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FightOnRon
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Plus the refs only saw an overhead view and say it was inconclusive so they went with the wrong call. Had they used the replay that we all saw across America they would have made the correct call. Funny they only got to see one "inconclusive angle",wonder who controlled the replay,cough cough,OKC replay clones?

Come up with all the BS rules you want,the refs blew it in your favor.

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Not to mention 20 FTs vs 36. Clippers lead in every category but FT shots. But,it's not suspect at all because we were sloppy for 3 minutes. BS.

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All we did was shoot jumpers. We didn't attack the cup

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Paul was suppose to get fouled it was the whole point but he was suppose to hold the ball and take it. Chris knew and any NBA fan would of known not to try a heave a shot to get a call. He said it post game he should of just taken a foul. This part is not even up for debate Westbrook baited Paul but all Paul had to do was wait for the foul. If the clock for 8 seconds runs near call timeout. The is no reasonable explanation for trying to forces shot in that situation.

Poor execution is not getting the best out of possessions. We played not to lose after Paul made the jumper. There is a line between milking a clock and still being aggressive to get the best shot possible. Not only did we force up very late shots we became.e Paul and Crawford pounding the ball and clock out with no ball movement. Not even ggoing to start on the defensive breakdowns and supposedly not fouling when Doc wanted.

Wait you are telling me you didn't see Paul hit him on the elbow? We have gotten Crawford to the line for less you just have to know better. That foul itself would of made the blown call a non factor because we would of had a rebound AND killed more clock time. Three possession game under a minute is a huge advantage there has to be a multiple things going wrong to lose.

Its not even like OKC went to the line each time during the run.

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I do recall a few years ago a basketball referee admitted to fixing the games based on his calls. He was paid. I believe most refs call the plays as they see them, some accurate some inaccuate. Remember there are a few dishonest people in all areas of sports, entertainment, politics, and life in general.

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Think it was even more to the fact we finished plays when fouled atracking. Blake and everyone else had a bunch of and 1 plays when you only get one shot. If we miss on those plays its closer even on the Jamal ones. Late game we took clock killer jumpers.

It was a critical 3 mins because it was the last 3 mins.

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Paul tried to on the last possession, but Jackson is allowed to grab the offensive players arm because (wait a second, I'm looking for the NBA rule that justifies this one...)

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Did you review the drive of Paul and Jackson slap his arms with the clock still ticking and the ref swallow his whistle? that was more than a foul compared to Westbrook 3 point attempt that did not even hit the rim. You should thank to the referee for an early Christmas gift, Anyway they have to win first one more game before they can face the Spurs. it's not Westbrook or Durant who make OKC win, it was the referee who save them.

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You say he should of just taken a foul, he did. He dribbled, he got fouled...they didn't call it. What more do you want?

Do you think if he stopped and held the ball, the refs would have called the foul? That would be "putting the game in the refs hands" as many posters have said we should never do.

People need to stop fighting this so bad, we - got - robbed. Referees did either an atrocious job, or a very unethical thing by fixing the game, either one is bad, and either one amounts to us getting jobbed.

You got Doc up there, top 3 most respected coach in the league, screaming that we got jobbed. I think there's a good case that we got jobbed.

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People admitted Blake was holding up Thabo on a illegal screen so if that happens before Paul even makes a move Paul should of never had a shot regardless. See how that crap works both ways.

Looking at replay fans shouldn't complain at all about the last play because Blake was holding and pushing thabo.

If Paul takes his first open look and made it and it was waved off because of Blake people would of been complaining why call that this late

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dude,

take your emotions out of it and go look at the play again. jackson has BOTH hands on the ball when barnes hit his hand. his left hand was not up in the air when it gets hit, it's ON THE BALL. besides that, all paul had to do was hold the ball and take the foul, but he didn't. furthermore, all paul had to do after that was go straight up and not foul Wes but he did. he did the same thing and got away with it against golden state when he fouled curry on the last second shot, only difference was it was called this time. and that was a blatant foul that did not get called. you still got the ball after that, in the bonus with 6 seconds. all he had to do was drive to the basket and get a foul called on him, but he turned the ball over. you could see the indecision in his eyes. your team made bad decisions after bad decisions. you lost the game. you guys threw the game away, just like we threw the previous game away. stop acting like the refs stole the game, your team and bad decisions GAVE THE GAME AWAY.

