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MrHispanic323
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The decision made by NBA commissioner "Adam Silver "has been the most disgraceful thing in life. How are you going to ban someone for expressing he's freedom of rights, or freedom of expression in a private conversation? I would like to state that "US" minorities are the most cry babies in the whole Country of U.S.A and who are we to blame? We have every holiday we can think of, we can make fun of "white" people without getting punished, yet One Human that was able to be a very successful person in this planet, expresses he's word in a private conversation....

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JQuick32
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Sorry Donald, but you're out!

As Jay-Z said, "So poof! Vamoose, son of a bitch!"

TheThinkingSomething
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Do you say whatever you want at work? Free speech doesn't work the same way everywhere. If I cuss my boss out, he has the right to fire me. He can't pursue legal action unless it borders something like, say, slander, but the idea is the same.

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To the OP

It's his and not he's and you should be ashamed of yourself, that's the one bit you got right.

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To be fair, if somebody recorded you cussing out your boss at home and played it to him, I suspect you'd be pretty pissed.

As much as he denied it, Silver just cleaned up an old mess that Stern should have dealt with years ago.

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Lol do you really think this troll is a Hispanic? Mrhispanic323 saying nothing but white supremacist rhetoric lol. Get real

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I was wondering if it was a GSW fan trying to wind us up.

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Even though I agree that the private recording of a phone conversation without knowledge should not be condoned, nor should the outlets that release sensitive recordings be without responsibility, I do not agree with many points of your letter, MrHispanic323. A crime is a crime, no matter race. Donald Sterling did not commit a crime, but his reprehensible comments and viewpoints are damaging on so many levels. For a billionaire getting banned from the NBA for life, is worse than probably life in prison for "Black kids killed that poor White Baby"? I think not, LOL.

david
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Nope, this one is from Santa Ana it seems, from the IP info.

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that was probably one of the most distasteful things I have read in a LONG while.

from one "minority" to "another", you're an ignorant, generalizing jackass.

apologies in advance for the name-calling, david.

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There are very few occasions when name calling is appropriate but I think that was one of them.

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Go home, you're drunk.

keephopealive
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I don't take anyone seriously when their grammar sucks that bad.

tense2
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Thank you for opinion Mr. Bundy. Now go get your cattle to feed off of the Federal welfare grassing land you been doing so well at.

keephopealive
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Wtf is freedom of rights?

keephopealive
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The most disgraceful thing in life?

Kmartshopper
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Whoa, the hispanic Uncle Ruckus. Thanks for the laugh bro.

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Freedom of expression with a dash of Bill of rights? Very Happy Razz

toohipcliptoslip
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Great letter dude. I love every word of it. Keep it coming.The more people show their ignorance the easier it is to dismiss them. I have a bit of a letdown after the game and now I can have a great surge of moral outrage. I'm not really morally outraged but moral outrage is a lot of fun even pretend outrage.. Close your eyes and imagine this guy in a clown suit.

Which Hispanic are you? Are you related to Francisco (God I'm glad he's fu*king dead) Franco? Pinocet? Strasser? Somoza? How about the PRI?

I Know CANTINFLAS!

As far as DTS, as my Dad would have said "his only problem is that he stuck his d*ck in the door. " Is your problem that stuck your head in your a**?

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lol at OP being Donald Sterling.

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I may be in the minority here but I somewhat agree with the op. This has been sensationalized and exaggerated so much it's ridiculous and i fear the repercussions may lead to a slippery slope. I don't agree with what Donald Sterling said on those tapes but i wasn't really that offended. You got spoiled and entitled players running up into the stands knocking out fans, bringing loaded pistols into locker room, committing r***, granted it was alleged r*** but if you give kobe that, then the housing discrimination cases were settled out of court also. i think if someone was....

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clipfan63
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Probably a Flakers fan angry that the Flakers won't get a chance to swoop on our coach and players.

toohipcliptoslip
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I agree whole heartedly with his point about privacy bur WELFARE? please!

ponlork
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people shouldn't make pre-judgmental remarks. it just shows that they're no better than him. I think people's reasoning for wanting him gone is more self-serving than anything moral. What I'm talking about is bigger than basketball, it's evasion of privacy and our right to privacy being compromised. i feel uncomfortable even listening to the audio. feels like i'm ease-dropping on somebody's personal matters. but after listening to it again, dude sounds pretty ***** whipped lol i bet the conversation lasted for hours until he got jealous. it's probably more of a insecurity thing, when guys get jealous they can become quite unreasonable when arguing with a girl, just check your PMs you probably know. I just noticed the audio was released on April 26th which was his birthday, man somebody must have really been out to ruin him.

