Clippers vs Thunder Playoffs Gm. #3 Game Thread 2014-05-09 (P. 13)

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lobcityhawaii
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True, if JJ showed up on offense. But our defense is the bigger problem. Okc scored too much. And out rebounded us by 11.

Heediot
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Crawford needs to have better self awareness and realize he should be more of a play-maker in drawing the defense when his shot is off. Our team would be so much better offensively. We were pretty good on that end, but didn't do well when it mattered most tonight.

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I believe we can and will game 4. But it will be hard to steal game 5 or 7 in okc unless cp3 or someone else has a monster game like how cp3 had in game 1. The unfair refs are extremely tough to overcome on the road.

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We got a lot of weak calls, people just have tunnel vision, cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.

There were points where the refs stalled our momentum, but they did that to OKC as well. I don't know what the agenda is, spreads or favoritism but I have been skeptical of nba reffing for a while. I don't bet on nba games, it's too iffy.

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I saw a few really promising plays where the Clips played amazing D for 23 seconds, only for Durant to hit a contested jumper... can't hang your head after a play like that and make it easy for them next time down. I hope Doc gives some attention to the positives in the film session, as well as the negatives.

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Doc has been getting outcoached this series which is sad.

Agent0
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Two bad games,in a row,by Jamal has kind of hurt the team, especially since Collison is a no show and J.J. Wasn't on tonight, but we're relying on offense WAYYY too much, need to figure something out on defense.

#1 Dudley never guards Durant again

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Kind of applies to the whole team. Lots of iso-ball. The movement and passing from game 1 hasn't been there since.

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I'm not blaming refs on this one, we were just out-clutched. They had the benefit in the first half, we had more in the 2nd.

Yeah there are games that are way more one sided (even for us, if people are open minded) but this is not one of them. I cal it like I see it.

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I wish I could go out there and make an attempt to play defense, unlike half the dudes out there.

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its amazing really DJ tried everything to help whenever he could. He missed on some offensive boards but he got them back on the other end. How do you f***** let Ibaka get so many open jumpers when ESPN Clear as day replays show Griffin ball watching. He even let Caron get going not respecting his shot. Doc killed us the most though ride your damn horses in the 4th. He gave OKC all the confidence back. Horrible rotations.
apparently Doc is fine with Ibaka taking those shots. Its either he's lying and he didn't have a fix for that....

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The problem, which needs to be addressed now or next year is defense, defense and more defense. Plus rebounding, rebounding and more rebounding. Changes will and must be made. Hopefully it's sooner then later.

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To be honest, Doc just doesn't have the roster for this team. We were delusional to think that we were beating OKC without a legit small forward and backup bigs.

And before you Vinny lovers chime in, VDN had a far better bench and arguably better defensive personnel and did even less with it.

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This is not over people. I still think we can win this series in 6 or 7 games. Everyone always acts like winning game 7 on the road is impossible. Well the Clippers did that in Memphis two seasons ago when we had a worse team. Plus I remember our game 7 against GSW being close til the end. If we had made a few mistakes, we could've lost that game. Game 7s on the road are possible to win. We've won on their court and vise versa. Home court isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

I know this was a TOUGH loss, but this is far from over.

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Yea, the bad calls balanced out. Really you can narrate the effect of certain calls on the flow of the game in hindsight, but that's just not really accurate. The calls were fine, they just played better. We didn't get key stops, Jamal was way too far in contesting Westbrook's late three point shot, it's just what it is.

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I think we'll take game 4. This game proves that CP needs to make his shots in the 4th. He played well for three quarters, but has to stop being so passive late in games. Blake was fantastic, and look for Brooks to double team him on Sunday. But our defense has been atrocious at times. Need to get that shored up or we aren't winning this series.

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That Memphis team was far worse than this OKC team.

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I agree. I'd actually be pretty confident for a game 7... house money.

We just have to GET to game 7 first.

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Poor defensive effort tonight. Too many lapses where effort on defence was absent.

Oh well. We will win game 4 to tie it up 2-2.

Positive is that Blake woke up but i feel that DJ needs to contest the KD/WB drives more. Its like he is scared of getting posterised. **** it, its the play offs. Theres no room for being soft.

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Well, I still think we're a better team than OKC. Game 7s on the aren't impossible to win, was my point. It's been done before. I think I've heard that about 80% of the time, the home team wins. As long as there's one % chance left, I'm not giving up.

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We have the potential to be better, but they are more consistent. This team lacks consistency and focus, it has been an issue since the VDN days. It's slowly improving under Doc.

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True don't give up yet! Let's make this series a best of 3!

Ibaka was 9/10 shooting and Caron hot huge 3's in the 4th. That has to stop. Hard to stop Durant and Westbrook but it's the others.