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Yes!

He should of sat and held the ball because they would of needed to wrap him up to get a foul because they had not time. I'm watching the replay on YouTube right now Paul didn't even wait once he got the ball he pushed it saw Westbrook coming and TRIED to shoot and draw a foul. There was no point. The Westbrook reach in didn't even look like a foul and a play Paul gets away with it. The reach would of probably even still been called if he didn't leave his feet trying to bait the refs.

Paul didn't even use two seconds in the backcourt all he had to do is get the ball passed and wait. Yeah you got Doc on the refs yet the player himself Chris knows it shouldn't even come to that and took blame.

How the hell can Paul take responsibility but the fan base can't is amazing.

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There is also a huge difference between giving the game to the refs when the blown Reggie Jackson play and Paul trying to draw a half court foul. Paul gets past half court we want them to foul us and OKC NEEDS to foul us. They could not have played out the possession .

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And it isn't at all mysterious that the OKC team has never lost a game reffed by Tony Brothers,I am sure it is coincidence.

Look , the refs have always had it in for the CLips. We know we have to beat 7 or 8 every game so we have to play flawless in order to win, especially against the chosen teams. In the past we never had the fire power to outplay the refs...now we do. But we were not flawless and got sloppy in the last 4 minutes. But the point is,OKC still got 2 fake chances to win that we couldn't do anything about because we were flawless for those two phony calls. The inbound was sloppy but there was a 3rd non-real call that was really worse the the fake Westbrook call, a call the refs didn't make. So 3 strikes and we were out. We couldn't play well enough to beat the OKC8 last night in the stretch.

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How can the coach blame the refs but the fan base can't is amazing Wink

You use words like "probably" about the refs calling a foul if Paul held onto the ball. The game is in the referees hands because they have to call the foul, and I have no reason, no reason at all to think that they would make the right call.

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They needed to foul us and they did.

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Why can't it be both CP3 and the refs' fault?

For the so-called "smartest player in the game," CP3 is incredibly dumb sometimes. And for $107 million, his performance down the stretch wasn't anywhere near good enough. Regardless of the refs, he was so bad so suddenly that I was starting to wonder if he was point-shaving.

The only other player who gets this many passes when he chokes is, ironically, Kevin Durant.

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I figure Doc wouldn't throw CP3 under the bus after an emotional and heart breaking. It was a horrible call but CP looked like he wanted to cry during the press conference why would doc air him out. Watch the nba .com replay and a clear level of disappointment is on docs face after CP3 tried the half court shot.

My man if Paul gets the ball passed half court and sits on it and okc tries to foul and no call WE WIN. Think people are overlooking how big of a mistake that was by Paul reason I was so emotional about it.Paul gets pass half court with no shot clock they MUST foul. If the refs don't call it time expires and we win and if the foul is called as both teams want Chris Paul at the very least has to make one freethrow to put us up three and both to seal it.

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you forget that Chris misses at least 1 of the 2 clutch free throws. It would have been a 3 point game and the refs would have given OKC and and1 three-pointer.

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Paul tried to bait the refs with a freaking half court attempt and the Westbrook reach was far from a clear foul. Its basketball basics get the ball pass half court and hold it hunched over. They can't strip it and the only way to get the foul is to wrap him up tight.

Paul said it was a huge mistake to try and shoot a shot. We were up two there was not need for the risk of getting three free throws.

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Nice try, LKR4LFE. So you're an OKC fan now? You do realize I can see your IP address, right?

Banned... again. Don't bother coming back.

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Still, in the refs hands to make the call. You think they wouldn't call a jump ball if they tied him up? You think they would call a foul if Westbrook through him aside to get the ball? You're talking about guys that looked at VIDEO evidence and disregarded it to make the outcome they wanted.

Paul was fouled by Westbrook, one of numerous bad no-calls and calls in the final minute that doomed us.