For the record, the Clippers are the only sports team I follow. I don't watch Laker games unless it's to check up on former Clipper players such as Chris Kaman. Yeah i like to do that with Eric Gordon too, heck I watch the Wizards just to see Sam Cassell but it's Clippers first for me. I recall a few days ago some people were suggesting that fans should just choose another team besides the Clippers to cheer for such as the heat or whatever winning team. But when you are emotionally invested into a team, it's not easy to just jump ship and hop onto any winning team. That's the definition of a bandwagon fair-weather fan. win or lose I'm a Clipper for life. It would be disheartening if the Clippers relocate or change their name.

Edit: I was doing a little bit of research, anybody remember the other mistress Donald had in 2002? Her name is Alexandra Castro and shortly after she broke it off with him, he unsuccessfully tried to sue her to retrieve a house he had given her. Apparently those recordings with V. Stiviano were taped in September of 2013. I'm starting to suspect that Donald and his wife are in collusion with each other. He probably broke it off with V. Stiviano during that taped conversation and wanted his wife Shelly to sue her in order to retrieve the cars and gifts he had purchased her. That's just my theory, and V. Stiviano is releasing those tapes as payback.

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Well, I disagree. No precedent is being set here that hasn't been set since the beginning of the nation. The man has been a menace for decades. He did something which was so bad it was causing massive financial damage to the NBA, and the NBA acted well within their rights to stop the damage being done (and he will likely make a Billion dollars from their decision).

It's the same decision any large company or other major group would make about one of their most public figures, and I don't think the nation loses a damn thing when it does happen to such public figures. At it's heart it's the same reasoning behind the actual malice rule for slander - important public figures for groups are held to a higher standard of behavior and endure an extra burden than others, because they enter into such voluntary important public figure functions (and get compensated or given authority accordingly). If you don't like 24/7 attention on you, don't accept the burden of being a public figure, nor the benefits that also come with such positions.

But as for ramifications for the nation in general, I see none here. This isn't a new type of decision for the nation, nor is it the type that directly impacts 99.9% of people in the U.S. and there is no fear of it ever snowballing to impact non-public-figures.

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I can't recall too may times in my 62 trips around the sun where we "white folks" have gone off the rail when a balkc person killed out babies. Now a dingo yes , not a black person.

The one thing to revisit before we continue the rant, it was announced that the recordings were in fact not private but done with DTS, the bimbo and an unnamed person. Public, not private. Which makes him as bad, or worse, that that rancher in Texas.

So I am white. And I raise my hand for yes, he needed to be sent packing.

MrHispanic323
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Aunque no lo creas, Si soy Hispanic.

MrHispanic323
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so what? we seen crimes from minority to minority. Have you done anything about it to stop it?

Icecoldclipper
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Freedom of Speech means you won't or shouldn't be arrested for your words. Consequences for those words can happen to anyone. The biggest factor was when asked Silver said he had no remorse. You can believe what you want but other people don't have to tolerate it.

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Mr. David, with all due respect. How is having someone a personal conversation a crime? I my self say racist remarks in my private time, and if i knew someone recorded me saying it, and playing it to someone else that will have an impact on me, it will piss me off.

He made comments while expressing himself about a race in a private conversation, How is that damaging? Then what about when Snoop and Lil Wayne when on to talk bad about this guy, every one supported them?

Now who are the real racist people here? Us the minorities. We cry about everything. i don't have an issue going against my own race, because we are the one's that are racist. Blacks/Hispanic are more racist than anything now days. We use the race as scapegoat, That's one thing i notice about our community. Donald Sterling has made mistake as many humans have, but he has also DONATED so much money to help those people. Yet they are the one's turning on him because of a private conversation. What does that say about our community? That your not allowed to make a mistake? even though it was during your own private personal time?

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Silver had no choice but to apply the maximum sentence he could to the situation due to the fallout from the release of the tape. Yes, it was a private conversation, and the production of the tape is, in fact, illegal by California law, but Sterlings inability to keep a lid on the situation is further evidence of his incompetence as an NBA franchise owner. This issue, came out of absolutely nowhere, in the middle of the day, and served as an excruciating black eye for the league, during one of the best first rounds of NBA playoff basketball in the history of the league. It's an absolute embarrassment to the NBA as a league, the Clippers as a franchise and organization, the players, the coaches, but most importantly, us, the fans.

How embarrassed were all of you when this story broke? I know I almost wanted to curl up into a ball and cry because it was so hurtful to see that story as the headline segment for every news station across America. As if all the years of supporting this team through it's mediocrity, and down right abysmal efforts weren't enough. We've finally gained some traction, and have a real chance to win a championship, and then this fool get's busted by his side chick. Disgusting. I don't even care of the racism in the comments because it's not in the least bit surprising if you've been a long time Clippers fan.