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JQuick, I would think that you more than anyone would have some hope after seeing their team be down in a series. If your Kings can come back from 3-0, I have more than enough confidence that this Clippers team can recover from 2-1.

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Durant plays 46 minutes. I hope he wears out and his shooting falters cause if it.

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I think he's bound to wear out eventually. He's built like a twig. Barnes' job should be to wear him down relentlessly.

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Yeah, I agree, but just once I would like to see a well called game, instead of having to judge which calls have more importance and if they really "balance out." I guess I'm just asking too much of the refs.

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Doc as GM should be at fault then because there were deals asked for the notable Reggie for Tyler Zeller. I'm a Reggie fan but your not going to play him even now with other SFs been struggling should of dealt him. He knew he couldn't play Hollins get another long big and hope for the best.

Playing Davis and Griffin together against an athletic attacking team is bad coaching.

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Just unexpected bad tonight. At one point Ibaka was 7/7 from the field. Then Butler hit some 3s and they just weren't missing. Idk how often that will happen. And our bench was playing bad. Just wrong timing for everything.

This series is definitely still winnable, if Blake plays consistently just like how he did tonight and out bench actually shows up we can potentially sweep the rest of the series. NOTHING is impossible.

Last year we were up 2-0 and lost the next 4 in a row. Regardless of who's playing, or what team is facing what, anything is possible and the Clippers are good enough to do so. All we can hope for is that our team just starts locking and defending better! Second chance points for OKC will kill us. Clippers in 6 or 7 still. I'm not gonna stop believing.

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When your dealing with human beings doing the reffing that's what you'll get. Maybe some day if they ever go to electronic ref's then things will "balance" out. wink

JQuick32
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I'm the type of fan who needs to be shown it first before I buy in. The Kings have proven it in the playoffs enough for me to completely 100% trust in them no matter what. The Clippers have always either collapsed or been totally uncompetitive at some point in the playoffs and have never been past the second round, so it's a lot harder for me to buy in.

Additionally, it's a lot easier for series to turn on a dime in hockey when it's so low-scoring and goalies can play a huge role in the outcome of games.

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OKC is such a physical team. It's almost like holding in football where you could call it on every play. The refs always start off calling them for fouls but let it go as the game goes on. It starts with Westbrook and Perkins. They just beat you up. Their physicality really shows up in their rebounding. They push guys out of the way and out rebound teams by double digits. If they shoot decent and don't turn over the ball, they win. After game 1, Brooks said he wanted LA to feel them...they've done that the last 2 games

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If we can win game 4, the pressure is on okc to win game 5 or they could lose the series in game 6 in LA. We lost game 1 at home against gsw and won game 2 and 3. Let's win game 4 and 5!

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Yes this is the point. Kings have a playoff gear and get in The zone. We are bipolar

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What I don't get is why the Clippers didn't try to go to the line after OKC got their 5th team foul. Not only that but I think Ibaka had 5 fouls too. In that situation you have to go to the hoop and at the least force a foul. I don't think the Clippers did that once after they were in the penalty. That's something Doc needs to preach them about. Be aggressive when they are in the penalty. Simply don't understand it.

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^great point. We should have taken advantage of okc being in the penalty.

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Doc really hasn't impressed me this series. His rotations are horrible, the defensive strategy sucks. We need a better wing to advance.

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CP usually knows that and I believe I read on twitter that he asked how many fouls Ibaka had (which was 4) then the next play he got the 5th on him. but after that, they didn't get anymore fouls. They went to Blake and Ibaka let him score, they should have kept going to Blake to foul Ibaka out.

I don't like the 3s that Jamal takes. I just cannot understand why he has this unlimited green light where he gets the ball and can do whatever he wants. Why is CP giving up the ball when he and jamal on in together? Why isn't the play for CP to set up an open shot for Jamal? It's like everybody just stops and watches Jamal instead of running a play.

The open lane to Jackson so many times was inexcusable. Collison can't stay in front of Butler. I'm so disappointed in him this series.

Sunday is do or die. No its not elimination game, but if you think it will be easy to be down 3-1 going to OKC, I want what you are smoking.

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8-0 run when Dudley came in

ClippersDA
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Why is rivers playing him? That is the single worst decision he has made and it's really inexcusable

ClippersDA
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Beyond offensive and irritating when he does this down stretch. He's the most frustrating player. And doc should know better. Those were all awful shots

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Some random thing. I just saw aaron Gordon today at SB, it was the most random thing ever haha he's not as tall as he is listed

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After two margaritas and a half pint on cognac here's why we lost

  1. JJ couldn't get free even after running off multiple screens. Was that Sefalosha? That made our option Barnes in the corner. If JJ could have gotten free we would have killed them. He can't create his own shot. Why can't Granger show up.

