Open Letter To US Minorities and NBA for Horrible Decision! (P. 2)

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FightOnRon
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PS: about his generation deal. My late father was a bit older then DTS so of the same generation. They say you are a product of you environment. Never in my life had I heard my father ever make a racist comment and I was brought up to treat everyone the same. His general rule was if someone was older then you, you showed them the respect they deserve,and never call them by their first name ,no matter what they looked like (man or woman). Always address them properly. My late mother wassomewhere between DTS and my dad. My late father-in-law must have gone to school with DTS.

The point is, not everyone of DTS generation is bad and if my dad was he worked his mind out of it and he never brought me or my brother up that way.

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Another point: the NBA didn't invade his privacy. People make it seem like the NBA is spying on owners. IF you guys want to play that card the only one to blame is V.stiviano and at this point the "pravicy" argument is a mute point for that reason.

For those saying that everyone is so sensitive and making a big deal about this. This is why: This country once had slavery of african-americans followed by a period of segregation. This two periods in americas history are periods that no one is proud of, unless probably mr sterling. These periods lasted hundreds of years and african americans were oppressed for a very long time. A lot of people fought for these rights and a lot of people were killed because they felt that way. We live in a country where we are trying to move past race based superiority views (racism) so when stuff like this comes out it shows us we have a long way to go and that is sad, so yes people are justified in feeling outraged.

Some of you ignorant posters should educate yourself before posting.

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I'll admit, I honestly didn't think this sterling situation was nearly as bad as things he's done in the past. It was just Silver waiting for a small slip up (or organizing a small slip up), started up a social media uproar (things taken out of context, like saying Sterling didn't want any black people at his games), and got him out. Stern never did anything, so Silver was just waiting for the opportunity. As much as they say it isn't, this was for his previous remarks and actions years ago, that were actually racist.

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DTS gave up his FOS and privacy when he became an owner of an NBA franchise. He gave it up for money and fame. He has to abide by the franchise constitution. When he breaches it, the NBA has to act on it accordingly to its best interest. Regarding his privacy, that is his problem not the NBA. He was stupid enough to not keep his views under control and private.

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I don't think it was by far the worst thing he has ever done either because it was words vs some really shi**y actions he has taken in his slumlord business,but it was the one thing the NBA could finally use to get rid of a problem they couldn't remove up to this point. But when fans and players and sponsors band together, they had what they finally needed (that and no Stern to ignore it).

But maybe I heard the tape wrong, I heard him tell the bimbo for her not to associate with African-Americans at the games and to not bring them to the games,I didn't hear the part where he wanted no African-Americans going to his games. OF course, I haven't heard the entire thing anyway,what I did hear really shook me up to the point I could barely function for 4 days until yesterday afternoon.

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qoute porlonk, my answers in red
So are you going to say Muhammad Ali should be condemned for saying remarks that fall directly in line with Sterling? youtube.com/watch?v=YTeudEWOL4w Here's a interesting article I read earlier today. Finally a sports writer with some common sense and doesn't hastily give into mob rule just to appease the public. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857268/removing-donald-sterling-la -clippers-owner-fix-our-culture It's ironic because I remember that writer Jason Whitlock causing an uproar a few years ago when he posted a racist tweet involving Jeremy Lin. I know a lot of asians were butthurt over it but me personally, i can recognize facetious humor and i'm not the....

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I wish people would get one thing straight: "freedom of speech" protects you from the government jailing you for your speech (with some very specific exceptions, like felony threats.) It DOES NOT protect you from the consequences of your speech. It is that clear and simple.

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So here is my reverse argument to you,keeping in mind I would never ever defend Sterling because this was long time coming for past crimes. But...........

Supposedly the bimbo was "hired" to record his thoughts and what have you because his memory ain't what it used to be. THis sounds, what little I could stomach, like she is basically interviewing him (and setting him up for the answers she knows he will eventually spill out). In private this would 1st amendment rights, if it were between 2 people

just talking. I would ask, where was this recording made. Was she asked to record this particular interview (this could have been 2 hours long and she worked up to the bad parts we have heard, I admit much of it sounds like a setup), not record it in secret.