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Could of got close and passed it to JJ. Another thing I noticed watching it now Westbrook was out of position going for the ball so Paul could of dribbled more time off as defenders tried to wrap him up.

Don't think the refs would of needed to force the issue giving a three point and one if we hit players on legs and elbows during shots. Then again up three Doc surely would of had them foul.

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Look the the replay was a horrible call but it doesn't happen if we sit on the ball.

I'll even play along on these massive what if scenarios.Say Chris is in position after getting past Westbrook to sit on the ball the clock is still running. So a player gets to Paul and has his hand on the ball all Paul has to do is shake the player off and delay the jump ball as much as he can. We have seen Paul snatch and rip the ball from bigger players so even if he picks up his dribble I doubt he gives a defender clear hands on the ball.

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This thread has been food for thought. Thank you, BaadMaster, for bringing this to light.

As a casual NBA fan prior to my emotional investment in the Clippers last December 2012, I had no idea about Tim Donaghy and the rigging scandal. In my naivete (and perhaps stupidity), I blindly believed that the refs would do right by the players and call the games fairly, squarely, and evenly. Man, have I been wrong so many times. I often dismissed claims made here that refs were rigging/fixing the games, were partial to such and such team, that OKC was the darling of the NBA and Durant was getting special calls. I understand now. I've seen it. I get what you guys have been saying all this time.

This season where I really paid attention to how the refs were officiating, I realized that there is indeed a high probability, no matter how the NBA league spins it, that Tim Donaghy's despicable actions may have been just the tip of the iceberg. Where's the transparency? The NBA doesn't want players and coaches to talk ill of the refs' poor officiating, yet they have done nothing substantial in the way of making us believe that it has changed. Memos after the fact admitting the refs' mistakes aren't good enough. Where's the accountability for the refs?

This game last night certainly adds fuel to this line of thinking that the NBA is fixed. I am enraged over it as many of you, Clippers fans, over this travesty. Doc was right. Clippers were robbed. Refs really wanted OKC to win and made damn sure to make calls to go their way.

I don't buy that mumbo jumbo that it was all CP's fault. Sure, he made some mistakes down the stretch, but that play where it was the Clippers' ball and the refs gave it to OKC was one of the deciding and blatant miscalls by the refs that cost the Clippers this very important game and perhaps this series.

Is the NBA fixed? Yes. I do believe it is. NBA = WWE

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even if it is fixed, last night wasn't an example of that. bad calls went both ways and the right call was actually made on the out of bounds play. doc should be ashamed of himself.

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Even the referees themselves aren't saying that. They just said they didn't get to view the replays everybody else did.

While the NBA can be fixed... stupidity can't.

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First off, I want to start by saying that I'm a life long clipper fan. When most of our fans were rooting for the Lakers back in our worst of times, I was one of the few at every single Clipper game decked out in red, white, and blue..... But we seriously need to stop sounding like scorned females, because it's giving us a really bad rap around the league as soft fans who have never had to deal with these sorta highs and lows. Bottom line, the right call was made on that out of bounds play, and Doc Rivers should be ashamed of himself for that terrible display of leadership during that post game conference. Don't believe me? read the rules: "If a player has his hand in contact with the ball and an opponent hits the hand causing the ball to go out-of-bounds, the team whose player had his hand on the ball will retain possession."...At the end of the day, we lost on our poor execution down the stretch and our CP3 choking in the biggest moments of his life. Furthermore, I don't remember Doc complaining at the end of Game 3 in round 1 when Steph Curry was clearly fouled with no whistle on that potential game winning three. Where was the outrage then, Clipper fans? Anyways, just thought I'd chime in and be the voice of reason in these lowest of times. Feel free to add!

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all they said was that it was inconclusive, but that doesn't mean anything, because they still got the call right. the rules state that if you hit a players hand causing the ball to go out, then it's off of you. hand is part of the ball. the rule is very clear...whether the refs used it in their defense or not, the right call was still made.

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Matt Barnes hitting Jackson's LEFT hand didn't "cause" the ball to go out, the ball hitting Jackson's RIGHT hand caused it to go out. This rule doesn't even apply. Plus, the referees didn't invoke it, so it would be irrelevant even if the rule applied.