Silver had to make the decision he made so that the league and it's fans could save face. The only way to come out of this whole ordeal was to at least ACT like we're doing our absolute best to distance ourselves from Sterling and his ignorance. Otherwise, the Clippers wouldn't even have a team right now as the coach and players would probably boycott.

The decision may not hold up very well in court, but for now, Donald Sterlings suspension and fine will serve as a BANd-aid to stop the bleeding for hopefully at least the tenure of the playoffs. Otherwise, there's still a long battle to be fought ahead.

I do agree that it is unfair to Donald Sterling, but I contend that this whole debacle is several time more unfair to us as fans.

smittywerb
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Well, to the OP.

  • Freedom of speech really only covers you when against the government. This is a misconception by people. You are free to say what you want, BUT if what you say is harmful and promotes prejudice against a group of people, then you're not safe. That's why you'll here *** members say they are White Separationist. They are allowed to say that, but they can't say "Kill Blacky" or "Keep Blacky out of our neighborhoods".

  • Also, it has been said that DTS asked his mistress to record the convos because he couldn't remember what he said in previous convos. So, even though the recordings were misused, the mistress did not break the law because DTS gave the consent to be recorded. He put himself in his own crap.

smittywerb
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Basically what I was trying to say in my post. FOS only covers you but so much. People need to realize this. lol

tense2
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This.

Freedom of speech can only protect you so much. You have the right to say anything you want, but once it becomes public then you have to deal with the consequences and there will always be consequences. The severity of those consequences depend on the state of mind in each country or the people you are surround by. Some countries and people are a lot more tolerant then others.

The Donald now has to deal with the consequences of his "freedom of speech".

2 very good articles regarding just that. Recommended reading:

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/articles/f ... t-sterling

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2014/ ... story.html

BringMcadooBackado
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The reason why this was such an inflammatory issue was primarily because Sterling is the owner of the team.

To those of you saying that "we should focus on something that really matters," would you say that same thing to Doc Rivers? Chris Paul?

If you found out, through whatever means, that your boss was racist and you had the means to leave his employ, would you? I'd hope so. This was a huge deal for the NBPA precisely for this reason. If Sterling were a coach or a member of the front office this is a non-issue. Look at Riley Cooper from the Eagles. When you can terminate the employment of the offender, there truly is no problem.

But when the racist is the one signing the checks of the players, making money from the fans and making everyone involved with the team complicit to his viewpoint, that's when the problem needs to be dealt with on a larger level. That is the reason why this is a big deal and that's why everyone is so excited about this.

Original poster, you've gone half the distance by empathizing with the players based on your shared minority status. The next step is to empathize with them as men who have to go to work everyday and want to be proud of what they do for a living.

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Freedom of speech is like freedom in general. We should all be free to do what we want shouldn't we?

Of course we should as long as it doesn't harm others.

And what Donald said and more importantly did in the past has a lot of potential to harm others so a bunch of people stood up and said "not on my watch, not this time." As well they should. If you have freedom of speech you are free to spout racist evil harmful opinions. Should you be able to do this? maybe. Should you be able to do this when in a position of power without consequences and sanctions? NO. Not in a liberal "free" society.

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Sanctions and consequences are in every country and society, the severity/punishment handed out separates what country/societies are truly "free".

Consequences and punishment will always have to be dealt with by the perpetrator.

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I'm just putting this out here: In all this maelstrom, it was said in the media that Donald purportedly knew he was being recorded. Before this tape was released, he supposedly has had his girlfriend act as his personal archivist to record his musings since, according to her, he would forget things.

So freedom of speech or what not, Sterling meant for his views to be known in one way or another, whether for public consumption or not, it's now out there for all to hear.

The way I see it, his girlfriend took advantage of her archivist role and recorded what she knew would be damaging to him if it were "leaked" somehow. Interesting that she denied that it was she who leaked it. If she wanted to ruin him and extract revenge while confirming for all that he is a racist scumbag, she sure got her wish.

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I agree, wrong is wrong, no matter who is doing it. But like Charles Barkley said, when the person who is doing wrong is in a position of power where they can influence a lot of things, then it's even worse.

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I always say, if you record, then you are basically making it available to the public. Whether it is a sex tape or whatever, any recording will find its way to the public.

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The OP's general message is somewhat valid imo. Let's pretend if we (public) reacted to his comments and views differently. We listen to it, we express our discontent, and we ask him to change it. When I was younger, kids in schools would make fun of my ethnic name. They made songs from it to laugh at it. Did I boycott by not going to school? No. I did not miss a day. After being the smartest kid in class, the person making fun of me before now respected me. He asked for answers and I would give it to him. The Black Americans in this country need to understand that their efforts to end racism is not effective. For every person you push back, 10 more are saying holding that person up silently. Imagine getting a new swing because your current one is not helping your game. End it with education, openness, and your wallet. I agree with TooHip's message in his post days ago. Your color is not the problem, it is the culture. Focus on being educated, having more realistic goals, change the lifestyle that has slowed you down all these years, and look up to real leaders not Al Sharpton. You think he wants to end racism so he can be out of a job or fundings? Does a DUI attorney want less consumption of alcohol?