2 Caron Butler. He's streaky but he lit us up. He won the game for OKC. The officiating wasn't that bad. We never closed him out. We should know that when he's hot 15 pts is not unheard of

3 I think BG has Ibaka's measure.

4 We missed bunny layups. Doc tried to attack the paint early but you have to hit them. A far as rebounds, they are bigger or more athletic at SF, SG and PG. Do we start Jamal because he can create? We can't have Barnes as our #1 perimeter player. If Willie could defend I'd start him BUT If our wishes were fishes we'd all eat sushi

BTW DJ hit maybe 70% of his jumpers in shootaround.

Sacrilege. Should we start Dudley? I know Durant will kill him but we can't let Matt be our offensive option. Doc can't let this happen again or ---. There's still one shot of Remy left.

We played harder -- Caron Butler. Doc it's on you

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here was i thinking if blake puts in a big one its an automatic W, i guess OKC has our number

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pretty much nailed it on the end, those 2 positions is where we are at the greatest disadvantage against this OKC team, granger had the resume to fill that SF role but when matt went on fire that kept granger on the bench and he is been rotting there since

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^Remember the injury. Also if Granger would stop fouling


CP is shooting 61% FG and 60% 3PT in the series while averaging 23.3 / 3.0 / 12.3 / .738 TS%

Westbrook is shooting 58% FG, 50% 3PT and averaging 27.7 / 7.3 / 9.0 / .690 TS%, what kind of defense?

We'll talk about all we didn't do on offense, some people will think the refs caused the loss, but OKC shot 56% FG and as a team had a TS% of 64.6%. Lol, we were in the game because we didn't turn the ball over because we certainly did not shoot that well. Doc needsto figure out a way to defend at least one thing effectively, we're currently giving them everything on offense

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Unfortunately it's hard to stop those guys. We let Ibaka and Butler hurt us. If it hadn't been the usual clusterf*ck at the end they would have had maybe 115. Crappy D sure but who can guard Westbrook or Durant. Maybe we should try to slow Westbrook and shut down other guys like they did with JJ. They don't really have a lot of offensive weapons usually. You can't stop Durant. I hoped Doc would give him a diet of Granger and Matt but Granger is Hollins' evil twin. even though Durant is taller than Danny is Durant strong enough to stop him? He was actually hitting in shoot around. Actually DJ was shooting better.

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I am traveling in Boston so didn't get to watch the game, but looking at the box score we got killed in rebounding again and obviously our defense was poor. We need to go back to the fundamentals, the first game kind of set us up for pain since we won it by destroying them via 3pt shooting. It seems like if we don't make a good % of our first ten 3pt shots we shouldn't be shooting too many. Championship teams play good defense and rebound and don't live or did by the 3. 3 point shooting can be helpful but it doesn't win championships but when it's not falling can definitely keep you from getting far.

Hoping the team goes back to fundamentals and decides to lock down on Westbrook. We have when Durant plays well before but usually not when both do. Why not throw bullock in the mix to defend west pork or Durant? He did pretty well on them before and he secures boards. Willie green might help too. Redick looks like he contributes nothing but shooting and when that isn't falling he is worthless.

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I think in certain series that would be true (like against GSW). This series we need CP to put up big numbers to win as an aggressive CP just opens up our entire offense. And I'm tired of seeing everyone stand around watching Jamal ISO at the end of fourth quarters. CP missed some shots late in the game but I expect him to make those on Sunday. Not taking anything away from Blake's performance as he was incredible last night.

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Uh, it was Doc who created the roster. LOL!

So much so, he actually got into it with DTS to bring in Redick. He also traded away the bench for guys like Dudley, Mullens, and Jamison. Dude, please stop!

What better bench? Doc took out Barnes and inserted him as a starter. He traded away Bledsoe. That was basically VDN's bench. Turiaf? Odom? They made the difference in the bench VDN had?

Sorry, you're delusional if you think we had better bigs and better small forwards last season. You can also blame Doc for this roster cause he created it.

Oh, it was also VDN who wanted to trade Butler for Ariza mid-season if you remember. Sterling vetoed that one too. Imagine if VDN had his way? We already know what happens when Doc has his way.

Please just stop the nonsensical drama.

oh, here is the GREAT and better bench VDN had:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2013.html

Oh, and Doc with a better defensive mind can't get his players or bench to play when it counts. Doc hasn't been able to get the second unit to play defense.

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In 3 games OKC is +43 on the boards. OUCH. I think they should start Jamal and get DJ more involved in the offense. Blake needs to really step it up and I don't mean just scoring wise. He needs to turn it up a notch on the glass. Our bench had been invisible. Granger has stunk it up. Hope they don't re-sign him.

Kevin Durant is going to get his. Nothing you can do about that. But you can trap RW up top and double him when he decides to post up. Game 4 will be tough

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