed home and live in a black neighborhood and half left. Those of us who left have higher incomes and don't live in black neighborhoods. The younger generation has no idea what chitlins and black eyed peas or greens and ham hocks are. Half are married to non blacks. Their kids will be for all intents and purposes upper middle class whites. Even blacks who live in upscale black neighborhoods won't shop at a midlevel venue read black owned.

Immigrants are also different because they have to stay together because they don't understand American society.

You are living in 1980 and your Econ prof has his/her head up his/her's as* Been there done that got the red ink to prove it. Ask your Econ prof to invest their 401K in only black owned businesses. Fat chance.

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It's a short sighted solution with far disastrous consequences than most are able to see. I understand that Sterlings comments are profound but agree that segregation is the worst fix to this problem. Where there is segregation things will never be equal.

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I understand the intent. The intent is that African Americans are tired of being used as a revenue source for predominantly white owners. I get that. I also get that having a black league would most likely empower the African American community and give them a sense of ownership, but this sends a horrible message to whites who had nothing to do with these attrocious comments and the discriminatory culture of past America. What message is it sending to fans of other colors? We don't want you here? That is horrible. I prefer the approach that Doc has been preaching all along and showing unity Black, white, and brown all coming together. Not another form of segregation.

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@toohipclip I didn't just learn from an Econ prof that is where you make your mistakes. Like I said this isn't the place to educate you on history, but I know you haven't done the research because I have so there is no argument.

I never said anything about Jews suffering. My point was clear, don't compare swimming pools to black suffering in this country.

You seem to think I am saying only sell to blacks and only buy from blacks. I've never said that. We should own businesses and sell to everyone, don't see how anyone could argue with that.

I too have multiple businesses that sell to everyone. Again it seems like you have more personal issues with being black that are filtering into this argument.

I understand you had a failed business, but that had to do with lack of running it correctly not because you targeted blacks. There are tons of successful black businesses as well as Korean that target blacks.

Again there is no argument. He'll just go read a dr. Claude Anderson book and you'll at least make sense in your arguments.

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The reason why African Americans must act as a group is because our problem is a "group problem"

Have you studied the effects of slavery effects or economics or otherwise? You realize we have not gotten reparations for this ?

I've never said anything about judging people on race. Martin Luther king also said we need to open black banks, take our money and put it in black insurance companies, and buy black. This is documented on tape. Of course you didn't get that in you high school history class.

I'm for every American being empowered. It's interesting that you are taking black empowerment as meaning disempowering others. Of course no one says this to the Jews, Koreans, Italians in this country. It's only when blacks talk of empowering themselves.

I've never said anything about not liking someone because of their race. Please show me where that was in my argument.

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Swimming pools was a metaphor. My point was that Jews had suffered as much of maybe more than African Americans. and for two thousand years.

As far as Black owned businesses I don't need research. I tried all that stuff. We had a group of maybe 100 black businessmen. It didn't work. It wasn't just me. How are you going to capitalize a black insurance company? It's not race it's class King also said that at Riverside. Like it or not social class is becoming as or more important than race. That was my point about my relatives living in white neighborhoods. It wasn't race it was class. The black neighborhoods tend to be of a lower socioeconomic class. That was my whole point. It has nothing to do with race. I don't live in a black neighborhood because I couldn't afford to.

If you want to help the black community forget this Afrocentric Bulls*it. If I have a good idea I'm not going to the black community for venture capital. There isn't enough. I'm going where I can get adequate capital. Push for better schools so black kids can compete, Push for better teachers community centers where kids can play safely. Push for free college education Then they can compete ON THE WORLD STAGE. Then any kid regardless of race will be able to compete on a level playing field. If that is true then race is irrelevant. That's what King said. A kid won't have to be the president of a Black business. they can be president of a major corporation.

A successful black company will either be eaten alive by the big boys or bought out as was our bank. You have no idea why my businesses failed BTW

As far as King's speeches. I didn't need to listen in high school I watched on TV. As far as racism, how about an all black NBA?

As far as my attitude towards race is concerned you don't know enough about me to make a statement. The goal is not to make black businesses. It is to make successful black people. I don't want to be the boss of a "BLACK" business. I want to be the boss of a successful business which may or may not be black owned. As far as No Argument there is always an an argument to academic studies. I've read enough to know that. The goal is to have "a business that happens to be black owned - but what difference does it make." The work BLACK has no place in business

I would suggest you read The Triple Package by Cha and Rubenfield.

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