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What's wrong with Al Sharpton?

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I didn't say what Sterling said was a crime, in fact I said it wasn't. But his remarks were very damaging- just look at what happened to the Clippers after word got out. Sponsors dropped like flies, players thought about boycotting, and images were tarnished, if only were a brief few days.

Of course you're allowed to make a "mistake"- in this case though it was not one, it was speaking from what was in one's belief vs something that was spoken in error. But as I posted before, Sterling had golden opportunities to come out with a press conference, apologize to everyone he has hurt with those remarks, etc. He didn't do it, which to me was surprising, but perhaps no so much if his racist belief was so ingrained.

If by mistake you mean being associated with that woman who recorded the phone conversation, then yeah he has to own up to that. He chose to associate to her, and that's could be happens sometimes when you be friends with shady characters.

He has donated money in the past, and was honored by the NAACP before. But as you can see that is not nearly enough to cover up for his remarks if you look at the consequences he has received.

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I can't post any websites so look him up.

If you associate yourself with racist, you more than likely will be too, i.e. DTS. If you associate yourself with quality people, they will rub off on you.

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OP google 'Sterling housing discrimination' and then tell me he is some misunderstood philanthropist.

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so what? we seen crimes from minority to minority. Have you done anything about it to stop it?
this thread isn't about my involvement. you opened a can of spoiled nonsense and, if anything, need to realize how demeaning your generalizations were. We have every holiday we can think of, we can make fun of "white" people without getting punished, yet One Human that was able to be a very successful person in this planet, expresses he's word in a private conversation to he's girlfriend, and the conversations got leak to "TMZ" and goes public. What do we have? A bunch of cry....

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I'm just putting this out here: In all this maelstrom, it was said in the media that Donald purportedly knew he was being recorded. Before this tape was released, he supposedly has had his girlfriend act as his personal archivist to record his musings since, according to her, he would forget things. So freedom of speech or what not, Sterling meant for his views to be known in one way or another, whether for public consumption or not, it's now out there for all to hear. The way I see it, his girlfriend took advantage of her archivist role and recorded what....

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While I believe that Donald has every right to his opinion, and it was wrong of his girlfriend and TMZ to release the tapes, the damage done is irreparable. Silver had no choice but to swoop in with a swift and powerful judgement for the sake of the team and it's fans. Sterling should nail his girlfriend and TMZ to a cross, figuratively of course, for their actions, but should also sell the team and bow out of the public eye.

keephopealive
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qoute porlonk, my answers in red

I don't agree with what Donald Sterling said on those tapes but i wasn't really that offended. You got spoiled and entitled players running up into the stands knocking out fans, bringing loaded pistols into locker room, committing r***, granted it was alleged r*** but if you give kobe that, then the housing discrimination cases were settled out of court also. how is this connected to the DTS issue?

i think if someone was to have a mic secretly recording you then eventually you'll get caught saying something ridiculous in a private conversation outside of work also. Yes but at worst we would likely get caught at worst "playing around" I doubt many of us would be caught showing our "racist views" unless of course like mr sterling you are a racist. Yes what he said was foolish but i'm not really shocked or outraged. Donald Sterling is 81 years old, he comes from a era when the NBA stood for "No Blacks Allowed".so did Jerry buss What he said on the tapes were despicable but i don't think it was enough recourse to warrant a lifetime ban and force him to sell his own team he owns a team WITHIN the NBA. its not like he own a store on the corner and he is being forced to sell that. when you purchase a team WITHIN the NBA you are bound by the rules and to an extent the interpretation of others of those rules be it the commissioner,other owners or players. just because he got caught slipping saying some outlandish things in a private conversation that was illegally recorded. how do you know it was illegally recorded? there are reports he knew it was being recorded. Also if he didn't the point is that it no longer is private and it was not the NBA spying on him, the conversation became public and the NBA had to act because it was obvious how this man felt. That is the bigger issue, it is not what he said, its how he feels.

keephopealive
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The key here is that if someone were to record you or I and we said the same thing it wouldn't be as big a deal. This man is a person with a lot of power. He had and use that power to deny people housing and employment opportunities in the past. This is to be expected from a man that holds the views expressed in the recording. This goes beyond the outrage of the actual tape. A person with these views should not be allowed to own a team WITHIN the NBA. Is anybody taking away his ownership of other property? No. That is where your "they can't take his property" argument would work if that was the case.

A lot of people try and argue the opposite just to get attention and not go with crowd but you look like a real dummy when your argument can be picked apart so easily.

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