But here is the kicker, what about the purported 3rd party that was in the room. Based on the environment from where and when this was recorded, adding a 3rd party makes it not private any longer. That had to be what the NBA figured out over the weekend. IMHO

what I wonder, I have an inquiring mind, is if she ,the bimbo, didn't the release recording, must it have been released by this 3rd party, and who is this 3rd party?

If I were writing a novel, this 3rd party would turn out to be her defense lawyer in the case of Mrs Shelly vs the bimbo.

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Yep, seems like people aren't listening or won't read. Again, here are 2 good articles on just that:

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/articles/f ... t-sterling

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2014/ ... story.html

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It's like when Al Capone finally got caught for tax evasion. This incident was simply the easiest for the league to act on, the easiest for them to prove (since it was his recorded voice), and the tip of the iceberg.

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So are you going to say Muhammad Ali should be condemned for saying remarks that fall directly in line with Sterling? youtube.com/watch?v=YTeudEWOL4w SURE, DOESNT CHANGE HOW I FEEL ABOUT DTS AND MAKES YOU ARGUMENT NO BETTER, TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT Here's a interesting article I read earlier today. Finally a sports writer with some common sense and doesn't hastily give into mob rule just to appease the public. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857268/removing-donald-sterling-la -clippers-owner-fix-our-culture It's ironic because I remember that writer Jason Whitlock causing an uproar a few years ago when he posted a racist tweet involving Jeremy Lin. I know a lot of asians....

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keephopealive
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I'm still waiting for the OP to come back and explain wtf "freedom of rights" are.

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He should have been kicked out of the league for his rental discrimination case. I think it's a bit silly he's being banned for his private words rather than his actual racist deeds, but he's had it coming for a long time either way; but it also makes sense because this incident was going to cost the league a lot of money while the others did not and in the end it comes down to money. The league and the franchise are both better off with him gone, both morally and financially.

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"Nobody I know likes Donald Sterling. I don't even know if he has a friend." LARRY KING on Colin Cowherd, AM710 ESPN.

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There are two constitutions. the NBA and U.S. The U.S. supercedes all.

Adam Sliver did everything he can within the NBA Bylaws.

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Hoping to be a decent human being, I try to keep an opened mind. The truth comes out when someone trusts you to tell you how they really feel. For example, I have many friends in the retail service industry such as nails and restaurants. When they speak candidly to me, they will admit that Blacks are the worse tipper. No matter if they are in the lower or upper side of town. I did not believe them at first but after years of asking and researching, I found out this is very common. Now will they treat these customers differently when they come in the shop or restaurant? No. They still have to give them the service they pay for in fear of obvious repercussions. Knowing the likelihood the tip will not be up to the norm but they do the right thing to keep their customers happy. DTS in his line of work as a landlord base on his experience may think he's Smile views are right however, he can not treat them differently. He will hurt his bottom line if he does. Now, I truly believe he understand for the last 4 years. His business approach to the Clippers before was that it is just a business and the players are his employees. Since then, his players are not employees anymore but are "cash cows". They will bring in more revenue if you pay them more. Better return on investment if he invest more in them. His activities in business does not reflect his views and it pays off handsomely. I think DTS private views and activities meshed with his business was very unfortunate for him but a stroke of luck for all us fans.

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The NAACP likes Donald sterling, he is was getting his second lifetime achievement award.

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Back to business ethics.

He does not have a right to privacy for this unless maybe the speech was copyrighted (Not a joke) Never say anything or write anything on a computer or say anything on a cell that you don't want on the evening news. It's all fair game. Hopefully trusted loved ones won't pork you but they have the right. I only heard 9 min but does he deserve to be banned? NO. He should have been given the ability to reply and if necessary make apologies. Remember Don Imus? Is getting railroaded? YES

BUT to quote the Godfather "It's business, nothing personal" This for me has absolutely nothing to do with ethics. If DTS had a chance to destroy a rival by "coercion" like this would he do it? YES These are his rules. My goal is to get rid of him fairly or not. If he were a fair man I'd deal with him fairly. Different rules. I'm not saying I'm moral or right by being fair that's just my own personal moral code and I don't and don't have the right to expect anybody else to follow it. It's a free country. You can think whatever you want just don't do it. I don't care if my adversary is nice, disgusting moral of immoral. I only care that he loses or that we compromise. What I do is governed by MY OWN moral code.