Quit trolling.

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that's fine and all, but why did brothers not even bother to use that rule in his reasoning for the call?

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That right there is trolling. Banned.

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Thank you, Cleepers. Well done. Troll be gone.

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i knew they made you moderator for a reason!

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That's my main gripe. In Brothers' mind, "It's off Jackson technically, so by the rules it should go to the Clippers, buuuuuut...." Brothers intentionally missed the call, later to find out that he at least had a debatable reason to miss the call. That, to me, is fixing.

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I do wonder now how GSW did feel about the gut hit but everything balanced out. Such as this series will the better tram will win it. OKC choked and so did we move it on.

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Even though you've been banned, probably again, had the right been touched and had the left hand not pushed the ball out you are dead right. But,watch the left hand that pushes the ball out of bounds. Our ball,the end.

We almost all to a tee admit our team got sloppy, we won't admit the reffing was fair when one team gets double the FTs of another team. But had we not gotten sloppy this would not be happening. But we did and the refs did blow it. We were up by 2 and had to beat the refs in the last minute and did not.

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EXACTLY. Furthermore he was swiping in the opposite direction.

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If the NBA isn't fixed then the refs are just extremely stupid or blind.

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Well that of course is a distinct possibility. Jump in the minivan after a hard day at the Footlocker, then come out and pretend you know what you're doing.

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also the only call that could have been corrected was called wrong.

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Well, the second that could have been called correctly after video was not. There was also the fake breakaway foul that even the biased TNT announcers said something akin to "well, there is a new interpretation of the rule I have never seen". Oh and the biased TNT announcers had awarded the ball to us saying the video review would show it, and it didn't. Oh, and the biased TNT announcers said something about the Westbrook foul that wasn't a foul (shouldn't have been called or something like that).

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exactly! I only complain about the calls that are reviewable. I know its easy to miss calls in real time but with replay,that should never happen.

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Worst part is that the same situation was called differently in the last series. Both times call against us. Just wait,next game,the same "clear path" play will be ruled a common foul after replay review. I just know it.

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As one bank robber said, "Follow the money." In this case, millions and millions of dollars.

The NBA always needs a "face." With Kevin Durant they get:

No tattoos. At least no visible ones.

No "baby's mama."

No "bad boy."

No "ghetto slang...you hear what I'm saying."

No loud braggadocio.

And they get...

A great back story.

A loving mother.

A good community member.

A lights out shooter.

And telegenic good looks -- not like LeBron.

So what if you skew the results in KD's favor? When you need a new face of the League, stack the deck.

Looking at it from their point of view, and adding in that they don't want the Sterling thing to hang over the Finals like stale sausage, of course they are going to do everything in their power to fix these games.

I would not be surprised to see BG suspended for Game Seven for a phantom flagrant 2 tomorrow if we win.

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We all knew they were gonna get the calls. I just never thought it would be something with replay clearly showing one way and them calling it the other way. Usually it is with phantom fouls,which they also made. Or not call fouls,which they also were guilty of. You can't judge those cause those are subjective. You can always claim"I didn't see it". But with replay,and having the call made two weeks ago in reverse,it's mindboggling.

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There's more at stake, money-wise, now. The NBA REALLY wants KD to be the face of the NBA. And they would like to get rid of any residual Sterling garbage before the Finals. I think Shelley making her power grab has given the League fear that she will not go away until next season. The last thing they want is Shelley showing up at the Finals.

We are going to have to play lights out in Game Seven because the refs will do everything in their power to get KD to the Finals.

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Some good stuff on the game thread busting the refs and their lies but you know what,doesn't matter. No one is going to give us that last 17 seconds to replay. We can whine, moan bitch and threaten,...... no one is listening to us. Time to move on and crush them 2 times in a row.

Time to use last years catch phrase,TIME TO RISE

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Based on last year's results,let's use another phrase.

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The rule doesn't apply. barnes hit the ball hand and it went out of bounds on jackson's off-hand which makes that rule obsolete in this instance.

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