My problem is as Cuban said this is a slippery slope. Do we fire an owner because he sings the lyrics to an obscene rap song most of which are misogynistic, violent, homophobic and use non PC racial terms.? Where do we draw the line. Where does damages begin and Political Correctness end? Does it end with race? How about "I don't agree with murder but Americans got what they deserved in that terrorist attack" This is protected by Freedom of Speech but stupid

If the league is able to make a scrap book of his past deeds and present this as the straw that broke the camel's back GREAT. His past racist comments were all public

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It's called MONEY. They got paid he got his fig leaf. It's called business. Jessee Jackson will go anywhere and do anything that doesn't affect his persona if he gets paid. Michael Jackson's Spiritual Adviser? M Jackson was a Jehovah's Witness (I think). J Jackson is a Baptist (i think) It wouldn't surprise me if he got high six figures. Jessee J comes to mind because he was at the game. Remember, the NAACP is all but irrelevant now and has little influence and probably few donors. A deal with the devil. Remember the discussion about working for racists. THEY KNEW

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If you ever picked up an LA Times you would think by all the stuff this guys does he is the greatest philanthropist in the world. Running all these ads about the greatness of Sterling charities. Maybe he did give a lot back, but at what cost really. Like was was trying to do penance with the checkbook.

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You do understand that he got a LA chapter of the NAACP award not the national. Jesse jackson had nothing to do with Sterling you are grasping at straws.

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I understand that. Please read my post.The NAACP took some grease from Sterling. He bought the award. It doesn't matter whether it was local or national. He bought it. Jessee J took grease from Michael J and whoever else pays him. His services are for sale (pun intended?) Both are hypocrites. That is the only comparison I made. Anything else you inferred.

This is the way of the world. That's why our Congress is screwed up, Palm Grease. Ali's first championship. The NBA, remember The Fix? Nixon, Kennedy, Johnson. The Catholic Church. The Ford Foundation contributed to the Back Panthers. You don't remember Payola in the music business but guys like M J buy their hits. Drop a grand on a DJ - that was the price in the 80's and MJ gets his song in heavy rotation. Do this to every boss jock in a major market.They would have been hits anyway but it probably generated a couple of mill. The list goes on. How did Mick Jagger become a knight of the Realm? He bought it. Throw sex in the mix and you have the full picture.

To quote Deep Throat of Watergate fame. "follow the cash"

Oops I forgot the October Surprise. Regan paid off the Iranians not to return the hostages so Carter would lose. This was thought to be a fairy tale until someone asked him in an interview. He didn't answer but the room became as cold as a deep freeze. It happened

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Just like flopping. Not really flopping until you get caught. Everybody does it. Some more than others.

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@OP,

So as a Mexican, have you ever been discriminated against? How did it make you feel? If you have a boss like Sterling that had the same racist views towards Mexicans, would you be ok with it? Would you feel compelled to do a good job at work?

I have to admit, your claims are questionable to me as I don't understand why you are so outraged. The reasons you try to express are not based on any facts. The guy asked to be taped and put his honest feelings on the line. While I respect his candor, I despise his views and his demonstrated character. The NBA is better off with him out. And the longer he owns the Clippers, the worse it is for Clippers fans and the NBA in general.

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I kind of agree with the OP in the sense that we all have our own racist opinions and views that we don't tell the world. This was a private conservation and the guy is an 80 year old, senile man. So what he saids might not be actually means. I mean he is obviously a racist and has racist views but does that warrant him losing his own business that he purchased with his own money?

But in the end, this is about MONEY and POWER. If some idiot off the streets started making racist comments, no one would care because he can't impact your life. He has no power over you. But the more money and power you have, the more influence and impact you have on other people. And that's why Sterling lost the franchise because he is a rich and powerful man. How he feels about blacks directly impacts the lives of his black employees. So this wasn't about race, it was more about money/power.

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